- Sep 25, 2016
- 1,252
- Boat Info
- 300 Sundancer 1994, trailered tri-axle LoadRite roller
- Engines
- Mercruiser 5.7 260HP Alpha One Gen II, twin
After several years of research this is going to be a long, fairly detailed, lead in to the whys and wherefores of my inverter installation. This not meant to be a tutorial but just some highlights and simple explanations. This is most definitely an experiment only time will tell how well it all works out.
Teaser:
I’m going to start with an overview of the risks, challenges and choices. I freely admit I picked solutions from many different very knowledgeable people Nigel Calder, Will Prowse, Peter Kennedy, Jeff Cote and others many on Club Sea Ray. By profession I am an “Integrator” I assemble solutions from commercially available components and that is what I did here.
In the marine market Lifepo4 lithium battery systems are still quite new. And there is no simple one size fits all “drop in” solution, regardless of what some battery venders say, nor even from many marine industry professionals. There are any number of designs that are neither “right” nor “wrong” just different. Each have pros, many have significant cons or risks.
My situation:
1994 300 Sundancer, never had a generator. I could add a generator at around $15k+/- not really cost effective for 28 year old boat. I could look at used or rebuilt generator at around $6k+/- but then life expectancy or unknown condition is a concern. I also need a complete system since the boat never had a generator so muffler, hoses, fittings, exhaust port, water inlet, etc. Then there are the additional concerns of Carbon Monoxide at anchor, risk running overnight.
Given this I chose to create an inverter system that is the equivalent of an AC generator since I feel I can do this for far less than the $6k.
First I will cover some of the issues with attempts to “drop in” a 12 volt LifePo4 battery.
1. LifePo4 batteries can absorb a significant amount of current during charging.
a. Pro this means you can charge quickly if you can provide enough power to the battery
b. Con NO standard marine alternator is designed for 100% output for more than MINUTES. So a 100A alternator will start to heat up after a few minutes at full output, as it does it will become less efficient dropping to 70% or less. Also if it runs hot enough long enough it will kill itself. ($)
c. Result, special alternators, regulators and charge controllers are required to keep the magic smoke inside direct charging LifePo4. ($ & Complex)
2. LifePo4 batteries are expensive and very unforgiving of “abuse”.
a. Require protection from extreme discharge currents, over charging, excessive float voltage, thermal damage, cell imbalance. These things are managed with a combination of the charging controller and a Battery Management System (BMS).
b. The BMS will protect the battery continuously but the final protection is an automatic battery disconnect. A sudden battery disconnect will cause a voltage spike that have been measured to 87 volts or more on a 12 volt system. This can easily damage electronics and is a known killer of standard alternators so again this requires special considerations.
c. LifePo4 batteries can provide high currents but there are limits. At 12 volts invertors and starters will draw very large currents a 4kw inverter can hit 350 amps. LifePo4 batteries have discharge rates that are usually referenced as “C”. So 1C is 1 x the Capacity of the cell, a 100A cell with a 1C continuous rate means you can safely pull 100 amps until it reaches low voltage cutoff. The same cell may have a maximum discharge rate of 3C or 300 amp in this case. This again is where a BMS will come in to enforce these limits. Exceed the continuous rate and it will be allowed up to the maximum duration specified for the battery at which point the BMS will disconnect the load to protect the battery.
3. Non-battery specific issues at 12 volt
a. As seen above a 4Kw inverter could pull up to 350 amps. This requires very large very short battery cables to prevent cable overheating and excessive voltage drop to an inverter. This would require 3/0 AWG cables for 4 feet (x2), that’s a lot of copper.
b. Similarly charging at 12 volt from a 200A alternator would require 2 AWG cables at 10 feet (x2) still some very heavy wiring.
c. All these cables require short circuit protection and manual disconnect switches, at these high currents such switches, fuse holders and T type fuses get expensive.
Ok so how will I avoid those complexities or reduce the number of them?
In my specific use case I feel the modifications necessary to the existing 12 volt systems is too broad to deal with. 12 volt is a carryover from automotive designs. Doing everything at 12 volt just because it’s common has too many challenges. Many charging components would need replacing or modification to cover all the possible issues adequately. It can be done, if designed with a new boat it may even be practical, but not as a conversion. You just have to throw away too many perfectly useful components and replace them with ones costing four times as much.
Existing Systems:
Twin 5.7 260HP Mercruiser I/O Alpha I Gen2 drives. Both engines have a basic 60A marine alternator. Both have a FLA marine starting battery not deep cycle; simple, reliable and cheap.
Starboard engine battery powers the engine and primary bilge pumps and the anchor windlass. The windlass is a very large short duration motor load similar to a starter. Since the windlass is never used without the engines running there is no great advantage having it on the house bank. A Blue Seas ACR currently charges the house FLA deep cycle battery. This engine also runs the power steering.
Port engine battery powers the engine and emergency bilge pump. A power steering pump that does nothing. Mercrusier configures both engines the same, this pump just recirculates fluid back to the oil cooler and then the reservoir. It simplified Mercrusier’s inventory. A few boats may have a priority valve to allow either engine to provide power steering, but it seems a rare option. This unused pump will become important later.
DC System
I will retain the 12v deep cycle battery as is for all house electrical and electronics this will eliminate any need to protect the 12v systems from a lithium battery disconnect. This also meets the new ABYC TE-13 and E-11 recommendations for critical system power. I will remove the ACR but retain the 1-Both-2 battery switch on the house for backup should I need to charge off the starboard engine. Under normal circumstances this house battery will charge thru a 30 amp DC/DC charger from the lithium bank. This gives me the extended run capacity of the lithium bank without any significant 12 volt system modifications.
AC System
I previously upgraded my 120v/30A to 240v/50A service with a heavy duty 60A pin and sleeve marine connector on the boat. This upgrade included a new shore panel for the 240v with a marine RCD/GFCI protection meeting current ABYC standards. I also upgraded the galley range to a 240v unit and the water heater was increased from 6 gallon 120v to 11 gallon 240v. Remember higher voltages mean less current required for same power use. This is why so many 30A sockets end up burning as they get corroded and loose. It’s a 1938 design that we have outgrown as we have added microwave ovens, stoves, air conditioners, heaters, etc.
Teaser:
I’m going to start with an overview of the risks, challenges and choices. I freely admit I picked solutions from many different very knowledgeable people Nigel Calder, Will Prowse, Peter Kennedy, Jeff Cote and others many on Club Sea Ray. By profession I am an “Integrator” I assemble solutions from commercially available components and that is what I did here.
In the marine market Lifepo4 lithium battery systems are still quite new. And there is no simple one size fits all “drop in” solution, regardless of what some battery venders say, nor even from many marine industry professionals. There are any number of designs that are neither “right” nor “wrong” just different. Each have pros, many have significant cons or risks.
My situation:
1994 300 Sundancer, never had a generator. I could add a generator at around $15k+/- not really cost effective for 28 year old boat. I could look at used or rebuilt generator at around $6k+/- but then life expectancy or unknown condition is a concern. I also need a complete system since the boat never had a generator so muffler, hoses, fittings, exhaust port, water inlet, etc. Then there are the additional concerns of Carbon Monoxide at anchor, risk running overnight.
Given this I chose to create an inverter system that is the equivalent of an AC generator since I feel I can do this for far less than the $6k.
First I will cover some of the issues with attempts to “drop in” a 12 volt LifePo4 battery.
1. LifePo4 batteries can absorb a significant amount of current during charging.
a. Pro this means you can charge quickly if you can provide enough power to the battery
b. Con NO standard marine alternator is designed for 100% output for more than MINUTES. So a 100A alternator will start to heat up after a few minutes at full output, as it does it will become less efficient dropping to 70% or less. Also if it runs hot enough long enough it will kill itself. ($)
c. Result, special alternators, regulators and charge controllers are required to keep the magic smoke inside direct charging LifePo4. ($ & Complex)
2. LifePo4 batteries are expensive and very unforgiving of “abuse”.
a. Require protection from extreme discharge currents, over charging, excessive float voltage, thermal damage, cell imbalance. These things are managed with a combination of the charging controller and a Battery Management System (BMS).
b. The BMS will protect the battery continuously but the final protection is an automatic battery disconnect. A sudden battery disconnect will cause a voltage spike that have been measured to 87 volts or more on a 12 volt system. This can easily damage electronics and is a known killer of standard alternators so again this requires special considerations.
c. LifePo4 batteries can provide high currents but there are limits. At 12 volts invertors and starters will draw very large currents a 4kw inverter can hit 350 amps. LifePo4 batteries have discharge rates that are usually referenced as “C”. So 1C is 1 x the Capacity of the cell, a 100A cell with a 1C continuous rate means you can safely pull 100 amps until it reaches low voltage cutoff. The same cell may have a maximum discharge rate of 3C or 300 amp in this case. This again is where a BMS will come in to enforce these limits. Exceed the continuous rate and it will be allowed up to the maximum duration specified for the battery at which point the BMS will disconnect the load to protect the battery.
3. Non-battery specific issues at 12 volt
a. As seen above a 4Kw inverter could pull up to 350 amps. This requires very large very short battery cables to prevent cable overheating and excessive voltage drop to an inverter. This would require 3/0 AWG cables for 4 feet (x2), that’s a lot of copper.
b. Similarly charging at 12 volt from a 200A alternator would require 2 AWG cables at 10 feet (x2) still some very heavy wiring.
c. All these cables require short circuit protection and manual disconnect switches, at these high currents such switches, fuse holders and T type fuses get expensive.
Ok so how will I avoid those complexities or reduce the number of them?
In my specific use case I feel the modifications necessary to the existing 12 volt systems is too broad to deal with. 12 volt is a carryover from automotive designs. Doing everything at 12 volt just because it’s common has too many challenges. Many charging components would need replacing or modification to cover all the possible issues adequately. It can be done, if designed with a new boat it may even be practical, but not as a conversion. You just have to throw away too many perfectly useful components and replace them with ones costing four times as much.
Existing Systems:
Twin 5.7 260HP Mercruiser I/O Alpha I Gen2 drives. Both engines have a basic 60A marine alternator. Both have a FLA marine starting battery not deep cycle; simple, reliable and cheap.
Starboard engine battery powers the engine and primary bilge pumps and the anchor windlass. The windlass is a very large short duration motor load similar to a starter. Since the windlass is never used without the engines running there is no great advantage having it on the house bank. A Blue Seas ACR currently charges the house FLA deep cycle battery. This engine also runs the power steering.
Port engine battery powers the engine and emergency bilge pump. A power steering pump that does nothing. Mercrusier configures both engines the same, this pump just recirculates fluid back to the oil cooler and then the reservoir. It simplified Mercrusier’s inventory. A few boats may have a priority valve to allow either engine to provide power steering, but it seems a rare option. This unused pump will become important later.
DC System
I will retain the 12v deep cycle battery as is for all house electrical and electronics this will eliminate any need to protect the 12v systems from a lithium battery disconnect. This also meets the new ABYC TE-13 and E-11 recommendations for critical system power. I will remove the ACR but retain the 1-Both-2 battery switch on the house for backup should I need to charge off the starboard engine. Under normal circumstances this house battery will charge thru a 30 amp DC/DC charger from the lithium bank. This gives me the extended run capacity of the lithium bank without any significant 12 volt system modifications.
AC System
I previously upgraded my 120v/30A to 240v/50A service with a heavy duty 60A pin and sleeve marine connector on the boat. This upgrade included a new shore panel for the 240v with a marine RCD/GFCI protection meeting current ABYC standards. I also upgraded the galley range to a 240v unit and the water heater was increased from 6 gallon 120v to 11 gallon 240v. Remember higher voltages mean less current required for same power use. This is why so many 30A sockets end up burning as they get corroded and loose. It’s a 1938 design that we have outgrown as we have added microwave ovens, stoves, air conditioners, heaters, etc.