The truth about wearing a mask -finally

Golfman25 said:
So this was the first time in human history that we have dealt with an infectious disease where wearing a mask would help prevent me from infecting you. We just learned that? Good to know.
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This is why so many do not believe and actively resist wearing masks. WHO and CDC have never before promoted mask use for respiratory disease before now and did not in the current situation until political pressure was applied.

If one cannot see and understand the political pressure that was put on them until they toed the line you are not looking.

As for science, it too can be and is politicized. Otherwise more at risk Americans would have been taking Hydorcloroguinie. Which has been used safely for other needs and was researched 15 years ago and found effective against a previous incarnation of Chinese bat flu...
 
Henry Boyd said:
How do you conclude that? Things changed as more was learned. Government uses the best information at its disposal at the time they make regulations.
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Do you think the government didn’t know:
Smoking caused cancer
Smoking and alcohol didn’t harm the fetus
Asbestos caused cancer
Lead was poison
Roundup caused cancer allegedly still
Miners get black lung
Masks didn’t work when Covid hit us.
Lobbyist played a big part in this and the govt did nothing....if that’s not incompetent what is?
 
MonacoMike said:
This is why so many do not believe and actively resist wearing masks. WHO and CDC have never before promoted mask use for respiratory disease before now and did not in the current situation until political pressure was applied.

If one cannot see and understand the political pressure that was put on them until they toed the line you are not looking.

As for science, it too can be and is politicized. Otherwise more at risk Americans would have been taking Hydorcloroguinie. Which has been used safely for other needs and was researched 15 years ago and found effective against a previous incarnation of Chinese bat flu...
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Oh, you mean the miracle drug the FDA finally withdrew emergency approval of because the risks of fatality caused by the use exceeded the benefits?
 
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Blueone said:
Do you think the government didn’t know:
Smoking caused cancer
Smoking and alcohol didn’t harm the fetus
Asbestos caused cancer
Lead was poison
Roundup caused cancer allegedly still
Miners get black lung
Masks didn’t work when Covid hit us.
Lobbyist played a big part in this and the govt did nothing....if that’s not incompetent what is?
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Sure they didn’t know these things in 1800. But as knowledge increased things changed. I guess for you the perfect solution is to stop all science and learning so you don’t have to change your way of thinking. Suggest you sell your Sea Ray and get a log raft and pole.

BTW, since all these things bother you, what have you done in your life to effect change? Write a letter to the editor? Write to your congressman? Donate to American Cancer Society? Support the Obama Administration’s effort To reduce American demand for coal? Done anything to support AA? I doubt it. But, you’re real good at grumbling about the incompetent government you elected on the internet.
 
Henry Boyd said:
Oh, you mean the miracle drug the FDA finally I threw emergency approval of because the risks of fatality caused by the use exceeded the benefits?
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Can you explain why they only conducted "studies" on hospitalized patients, who we know are in grave danger once they enter the hospital? Why haven't they studied it's use (along with zinc and/or azithromycin) on mildly symptomatic patients to keep them from reaching the hospital?
 
Golfman25 said:
Can you explain why they only conducted "studies" on hospitalized patients, who we know are in grave danger once they enter the hospital? Why haven't they studied it's use (along with zinc and/or azithromycin) on mildly symptomatic patients to keep them from reaching the hospital?
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Maybe because this disease was virtually unknown to the US medical science community 4-5 months ago and it takes time to run scientific studies. But since you’re smarter than the medical community why don’t you give us your best tin foil hat theory?
 
Henry Boyd said:
Maybe because this disease was virtually unknown to the US medical science community 4-5 months ago and it takes time to run scientific studies. But since you’re smarter than the medical community why don’t you give us your best tin foil hat theory?
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Easy. Money and politics.
 
Blueone said:
@Henry Boyd I like how you debate... you’re right and everyone else is wrong :)
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When people argue that you're smarter than the "experts" you know you're on the right side of the equation. Blindly following experts, without questioning them and debate, is not a great idea.
 
Blueone said:
@Henry Boyd I like how you debate... you’re right and everyone else is wrong :)
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Not quite accurate, I try to use facts to support my arguments. Why don't you try that some time.

BTW, Blue I do love how you posit a theory and when asked to support it you immediately deflect with some off topic comeback. As I recall that's a sure sign you can't support the position.

Rather than personally attack me why don't you try and defend your position. Still waiting to hear what you have done to prevent "incompetent government" besides ranting on the internet.
 
To preface this, I have not read this whole thread, so maybe y'all have all ready discussed this. I don't know who the author is and if there is any science to it, but it kinda makes since to me. Just thought it was appropriate for this thread.

"I am OSHA 10 & 30 certified. I know some of you are too. I don’t really know WHY OSHA hasn’t come forward and stopped the nonsense BUT I want to cover 3 things
• N95 masks and masks with exhale ports
• surgical masks
• filter or cloth masks
Okay, so upon further inspection, OSHA says some masks are okay and not okay in certain situations.
If you’re working with fumes and aerosol chemicals and you give your employees the wrong masks and they get sick, you can be sued.
• N95 masks: are designed for CONTAMINATED environments. That means when you exhale through N95 the design is that you are exhaling into contamination. The exhale from N95 masks are vented to breath straight out without filtration. They don’t filter the air on the way out. They don’t need to.
Conclusion: if you’re in Target and the guy with Covid has a N95 mask, his covid breath is unfiltered being exhaled into Target (because it was designed for already contaminated environments, it’s not filtering your air on the way out).
• Surgical Mask: these masks were designed and approved for STERILE environments. The amount of particles and contaminants in the outside and indoor environments where people are CLOGGING these masks very, VERY quickly. The moisture from your breath combined with the clogged mask will render it “useless” IF you come in contact with Covid and your mask traps it, YOU become a walking virus dispenser. Everytime you put your mask on you are breathing the germs from EVERYWHERE you went. They should be changed or thrown out every “20-30 minutes in a non sterile environment.”
• Cloth masks: I can’t even believe I’m having to explain this, but here it goes. Today, three people pointed to their masks as they walked by me entering Lowe’s. They said “ya gotta wear your mask BRO” I said very clearly “those masks don’t work bro, in fact they MAKE you sicker” they “pshh’d” me. By now hopefully you all know CLOTH masks do not filter anything. You mean the American flag one my aunt made? Yes. The one with sunflowers that looks so cute? Yes. The bandanna, the cut up t-shirt, the scarf ALL of them offer NO FILTERING whatsoever. As you exhale, you are ridding your lungs of contaminants and carbon dioxide. Cloth masks trap this carbon dioxide the best. It actually risks your health, rather than protect it. The moisture caught in these masks can become mildew ridden over night. Dry coughing, enhanced allergies, sore throat are all symptoms of a micro-mold in your mask.
-Ultimate Answer:
*N95 blows the virus into the air from a contaminated person.
*The surgical mask is not designed for the outside world and will not filter the virus upon inhaling through it. It’s filtration works on the exhale, (Like a vacuum bag, it only works one way) but likely stops after 20 minutes, rendering it useless outside of a STERILE ENVIRONMENT (correct Becky, they don’t work in a bar, not even a little bit).
*Cloth masks are WORSE than none. It’s equivalent to using a chain link fence to stop mosquitos.
The CDC wants us to keep wearing masks. The masks don’t work. They’re being used to provide false comfort and push forward a specific agenda. For the love of God, research each mask’s designed use and purpose, I bet you will find NONE are used in the way of “viral defense.”
Just like EVERY Flu season kids, wash your hands. Sanitize your hands. Don’t touch stuff. Sanitize your phone. Don’t touch people. And keep your distance. Why? Because your breath stinks, your deodorant is failing, your shoes are old and stink, that shirt’s not clean, & I like my space. Trust me I can hear you from here. Lots of reasons to keep your distance and work on body hygiene. But trust me, the masks DO NOT WORK!
*Occupational Safety & Hazard Association sited.
The top American organization for safety.
They regulate and educate asbestos workers, surgical rooms, you name it.
I know, facts suck. They throw a wrench into the perfectly (seeming) packaged pill you are willingly swallowing. Facts make you have to form your OWN OPINION, instead of regurgitating someone else’s, and I know how uncomfortable that makes a lot of you. If your mask gives you security, by all means wear it. Just know it is a false sense of security and you shouldn’t shame anyone into partaking in such “conspiracies.”
If select politicians stopped enforcing it, no one would continue this nonsense. Don’t drink the kool-aid!!"
 
Golfman25 said:
When people argue that you're smarter than the "experts" you know you're on the right side of the equation. Blindly following experts, without questioning them and debate, is not a great idea.
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Fair point about blindly following experts. I've been waiting for someone in this thread to provide a science based rebuttal to the notion that wearing masks does prevent the spread of Covid. All the experts seem to be saying the same thing; that masks work in the prevention of spreading the Covid infection. None of the masks are bad crowd seems to be able to come up with anything more than deflection and changing the topic.

The very study that was selectively quoted by El Capitan, as "proof" that masks did not prevent the spread of Covid (but actually concluded the opposite, that they do work) has been ignored, as well as other material from scientific sources supporting the notion that masks prevent the wearer from spreading the infection. Hell, Boat Guy even posted an informal experiment done in a lab that illustrated with pictures that masks prevent exhaled air contamination.
 
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Golfman25 said:
So this was the first time in human history that we have dealt with an infectious disease where wearing a mask would help prevent me from infecting you. We just learned that? Good to know.
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Actually, it isn't the first time. See the history of the 1918 Flu Pandemic:
https://www.history.com/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance
Even though masks were more primitive than even the cloth masks used now and there was a lack of sophisticated data-gathering, localities that had strong public health measures including masking fared better than those that did not. There was also a certain amount of resistance but more about discomfort than politics. It wasn't known whether masking was protecting the wearer or others, just that it helped reduce spread, which is still true today.

Another difference from history that's relevant to masking is how covid spreads pre- or a- symptomatically. Most viruses become spreadable at the same time the victim develops symptoms. This makes it easier for spreaders to identify themselves and for the heath system to intervene and recommend quarantine. With covid, a large number of folks are out and about with no idea they can spread, thus the importance of everyone wearing masks.
 
alnav said:
Analysis of the mask box label issue from an apparently even-handed source:
Mask box label is legitimate, but people are misinterpreting it
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...able-homemade-masks-are-effective-stopping-a/

Also see their analysis of a governor's authority to mandate masking under law and regulation:
Yes, Gov. Newsom has the authority to make masks mandatory In California, legal experts say
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...v-newsom-has-authority-make-masks-mandatory-/
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Consider the source folks. They are not the source of truth nor facts.
 
JimG said:
To preface this, I have not read this whole thread, so maybe y'all have all ready discussed this. I don't know who the author is and if there is any science to it, but it kinda makes since to me. Just thought it was appropriate for this thread.

"I am OSHA 10 & 30 certified. I know some of you are too. I don’t really know WHY OSHA hasn’t come forward and stopped the nonsense BUT I want to cover 3 things
• N95 masks and masks with exhale ports
• surgical masks
• filter or cloth masks
Okay, so upon further inspection, OSHA says some masks are okay and not okay in certain situations.
If you’re working with fumes and aerosol chemicals and you give your employees the wrong masks and they get sick, you can be sued.
• N95 masks: are designed for CONTAMINATED environments. That means when you exhale through N95 the design is that you are exhaling into contamination. The exhale from N95 masks are vented to breath straight out without filtration. They don’t filter the air on the way out. They don’t need to.
Conclusion: if you’re in Target and the guy with Covid has a N95 mask, his covid breath is unfiltered being exhaled into Target (because it was designed for already contaminated environments, it’s not filtering your air on the way out).
• Surgical Mask: these masks were designed and approved for STERILE environments. The amount of particles and contaminants in the outside and indoor environments where people are CLOGGING these masks very, VERY quickly. The moisture from your breath combined with the clogged mask will render it “useless” IF you come in contact with Covid and your mask traps it, YOU become a walking virus dispenser. Everytime you put your mask on you are breathing the germs from EVERYWHERE you went. They should be changed or thrown out every “20-30 minutes in a non sterile environment.”
• Cloth masks: I can’t even believe I’m having to explain this, but here it goes. Today, three people pointed to their masks as they walked by me entering Lowe’s. They said “ya gotta wear your mask BRO” I said very clearly “those masks don’t work bro, in fact they MAKE you sicker” they “pshh’d” me. By now hopefully you all know CLOTH masks do not filter anything. You mean the American flag one my aunt made? Yes. The one with sunflowers that looks so cute? Yes. The bandanna, the cut up t-shirt, the scarf ALL of them offer NO FILTERING whatsoever. As you exhale, you are ridding your lungs of contaminants and carbon dioxide. Cloth masks trap this carbon dioxide the best. It actually risks your health, rather than protect it. The moisture caught in these masks can become mildew ridden over night. Dry coughing, enhanced allergies, sore throat are all symptoms of a micro-mold in your mask.
-Ultimate Answer:
*N95 blows the virus into the air from a contaminated person.
*The surgical mask is not designed for the outside world and will not filter the virus upon inhaling through it. It’s filtration works on the exhale, (Like a vacuum bag, it only works one way) but likely stops after 20 minutes, rendering it useless outside of a STERILE ENVIRONMENT (correct Becky, they don’t work in a bar, not even a little bit).
*Cloth masks are WORSE than none. It’s equivalent to using a chain link fence to stop mosquitos.
The CDC wants us to keep wearing masks. The masks don’t work. They’re being used to provide false comfort and push forward a specific agenda. For the love of God, research each mask’s designed use and purpose, I bet you will find NONE are used in the way of “viral defense.”
Just like EVERY Flu season kids, wash your hands. Sanitize your hands. Don’t touch stuff. Sanitize your phone. Don’t touch people. And keep your distance. Why? Because your breath stinks, your deodorant is failing, your shoes are old and stink, that shirt’s not clean, & I like my space. Trust me I can hear you from here. Lots of reasons to keep your distance and work on body hygiene. But trust me, the masks DO NOT WORK!
*Occupational Safety & Hazard Association sited.
The top American organization for safety.
They regulate and educate asbestos workers, surgical rooms, you name it.
I know, facts suck. They throw a wrench into the perfectly (seeming) packaged pill you are willingly swallowing. Facts make you have to form your OWN OPINION, instead of regurgitating someone else’s, and I know how uncomfortable that makes a lot of you. If your mask gives you security, by all means wear it. Just know it is a false sense of security and you shouldn’t shame anyone into partaking in such “conspiracies.”
If select politicians stopped enforcing it, no one would continue this nonsense. Don’t drink the kool-aid!!"
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Good points about the N95. And as an FYI the recommendation is, and has been, for the use of a cloth mask, not N95. As for cloth masks can you cite a medical study, or finding, that refutes the conclusions from the study that was quoted in the first post, or the study published in the Lancet recently that supports masks do prevent the spread? As well as the informal experiment attached to Boat Guys recent post?
 
El Capitan said:
Consider the source folks. They are not the source of truth nor facts.
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Who says? You? Got any proof? Oh I get it, its the deep state shadow government space alien full moon pyramid magic masonic cabal influence conspiracy. So if a liberal says, 2+2=4 its false because a liberal said it right?
 
alnav said:
Actually, it isn't the first time. See the history of the 1918 Flu Pandemic:
https://www.history.com/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance
Even though masks were more primitive than even the cloth masks used now and there was a lack of sophisticated data-gathering, localities that had strong public health measures including masking fared better than those that did not. There was also a certain amount of resistance but more about discomfort than politics. It wasn't known whether masking was protecting the wearer or others, just that it helped reduce spread, which is still true today.

Another difference from history that's relevant to masking is how covid spreads pre- or a- symptomatically. Most viruses become spreadable at the same time the victim develops symptoms. This makes it easier for spreaders to identify themselves and for the heath system to intervene and recommend quarantine. With covid, a large number of folks are out and about with no idea they can spread, thus the importance of everyone wearing masks.
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Thanks for making my point. The "experts" knew (or should have known) that masks where a way of potentially reducing the spread of the virus. Some Asian countries regularly wear masks for this purpose. Yet neither Jesus Fauci, or any other "expert," got on TV and said "wear a mask to reduce the spread" for several weeks/months into this. Instead they told me to wash my hands and work from home. Now they say, never mind, surface contact is that much of a problem, and wear a mask. Sorry if I am skeptical of so called "experts."
 
Henry Boyd said:
Good points about the N95. And as an FYI the recommendation is, and has been, for the use of a cloth mask, not N95. As for cloth masks can you cite a medical study, or finding, that refutes the conclusions from the study that was quoted in the first post, or the study published in the Lancet recently that supports masks do prevent the spread? As well as the informal experiment attached to Boat Guys recent post?
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As I prefaced, I don't know the author or what science is behind the statements... just something I ran across and thought it made since to me.
 
Golfman25 said:
Thanks for making my point. The "experts" knew (or should have known) that masks where a way of potentially reducing the spread of the virus. Some Asian countries regularly wear masks for this purpose. Yet neither Jesus Fauci, or any other "expert," got on TV and said "wear a mask to reduce the spread" for several weeks/months into this. Instead they told me to wash my hands and work from home. Now they say, never mind, surface contact is that much of a problem, and wear a mask. Sorry if I am skeptical of so called "experts."
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Video interview with Dr. Fauci. He explains the circumstances and reasoning for both the current and previous recommendations and is open about the difference:
https://www.thestreet.com/video/dr-fauci-masks-changing-directive-coronavirus

I don't quite understand your point. It seems it's that, having taken a previous position, a public figure is never allowed to change it? If he/she changes it, no matter what the circumstances, then the person can never be trusted again?
 
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