Economy added 263,000 jobs in April, unemployment falls to 3.6%, new 50-year low
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So here is March 20th 2017 and the budget through this year. With the current spending and if Trump get re-elected the spending is projected to reach just over 30 trillion in Federal debt by 2024. That will mean between Trump and Obama they have contributed 9 trillion and 11 trillion to the debt between them. Such a great job.
Woody
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I think I'd stay with the US Treasury numbers. Here's the debt on Trumps inauguration day and the debt end of yesterday... 3.2 trillion
This topic usually comes up to show that my guy is better than your guy. The reality is that in the last 75yrs, with the exception of a few, it doesn't matter who it was or what party...Washington has consistently spent more than they take in and now we got what we got.
Sure, at any point might different politics have shrunk those deficits? I think so and just as often might make them larger. I think the most likely thing would be they'd still remain deficits.
This topic usually comes up to show that my guy is better than your guy. The reality is that in the last 75yrs, with the exception of a few, it doesn't matter who it was or what party...Washington has consistently spent more than they take in and now we got what we got.
Sure, at any point might different politics have shrunk those deficits? I think so and just as often might make them larger. I think the most likely thing would be they'd still remain deficits.
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You didn't take into consideration the money allocated for this year, you took it as of today which is not a true indication of Trumps spending. Watch it grow and quickly.
My numbers came from the US government debt clock.
My numbers came from the US government debt clock.
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JVM225
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While he is accumulating more debt, largely because a lot of what the Feds spend money on is non-negotiable according to Congress, his policies are resulting in more money coming in to the Federal coffers.
He’s also getting more for the taxpayer dollars he does spend through negotiating when possible.
Don’t forget how crazy the Democrats got a month or so ago when Trump suggested eliminating food stamps for able bodied adults with no dependents.
Honestly, I don’t think anyone should go hungry in this country but by the same token if an able bodied adult with no dependents needs food stamps they should have a verifiable and serious reason before they get them. While all recipients should be regularly reviewed, the able bodied adults with no dependents should be more closely scrutinized to make sure they still need them.
He’s also getting more for the taxpayer dollars he does spend through negotiating when possible.
Don’t forget how crazy the Democrats got a month or so ago when Trump suggested eliminating food stamps for able bodied adults with no dependents.
Honestly, I don’t think anyone should go hungry in this country but by the same token if an able bodied adult with no dependents needs food stamps they should have a verifiable and serious reason before they get them. While all recipients should be regularly reviewed, the able bodied adults with no dependents should be more closely scrutinized to make sure they still need them.
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By 'money allocated for this year' do you mean the budget submitted for 2020? You claimed he spent/borrowed 5T already in his first 3yrs, that's simply not so. If you're bound and determined to include 2020 you should at least present it relative to the correct number of years(4). The Pres actually hasn't even completed his 3rd yet.
The national debt increase 5.8T during Obamas first 4yrs. Trump won't be passing that.
Who knows what the actual budget numbers show at fiscal year end compared to the estimate submitted. Maybe a couple newly negotiated trade agreements will put a dent in the deficit. Of course that would require Washington quit dicking around with political assassinations and get to work.
Speaking of impeachment, ol' Al Green has spit out some dilly's lately. He said this impeachment isn't about impeachment, he said it's really about slavery. WOW, another WTF moment
, can't hardly beat that one you'd think, but he did....just in the last couple weeks he said "the genesis for Trumps impeachment was the day he said he was running'.Woody
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You mad again because the USA didn't blow more shit up? You guys in Europe must have a couple bombs laying around don't you? Load them in a plane and push them out the door when you're over Iran.
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Why do you keep comparing Trump to Obama. Neither was successful as President and only one is adding to the deficit right now. I would like to see Trump removed from office it's the only way to keep the WH and hopefully Congess and the Senate. His repeal and replace in the first year promise never happened that will hurt the GOP come voting day.By 'money allocated for this year' do you mean the budget submitted for 2020? You claimed he spent/borrowed 5T already in his first 3yrs, that's simply not so. If you're bound and determined to include 2020 you should at least present it relative to the correct number of years(4). The Pres actually hasn't even completed his 3rd yet.
The national debt increase 5.8T during Obamas first 4yrs. Trump won't be passing that.
Who knows what the actual budget numbers show at fiscal year end compared to the estimate submitted. Maybe a couple newly negotiated trade agreements will put a dent in the deficit. Of course that would require Washington quit dicking around with political assassinations and get to work.
Speaking of impeachment, ol' Al Green has spit out some dilly's lately. He said this impeachment isn't about impeachment, he said it's really about slavery. WOW, another WTF moment
Woody
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Sorry, I didn't need to compare to Obama. I only did that because you referenced the spending of 'the last administration', I thought you were comparing.
The whole discussion has become moot anyway when you shared your 'he can't be beat so must be impeached' view.
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I do like the fact that companies are now repatriating their cash back into the US. What was the last tally, $1trillion so far? I believe there's more to come.
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I believe he will be beat as I said. The only way for the GOP to hold the WH is to remove Trump from office, sorry if I was not clear on that.
That’s okay... a lot of people and polls said the samething in 2016.
Right now you’re saying that without an opponent. So you’re saying he will lose because of himself.. not so, say the republican polls if you give polls any weight
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JVM225
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Not sure how it is in other places, but here in “The People’s Republic of NY” there are a lot of closeted Trump supporters.
It’s almost like a secret society because of the insane vitriol exhibited by the left towards Trump or anyone who may even be suspected of voting for him.
Many that I know personally have not voted in years, if ever at all, because of the disproportionate number of liberals.
Their feelings seemed to be “why bother”.
That’s all changing.
The Republicans seemed to have basically written off NY in statewide, senate and presidential races.
But if the amount of Trump support I see in and around NYC is this strong there is a chance that the less liberal upstate and rural areas can be turned too with a good ground game if the GOP put their mind to it.
But they won’t!
It’s almost like a secret society because of the insane vitriol exhibited by the left towards Trump or anyone who may even be suspected of voting for him.
Many that I know personally have not voted in years, if ever at all, because of the disproportionate number of liberals.
Their feelings seemed to be “why bother”.
That’s all changing.
The Republicans seemed to have basically written off NY in statewide, senate and presidential races.
But if the amount of Trump support I see in and around NYC is this strong there is a chance that the less liberal upstate and rural areas can be turned too with a good ground game if the GOP put their mind to it.
But they won’t!
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Your right I do believe Trump will lose because of himself. He has not done anything for the working or lower class. Yes he has given the upper class tax breaks that are huge for them but his failure to repeal and replace the ACA was a huge mistake. Trying to gut the program so it would implode an even worse mistake. Farm bankruptcy up 20% in 2019 and not looking any better for 2020.
That’s a pretty broad statement about doing nothing for working and lower class...what is your definition of nothing?..... lowest unemployment rate in how long?....lowest unemployment rate for minorities?... Not sure what you definition is of lower class?... if it’s people on food stamps...lowest number in years.
We seem to boil everything down to generalizations to the point that what you are really saying is I don’t like the guy.
Healthcare is a shit show.... no one ever can say anything about
Obamacare unless you have lived with it and paid for it....you don’t get a say. I have ...it is a shit show and disgustingly expensive..... now I am not talking about going to the doctor for a cough.... I am talking Major diseases...Obama should be put in jail for that phuckn disaster.... I voted for trump to kill it ... it deserved to be killed a violent death and I am not impressed it still exists.
Farmers aren’t going to decide the election... I get it... tariffs hurt everyone...they hurt me and my business. But I would rather go bankrupt in a hurry than go bankrupt slowly.... a better trade deal will help all of us long term.
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You gotta be kidding....Here are just a few things, who are the people that these items most benefited?
-We've got lowest unemployment rate in 50yrs.
-The lowest unemployment rates on record were matched or set in September 2019 for African Americans, Hispanics, and people with disabilities.
-The unemployment rate for people without a high school diploma is at the lowest rate since 1992, 3% drop since Nov '16
-We no longer fine already financially strapped people for not having health insurance.
-How about the tax cut/changes? In many cases these changes virtually eliminated federal income tax liability for low income working households.
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We live in a very sheltered world here we have boats we have expendable cash but the truth is the middle and lower income have been hit hard. Every look at the lower and middle income mean wage, I've spent that average on fuel over a 3 year period. Over 40% are making 18,000.00 a year.
The ARC needed to be fixed now we have a mess wonder who created that?
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Okay... that’s where you lost me. I work my ass off for my employees and the business. 24/7...it’s nonstop 24/7... it’s 12:11AM right now and I got home 20 minutes ago and I went in at 6:30am and I was late my guys were there at 6:00am.
I am in manufacturing, when a machine is cutting steel we make money... when I get a break we get to go to the boat.... it is not “sheltered” it’s earned.
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