The "virus" What are your thoughts

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Capt. Rusty Higgins said:
With a major in Nationalism and a minor in the rest of world stuff....I will not debate on things that require a lot more brain power than I possess, BUT as an American and a Veteran, it concerns the beejeezers out of me that one little village in a foreign country can whip up a biological potion, and bring the mighty US of A to our knees. Now hearing that the USS Roosevelt is infected, and all testing positive are removed from the ship. That is a US Warship and it's fleet, who are our Pacific defense system..now running with a less than full crews....Country down and Military crippled, and not nary a shot fired. NO, I am not saying this was intentional by any means, but we just showed the world how vulnerable we are. And that's even with the strongest military ever to exist on the planet. I hope this is not the new Warfare.....because it worked, damnit!

Stay safe Carter!

R
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Well said sir !! I feel the same , but I’m not convinced it wasn’t intentional : my post 382
 
I highly doubt that this was anything started by anyone. If it was the Chinese, why would they start it in their own country? If it was the Russians, why would they start it in their one main global communist ally? Makes no sense.

However, you can bet that the Russians and Iranians are taking notes on the American reaction, how fast it spreads, where the impact is the worst, how quickly the governments can react, how quickly the population can be mobilized to action, etc. Any country thinking about a biological weapon is watching VERY closely. This only kills maybe 2-5% of the population, and mostly the elderly. Can you imagine what this would be like if this was a virus that killed 50% and was in the hands of Iran, or ISIS? And you can bet that the Russian's are LOVING the fact that there are so many people in the US that still believe that this is not a significant concern and are complaining about the temporary sacrifice of small aspects of personal freedom.

So do your best to convince everyone to take it seriously, get aligned on the same side, and stamp this out by staying home and doing whatever else we are told by proper medical doctors in charge of the process..
 
Creekwood said:
I highly doubt that this was anything started by anyone. If it was the Chinese, why would they start it in their own country? If it was the Russians, why would they start it in their one main global communist ally? Makes no sense.

However, you can bet that the Russians and Iranians are taking notes on the American reaction, how fast it spreads, where the impact is the worst, how quickly the governments can react, how quickly the population can be mobilized to action, etc. Any country thinking about a biological weapon is watching VERY closely. This only kills maybe 2-5% of the population, and mostly the elderly. Can you imagine what this would be like if this was a virus that killed 50% and was in the hands of Iran, or ISIS? And you can bet that the Russian's are LOVING the fact that there are so many people in the US that still believe that this is not a significant concern and are complaining about the temporary sacrifice of small aspects of personal freedom.

So do your best to convince everyone to take it seriously, get aligned on the same side, and stamp this out by staying home and doing whatever else we are told by proper medical doctors in charge of the process..
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I don't see it as such a far fetched idea. My first thought after finding it had begun in China was, "well they found a way to get all those protesters in China and Hong Kong off the streets without having to start shooting them."
 
Creekwood said:
I highly doubt that this was anything started by anyone. If it was the Chinese, why would they start it in their own country? ......
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Why, in your logic, did it have to be intentional? Do you understand that it's possible China never intended to release it, and yet it still wasn't contained by an accident or rouge individual.
 
I'm seeing way to much information to believe this was just an animal to animal to human jump of a virus.

This is also in Wuhan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology

China's cover up, denial, the WHO's denial and statement that it cannot spread human to human. This is much bigger than a virus that happened via natural causes. Like @Boat Guy, not saying they intentionally released it, but it got out and you can see the damage it and the reaction to it - are doing to the world.
 
Kwik said:
I don't see it as such a far fetched idea. My first thought after finding it had begun in China was, "well they found a way to get all those protesters in China and Hong Kong off the streets without having to start shooting them."
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They would have started in Hong Kong if that was the case.
Boat Guy said:
Why, in your logic, did it have to be intentional? Do you understand that it's possible China never intended to release it, and yet it still wasn't contained by an accident or rouge individual.
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I did look at Hannity's piece. Maybe... But this has happened before with SARs and MERs. Even Ebola they found started with bush meat virus transfer.
 
Boat Guy said:
Why, in your logic, did it have to be intentional? Do you understand that it's possible China never intended to release it, and yet it still wasn't contained by an accident or rouge individual.
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I don't think so, but what would I know. I know Hannity's theory was that they accidentally sold bats to a market. Maybe, but the Chinese are too smart to let that happen if they are doing biological weapon development in secret, so not plausible IMO.

But assume Hannity is right. Then read my post again and you will see the point I was making is not inconsistent not matter if it was intentional or not.
 
What about the possible theory of someone working in one of the labs like the Wuhan Institute of Virology, selling the animal in the wet markets after testing to make a few extra bucks, as opposed to disposing of the animal properly?

Hanity did have someone on IIRC stating this was an option and has happened before. That someone mentioned there are 3 possibilities if it came from a lab.
1. It was released intentionally
2. Someone from the lab was infected and spread it, not intentionally
3. The host animal was not destroyed and instead sold in the wet market for human consumption.
 
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Creekwood said:
I don't think so, but what would I know. I know Hannity's theory was that they accidentally sold bats to a market. Maybe, but the Chinese are too smart to let that happen if they are doing biological weapon development in secret, so not plausible IMO.

But assume Hannity is right. Then read my post again and you will see the point I was making is not inconsistent not matter if it was intentional or not.
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Creekwood, with all due respect, I don't want to play this game. Pathogens are something I studied awhile back. I'm rusty, and I have my theories based on likely scenarios. I don't listen to Hanity, so I really don't know what he said.

In my estimation, it far more probable that the virus originated out of the Bio-hazard lab in Wohan that a meat market. I say this for a number of reasons, but I will focus on one. You mentions SARS and MERS, but are you familiar with them? Do you know why they didn't spread like the pandemic we have now? They, being a new virus introduced to humans have a hard time transmitting from human to human. This is quite common with new viruses...Explain how SARS-cov2 jumped from "bats" (presumed from dna sequencing) jumped animal to human and now transmits human to human so productively? One theory would be that it was mutated in the lab. While it might have originated in bats, this virus is pretty designer...Meaning, not only does it have an incredible transmission rate, but it also lays dormant better than almost any other virus out there. A big advantage if you want to unsuspectingly infect a population and make it hard to find patient zero.

If you want to believe some Chinese person eat a bat and started this, so be it. It's the Chinese Gov't narrative...But, another question for you...How likely is it for two different strains to mutate so quickly? Is it possible one was release unintentionally and the other intentionally? Possibly spread the less lethal one after lack of containment on the first to provide some herd immunity and anti-bodies? I don't know.... I do know, a lot goes on in back channels that you would think are just in the movies....Don't kid yourself. There are misinformation / disinformation campaigns going in full force throughout the internet and forums to create a narrative. China has one of the largest cyber "militarys" in the world...

Editing the post to include this link I think some of you might like to read...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/business/china-coronavirus-internet-police.html
 
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Boat Guy said:
Creekwood, with all due respect, I don't want to play this game. Pathogens are something I studied awhile back. I'm rusty, and I have my theories based on likely scenarios. I don't listen to Hanity, so I really don't know what he said.

In my estimation, it far more probable that the virus originated out of the Bio-hazard lab in Wohan that a meat market. I say this for a number of reasons, but I will focus on one. You mentions SARS and MERS, but are you familiar with them? Do you know why they didn't spread like the pandemic we have now? They, being a new virus introduced to humans have a hard time transmitting from human to human. This is quite common with new viruses...Explain how SARS-cov2 jumped from "bats" (presumed from dna sequencing) jumped animal to human and now transmits human to human so productively? One theory would be that it was mutated in the lab. While it might have originated in bats, this virus is pretty designer...Meaning, not only does it have an incredible transmission rate, but it also lays dormant better than almost any other virus out there. A big advantage if you want to unsuspectingly infect a population and make it hard to find patient zero.

If you want to believe some Chinese person eat a bat and started this, so be it. It's the Chinese Gov't narrative...But, another question for you...How likely is it for two different strains to mutate so quickly? Is it possible one was release unintentionally and the other intentionally? Possibly spread the less lethal one after lack of containment on the first to provide some herd immunity and anti-bodies? I don't know.... I do know, a lot goes on in back channels that you would think are just in the movies....Don't kid yourself. There are misinformation / disinformation campaigns going in full force throughout the internet and forums to create a narrative. China has one of the largest cyber "militarys" in the world...

Editing the post to include this link I think some of you might like to read...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/business/china-coronavirus-internet-police.html
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Good information and I do not disagree that there is a lot going on that none of us will ever 100% know for sure. My main point was that even if it WAS intentional bio-warfare testing that got away, this real life test of country by country ability to respond effectively is about the simplest espionage a Putin or Xi could ever ask for.
 
M Prod said:
CDC has said this since January. Pathetic.
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I believe what they were saying, correctly so, is that some are positive for COVID and have no symptoms, and that even if you’re asymptomatic you are still able to transmit to others.

Let’s not fall prey to fake news.
 
Blueone said:
Too many pandemics from China not to think there is something up
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Ever been in the kitchen of a Chinese restaurant or take out?
I’ve had the displeasure of doing it on burglary calls a few times over the years.
 
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