2nd Admendment Sanctuary?

I've been at gun ranges where folks, younger more than older, are burning through their high capacity magazines. I've been deer hunting and you can hear folks blasting away, the first couple shots aimed maybe, the rest is just strafing. They think it's fun, it's cool, just like bump shooting or using a bumpstock. IMHO, I think high capacity mags promote the idea it's OK to horse around, the respect for guns is diminished, they're often owned and played with like toys, marksmanship and sportsmanship that last thing on their minds.

I'd like to see magazine capacities reduced, 5 rounds max for rifles above .22 rimfire.

You may have heard me at the range then off of Highway C by Corny :D . Sometimes, toward the end of my range time, I'll blast through about 10 rounds for fun. Yeah, I may be showing off a little in front of my daughter.

I never hunt that way and would never hunt with anyone that sprayed like that.
 
Case in point, The "Patriot Act" ...I mean seriously who doesn't want to be a "Patriot"! (Cue American Flag).... Now, if they called it the " We are going to take your freedoms away and spy on you and have secret courts act" It probably wouldn't have passed so easily...But they were sure to tell you there it was for your protection and people are clearly scared enough to give up freedoms they were afforded for some veiled belief of more safety.

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Indeed Boat Guy. I actually fell into that category of the; "Well, I'm not doing anything wrong, so go ahead with the Patriot Act", kind of guy. I regret it now. It has been a learning process for me. I was never a Constitutional scholar nor consider myself one, and I didn't care much about politics until after 9/11.
 
As a bit of background, I am a gun owner and have been at varying levels of ownership for the past fifty or so years. I also live in MA and have a LTC (License to Carry). To qualify for that I took a six hour class, was fingerprinted, underwent a MA State Police, as well as FBI background checks. While there were no licensing requirements when I started shooting at Boy Scout camp in the early sixties, in the intervening years the implementation of licensing and subsequent renewals have subjected me to the various checks.

As a MA resident I can not own an AR or AK pattern rifle, magazines with greater than 10 round capacity, nor purchase a handgun nor semi-automatic rifle that is not on a state published roster. And when I do go to purchase a firearm in MA, must use the Commonwealth’s on line system that does its own background check in addition to the federal check. My brother on the other hand lives in NH, can buy anything he wants short of a machine gun on the basis of his NH drivers license. And that’s the crux of the problem; inconsistent licensing standards.

I’m also a NRA certified Senior Range Safety Officer and pistol instructor, and have taken just about all of the non armed professional courses that Sig Academy offers. I am firmly in favor of stringent qualification based licensing requirements, as well as regular formal training. This is in large part because of the number knuckleheads I have come across in my role as a RSO who were destined to unintentionally shoot themselves or someone around them.

As for banning ARs, fine by me, the things are just too ugly with no wood or engraving.
Henry, please don't take offense at what I'm about to say but let me present another idea.

Do you feel any safer than your brother who lives in NH? C'mon, you must feel a lot safer because of all your training and being fingerprinted and all that other crap that MA makes you do and hoops you have to jump through to own/use a firearm. And, while they allow you to own certain types of firearms because you've jumped through all those hoops, they do not allow you to own an AR/AK type firearm.

Are their limits to the amount of trust they bestow on you? Why? C'mon man, you've been trained to hell and gone, why don't they trust you?

All of that crap is just another example of a nanny state deciding how you should live, what guns you can own, etc. Next it will be the color of the shirts you wear on each day of the week, what color car goes well in your neighborhood.

You see where I'm going with all this? MA has gotten its residents to knuckle under to all their political bullsh!t so much that now they feel like they're normal and the rest of the US is all f'd up.

Ever wonder why MA still refers to itself as a Commonwealth rather than a state?
 
Comparing to two:
  • Diving: many hours of classwork; written tests; practical training; practical tests. Risk: realistically, injury to or death of just the diver from a recreational activity (not to others - OK, maybe a dive buddy)
  • Firearms: no class work or written tests, no practical training or tests. Risk: severe injury or death to others from an item intended to kill.
It seems like for these two activities, the ratios of training to risks to those not participating are both inverse and backwards.



Could it be this is the reason?

96th Amendment to the Constitution....
"A well regulated scuba diving club, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to freely dive, shall not be infringed, but only after they've received countless hours of training, background checks, written tests, in-water tests and other unnecessary bullshit as the State shall deem necessary."

Sorry, my coffee cup runneth over this morning so I'm full of sarcasm. You just happened to be in the firing line. But it's OK because I've been thoroughly trained over my 70+ years so I've attained my Masters Degree in Sarcasm.

DIVE FREE OR DIE! to misquote NH's state motto
 
AK and AR's are not banned in Ma. , nor are high capacity mags. My old AK has plenty of good looking wood and a folding stock, and with a mussel brake second to none. Spray all you want, that barrel stays right on target. The 30 cal round makes the .223 look puny
 
Could it be this is the reason?

96th Amendment to the Constitution....
"A well regulated scuba diving club, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to freely dive, shall not be infringed, but only after they've received countless hours of training, background checks, written tests, in-water tests and other unnecessary bullshit as the State shall deem necessary."

Sorry, my coffee cup runneth over this morning so I'm full of sarcasm. You just happened to be in the firing line. But it's OK because I've been thoroughly trained over my 70+ years so I've attained my Masters Degree in Sarcasm.

DIVE FREE OR DIE! to misquote NH's state motto
I'm rolling my eyes at you. :D
 
I watched my Mother In Law become a fringe left liberal by watching CNN everyday. She doesn't work but she can tell every single thing Trump has done wrong including all things he has been accused of. She cried with Rachel Maddow when the Mueller report came out finding ....nothing. It is almost impossible to hold a conversation with her without triggering her TDS.

Unfortunately, technology has enabled a 24x7 news cycle and a propaganda based social media that preys on people like her in the same way Jimmy and Tammy Faye Baker did.

I think listening to too much of one voice has a similar effect. Fox-only viewers can be just a nuts as CNN-only viewers. The 24*7 cycle has not helped things - people can be incessantly talked at all day.

Getting the multiple and varied view points is good and healthy. And frankly, it's why I'm reading and participating in this thread. I don't agree with all the ideas, but it's informative.
 
Henry, please don't take offense at what I'm about to say but let me present another idea.

Do you feel any safer than your brother who lives in NH? C'mon, you must feel a lot safer because of all your training and being fingerprinted and all that other crap that MA makes you do and hoops you have to jump through to own/use a firearm. And, while they allow you to own certain types of firearms because you've jumped through all those hoops, they do not allow you to own an AR/AK type firearm.

Are their limits to the amount of trust they bestow on you? Why? C'mon man, you've been trained to hell and gone, why don't they trust you?

All of that crap is just another example of a nanny state deciding how you should live, what guns you can own, etc. Next it will be the color of the shirts you wear on each day of the week, what color car goes well in your neighborhood.

You see where I'm going with all this? MA has gotten its residents to knuckle under to all their political bullsh!t so much that now they feel like they're normal and the rest of the US is all f'd up.

Ever wonder why MA still refers to itself as a Commonwealth rather than a state?

Do I feel safer? In one context, yes certainly. I fully recognize that criminals can readily get illegal guns but still think the MA requirements are a positive step if for the training requirements alone. Do illegal gun possession laws make us safer? I don’t know. I do know that in the city of Boston the BPD seizes something like 3000 illegal guns a year, (2800 in 2018 according to BPD commissioner Gross). There are at least 2800 more charges for criminals.

Maybe the other question is, do I feel my brother and his family are less safe? That regrettably is yes also. On the mantle over the fireplace at my home club there is an engraved sign that says, “you can’t fix stupid”. It does bother me that the qualification bar is set lower in NH allowing a larger spectrum of stupids to own guns.

Does it irk me I can’t buy a Wilson Supergrade because it’s not on the roster but I can buy a Colt Gold Cup that from a design perspective is all for intents and purposes identical? You betcha.

It also bothers me that MA gun laws are not only restrictive, but are also badly crafted law. Quite simply they are written to make it as hard as possible to sell guns in Massachusetts. The whole AR ban is a perfect example. That ban covers any semi-auto rifle with a detachable magazine with certain features, pistol grip, muzzle device, adjustable butt stock. In short, if it looks like a Colt AR-15. It’s kind of ridiculous when you consider you can buy a brand new reproduction M1 from Springfield, or a refurbished real deal from CMP.

Do we live in an imperfect world? Yes. Have the negatives of where we live begun to outweigh the positives? Not quite yet.
 
AK and AR's are not banned in Ma. , nor are high capacity mags. My old AK has plenty of good looking wood and a folding stock, and with a mussel brake second to none. Spray all you want, that barrel stays right on target. The 30 cal round makes the .223 look puny

Sorry, but you are wrong.

from Mass.gov a link to their FAQ page on the assault rifle ban:

https://www.mass.gov/guides/frequen...ut-the-assault-weapons-ban-enforcement-notice

From the Goal website on their efforts to have it overturned.

https://goal.org/healey-lawsuit-update-extension-granted/
 
Do illegal gun possession laws make us safer? I don’t know. I do know that in the city of Boston the BPD seizes something like 3000 illegal guns a year, (2800 in 2018 according to BPD commissioner Gross). There are at least 2800 more charges for criminals.
Now that statistic sounds real pleasing to the ear until you question how many of those 2800 people were actually charged with illegal possession of the seized firearm. I'd bet not many. If they charged them all that would be about 11 additional crimes charged EVERY day. That would overwhelm the courts in no time. I'd bet of the few that did get charged most of those were dealt away in the plea bargain process. It's how the system works.

Maybe the other question is, do I feel my brother and his family are less safe? That regrettably is yes also.
Hmmmm, maybe your brother and his neighbors ain't so stupid after all. Here's a quote from The Washington Post....
Massachusetts, with 110 homicides, 69 of them by firearm in 2014, ranks second from to the bottom of the DCDC’s list of state murder rates at 1.61 per 100,000 population. Only New Hampshire at 1.28 per 100,000 finished lower.

Massachusetts has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, requiring licenses to purchase or possess any sort of firearm as well as registration of all firearms with the state."

Hmmm, maybe them stooped little buggers north of you are doing sumpin' right.
 
Glouster County has its meeting the other night, over 1500 people showed. They voted unanimously to be a sanctuary

Suffolk has theirs, it was standing room only and a large crowd outside. The Mayor there showed she had no spine and refused to even vote on the matter

York County was lastnight, they decided to wait and see what happens at the Commonwealth level.

James City is on the 10th. It's going to be a packed house
 
Now that statistic sounds real pleasing to the ear until you question how many of those 2800 people were actually charged with illegal possession of the seized firearm. I'd bet not many. If they charged them all that would be about 11 additional crimes charged EVERY day. That would overwhelm the courts in no time. I'd bet of the few that did get charged most of those were dealt away in the plea bargain process. It's how the system works.


Hmmmm, maybe your brother and his neighbors ain't so stupid after all. Here's a quote from The Washington Post....
Massachusetts, with 110 homicides, 69 of them by firearm in 2014, ranks second from to the bottom of the DCDC’s list of state murder rates at 1.61 per 100,000 population. Only New Hampshire at 1.28 per 100,000 finished lower.

Massachusetts has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, requiring licenses to purchase or possess any sort of firearm as well as registration of all firearms with the state."

Hmmm, maybe them stooped little buggers north of you are doing sumpin' right.

And you’ve hit the nail on the head. In cases where a criminal was linked to a seized weapon, charges were lodged. The problem is that too frequently gun charges are plead down, or away altogether. The current Suffolk County (Boston area) DA does not believe in prosecuting “minor” crimes.

I’ve seen the murder numbers before. On the murder stats there has been a lot of speculation. The situation is certainly counter intuitive. It’s tempting to come to the same conclusion that ma’s gun laws don’t work. I think there is some underlying factor and my take is that we are seeing the result of laws being on the books that criminals know they can ignore.
 
Interesting that NH has open carry, no "assault" weapons ban and concealed carry..... is next door to Massachusetts AND has less deaths. What does that tell you?
Not much. A curious statistic. What are the economic profiles between the two? What is the general rate of incarceration? How are the schools rated? Are living conditions any better in one than the other? What is the blue collar / white collar ratio? Does race play into criminal activity statistically? Are all "deaths" associated with assault weapons or with concealed carry? Is one law enforcement better staffed, organized, and equipped than another? Are law enforcement a better community member than another?
The message is there is much more to a reason than a media quip.
 
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Here is the situation as I see it - In the US, our rights and the basis of our rights regardless of the topic are a big solid rock. There are those with great power, elected and not, that work through their concept of right and wrong to take a little chip off the rock then another chip and another. Before we know it that big solid rock is not so big and we still believe it is a big solid rock; humans have such short memories. Be aware of what it was, what it is, and what it may be.
 
Sorry, but you are wrong.

from Mass.gov a link to their FAQ page on the assault rifle ban:

https://www.mass.gov/guides/frequen...ut-the-assault-weapons-ban-enforcement-notice

From the Goal website on their efforts to have it overturned.

https://goal.org/healey-lawsuit-update-extension-granted/
What if I already own a gun that is a copy or duplicate?
If a weapon is a copy or duplicate of one of the models enumerated in the law, it is an Assault Weapon. The Enforcement notice will not be applied to possession, ownership or transfer by an individual gun owner of weapons obtained on or before July 20, 2016.

The AGO also will not enforce the law against a gun dealer that possesses or transfers a “copy or duplicate” weapon that was obtained on or before July 20, 2016, provided that transfers, if any, are made to persons or businesses in states where ownership of the weapon is legal.

Loop hole here.
 

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