So now what do you do with reopening ?

I hate to break it to everyone and I don't want to be morose, but we will all die, period! Most of us don't know when or how but the fact of death is certain. Now with that said, I could get hit by a car crossing the street on any given day. That doesn't mean I'll play in traffic and I will look both ways before I cross. I will not live my life in fear. I am not afraid of the Corona virus because fortunately I am healthy. I will not be looking to jump into a mosh pit anytime soon, but I will be on a plane tomorrow morning and I will enter a restaurant and eat dinner. I will feel totally comfortable with my table being 6 feet from the next one. I do respect the rules and regulations and do what I can to make others comfortable. Here in NJ, we are required to wear masks in every business. I have no problem with it, but the second I'm back outside, it comes off.
 
Blueone said:
Well I am alarmed now.... so that’s a No for going to a bar? :)
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ENstig8or said:
I hate to break it to everyone and I don't want to be morose, but we will all die, period! Most of us don't know when or how but the fact of death is certain. Now with that said, I could get hit by a car crossing the street on any given day. That doesn't mean I'll play in traffic and I will look both ways before I cross. I will not live my life in fear. I am not afraid of the Corona virus because fortunately I am healthy. I will not be looking to jump into a mosh pit anytime soon, but I will be on a plane tomorrow morning and I will enter a restaurant and eat dinner. I will feel totally comfortable with my table being 6 feet from the next one. I do respect the rules and regulations and do what I can to make others comfortable. Here in NJ, we are required to wear masks in every business. I have no problem with it, but the second I'm back outside, it comes off.
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You're right. Nobody gets out alive.
 
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Fellas does anyone know who was in the beer cave before you?
 
M Prod said:
Annual numbers aside, currently Covid-19 is killing more people on a daily basis than anything else. So I believe that quantifies as the number one cause of death at this time. We’ll see how the year plays out.
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Lots of question about the numbers.
 
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M Prod said:
Annual numbers aside, currently Covid-19 is killing more people on a daily basis than anything else. So I believe that quantifies as the number one cause of death at this time. We’ll see how the year plays out.
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What kind of analysis you doing? You can't just throw numbers 'aside' because you don't like them. Those numbers you want to toss 'aside' are the source of the average number you're comparing to, 1,774/deaths per day.

A fair comparison would be to compare the actual cov19 average daily deaths. I'll include all deaths thru May 12. There have been 83,425 deaths. I'll count the days starting with March 15th, a total of 59 days....83,425/59 = 1,414 deaths per day. To achieve a 2,000 death/day average I'd have to pretend this whole mess started on April 2nd. 83,425/41=2,035 deaths per day.

These are the daily deaths for yesterday 1,630, the day before that 1,324, the day before that 1,153, and the day before that 1,691. Like the graph that illustrates them in post #139 I see progress, something positive. I don't know what tomorrow or the next few weeks will bring, you can preach doom/gloom if you want...me, I'm going to wait and see. Don't think I'm not taking this serious, I am also in high risk.

I take care of my 97yo Aunt Julie. We're going to have a little parade drive through the assisted living parking lot and do a lot of waving and holler HI as we go by. Some police and fire dept vehicles will be tooting their horns and all that stuff. I told my Aunt about it and she said 'whoopee do, what BS, they got me locked up like I'm in jail'. If this goes much longer I think she'll be tryin' to escape through the duct work or something.:rolleyes:
 
These words are not mine as I would much rather copy and paste from someone smarter than me ;)

“I am seeing so much anxiety about resuming business, and so much anger about continued regulations. People are feeling the need to catapult to one side or the other, then fight the opposition.

Here’s my perspective, from a mainstream medical model. I think a lot of folks have fallen into the idea that social distancing was meant to stop the viral spread. It wasn’t-it was meant to SLOW it while we put medical infrastructure in place. It has worked. We have, in most parts, not been overwhelmed like we likely would have been without protective measures. In the meantime, our testing procedures have gotten better. We’ve increased our ventilator count. We’ve gotten a little better handle on PPE supply chains, and many have helped by making masks and gowns. It’s not perfect, but it’s much better than it was seven weeks ago.

A vaccine is a long way off and not everyone will choose to get it. That is their choice. At some point, people have to be systematically exposed to begin the building of (hopeful) herd immunity. We will likely begin to experience a real increase in cases after reopening. Ideally, that exposure is controlled and calculated, in phases, to allow our medical community to respond adequately, and reduce the number of severe or fatal cases. That’s where we are.

Whether you feel like opening is too soon, or not soon enough, we were never going to social distance this thing into nonexistence. You now need to proceed as your health, wallet, and conscience allow.

If you are medically vulnerable, you do not need to be a part of what is about to happen. Stay home if you can. If you’re not, or if your financial vulnerability trumps your health concerns, you need to proceed in ways that continue to protect yourself, and the elderly and medically vulnerable around you.

All of us need to calm down. Quit telling people who are financially struggling that they don’t care about human lives. Quit telling people who are truly at risk of dying from this virus that they are cowering in fear. Remember that until you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes, you should probably be careful in your judgements and subsequent harsh words.

We don’t HAVE to choose an either/or proposition and fight. We could choose other ways to be. Examples include but are not limited to:

“I think this may be too soon, so I will continue to shelter myself, and pray/make masks/ check on those who can’t.”

“I really need to go back to work, so I will do so, but I will be careful and try to protect myself, my family, and those around me with healthy strategies.”

See how those positions allow each of us to do what we need to, and also respect those who are choosing differently?

One thing that allows us to do this is humility. I can acknowledge that I am not an epidemiologist/economist/whatever, that I am making decisions based on my understanding of complex subjects and my own personal health and financial situation, that I am not all knowing, always right, and an expert in all fields, and that each person around me is doing their best too. We can make different choices and still be a supportive community. We can learn and evolve in our understanding of these issues.

Give one another the benefit of the doubt and the compassion of compromise.”
 
Woody said:
What kind of analysis you doing? You can't just throw numbers 'aside' because you don't like them. Those numbers you want to toss 'aside' are the source of the average number you're comparing to, 1,774/deaths per day.

A fair comparison would be to compare the actual cov19 average daily deaths. I'll include all deaths thru May 12. There have been 83,425 deaths. I'll count the days starting with March 15th, a total of 59 days....83,425/59 = 1,414 deaths per day. To achieve a 2,000 death/day average I'd have to pretend this whole mess started on April 2nd. 83,425/41=2,035 deaths per day.

These are the daily deaths for yesterday 1,630, the day before that 1,324, the day before that 1,153, and the day before that 1,691. Like the graph that illustrates them in post #139 I see progress, something positive. I don't know what tomorrow or the next few weeks will bring, you can preach doom/gloom if you want...me, I'm going to wait and see. Don't think I'm not taking this serious, I am also in high risk.

I take care of my 97yo Aunt Julie. We're going to have a little parade drive through the assisted living parking lot and do a lot of waving and holler HI as we go by. Some police and fire dept vehicles will be tooting their horns and all that stuff. I told my Aunt about it and she said 'whoopee do, what BS, they got me locked up like I'm in jail'. If this goes much longer I think she'll be tryin' to escape through the duct work or something.:rolleyes:
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What are you accusing me of? We can’t compare Covid numbers to those annual numbers because we don’t have them yet. So annual numbers aside. And I guess it depends on what time frame you want to take the sampling from. Most recent 3 weeks? Sure is. Is there an improvement as of late? It appears so but too early to establish a trend. As I ended my post “we’ll see how the year plays out”.

Anyway I’m not the Covid nazi. I thought Henry was unfairly called out and accused. I understood what he was saying.

No one is preaching doom and gloom Woody. I also hope for the best but am cautiously optimistic.
 
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M Prod said:
What are you accusing me of? We can’t compare Covid numbers to those annual numbers because we don’t have them yet. So annual numbers aside. And I guess it depends on what time frame you want to take the sampling from. Most recent 3 weeks? Sure is. Is there an improvement as of late? It appears so but too early to establish a trend. As I ended my post “we’ll see how the year plays out”.

Anyway I’m not the Covid nazi. I thought Henry was unfairly called out and accused. I understood what he was saying.

No one is preaching doom and gloom Woody. I also hope for the best but am cautiously optimistic.
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All you have to do is LOOK who is calling Henry out. That says all you need to know. BTW I've known Henry Boyd on here for years, he's a darn good guy that doesn't deserve the constant BS that the Retard El Capitan spews out;)
 
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