Face Shields..

I 100% disagree with your 1st statement, but also 100% agree with the second.

My healthcare through my employer is not paid for by a 3rd party. It is a benefit that I choose from a list of options. One of which being, "None.". Our company gives us a certain number of credits based on salary that we can apply to our benefits. If I choose to opt out of the company provided healthcare, those credits will be paid to me thought the year in my pay check. I chose a plan, so I pay for it with those credits. Our company uses a total target compensating system so when we offer a position to a person we spell out how much of their compensation is actual salary and the number of credits that they get it for other benefits. Some of the alternatives to health care that I could have chosen would be things like long term disability at a higher percentage of my pay, extra weeks of vacation, etc... I get regular physicals and have no underlying concerns at the moment, so I chose a plan with a $3K out of pocket limit. If I don't get sick, I pretty much end up paying for everything myself (actually an 80/20 split) their negotiated rates. I'm single, so the company puts $1500 in my HSA every year. I contribute another $50 to it every month because my ex wife had some major surgeries before we divorced and the balance was low. My surgery last October was slightly over $11k after the plan negotiated discounts. My portion was $3k. All came out of my HSA, so the impact to my regular cash flow was zero. The company is really not paying for it, I paid for it, but I get the benefit of being in the risk pool that the company belongs to, which lowers the rate. There were other plans that pay out a lot more, but I might actually have to contribute some money every paycheck to buy them. This arrangement in no way impedes anyone else's ability to get Health Care at a reasonable cost and is not part of the problem.

They really need to allow insurance companies to offer their services across state lines oh, so that no areas end up with only one choice as described above. Eliminating the monopolies is the way to drive the prices down.

Back on track for this thread are silly Governor has implemented the mask mandate for everywhere that social distancing is not possible. I needed to get out last night so I took a little ride around town and noticed that a lot of places had people drinking and dining outside. I noticed that the employees were wearing masks, but not most of the patrons even though they were less than 6 feet apart. It appears that folks are taking it literally and saying I don't have to wear a mask here because social distancing is possible. They are just not doing it. Unreal.

You disagree that letting consumers pick and pay for the plan would not make insurers and providers step up in cost and service? You have the type of plan I said would help. I think we agree but you are fearful politicians will not give you the break promised when all is done. A deserved concern they have earned...
 
Masks apply to you unless you go to Lewis’ funeral

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Interesting. Do you know what state that took place in? In Maryland, the Grand Lodge has forbidden gatherings of that size. We've lost a couple of brothers that we haven't been able to pay proper homage to since this all started. None Covid related.

Edit: I did not know he was a Mason. Did a little checking. It was in Atlanta. They're obviously operating under different edicts down there. Masks, and gloves are mandatory in Maryland with gatherings restricted to 50% of the area's stated fire occupancy. Quite a few of them are not masked in that photo. Taking a risk IMO considering their ages.
 
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You disagree that letting consumers pick and pay for the plan would not make insurers and providers step up in cost and service? You have the type of plan I said would help. I think we agree but you are fearful politicians will not give you the break promised when all is done. A deserved concern they have earned...
I think I misunderstood what you said. I was under the impression that you thought having employers providing HC plans to their employees was the root of the issue. Were you really saying that the root of the problem was having the insurance companies pay the providers? If so, then I did misinterpret what you said.
 
Masks apply to you unless you go to Lewis’ funeral

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"And yes, everyone properly wore their masks for the service, only removing them for the photos."
 
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John Lewis Funeral Brings Georgia's Grand Lodges Together
"And yes, everyone properly wore their masks for the service, only removing them for the photos."
Oh please not everyone.... masks and social distancing .... we are limited to 10 in a public room and we have a republican governor in Ohio. It’s time to stop the bullshit. This is good for you but not me mentality is getting to be too much..... what everyone held their breath?
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Now do

49.8 million. Look it up yourself. Canada 3.8. Not here to argue but look it up.
I'm not sure what you want me to look up. I just looked at total tests through Sunday. Canada 109,698 per million population, USA 180,977 per million population. The USA is testing at a rate 1.65 times that of Canada.

My comment was a response to this post, the two countries are not testing at 'almost exactly' the same level.
Dude, do you realize that as a percentage of the population that is almost exactly the same level of testing?
 
I was cracking up yesterday. Some idiot was walking out of Trader Joe's with a mask and a face shield on. These sheep are absolutely pitiful. Hitler would have loved them.
 
I am doing what the Canadian Health Authorities recommend. Full stop. I have trust in our system in Canada and that is because its working here. Our numbers of cases and hospitalizations re down and our economies are slowly opening. Its working because many more Canadians are following the recommendations than are not. Something is very different in the US. I don't think its because Americans are more susceptible to COVID-19. Its what you are doing that is different.

Americans have a long history of independence and fierce opposition to government over reach ingrained in them.
It’s what the country was founded on.
That exists across the political spectrum.
Currently, a portion of the left is engaged in resistance and mass demonstrations, and some of the right is rebelling against the idea of government mandates and restrictions.
All of that will impact Covid numbers, but most Americans have a strong belief that it’s the price of Freedom.
While many countries around the globe are free societies, living free and choice is vitally important to most here.
While both sides often have their own ideas about what freedom actually is, they are usually united in the belief that it is the most important thing our country has to offer.
Freedom is to most Americans what religion is to many Muslim countries.
 
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You don't seem to believe that I an a die hard conservative (Canadian style, not Tea Party). Less government, less tax, basic level of support for those that need it, but not for those that don't. The one major difference is that I believe the Canadian health care system is a better model than the US. Taking a huge profit element out of the system reduces costs for everyone, and allows the less fortunate to have access to better care. That is not socialism Bernie Sanders style. But that is not what you asked.

I have told you before I NEVER watch CNN anymore. Never. I don't go on their web site and I don't get feeds. They are too left wing biased. I did watch CNN and FOX during the election, and at times through the impeachment to get both perspectives, but not now. Both of them are so polarized that they might as well put the DNC and GOP logo's on their screens.

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Your two points above highlight the difference between a “conservative” Canadian and most Americans.

While a Conservative Canadian will endorse a government run healthcare system, even Centrist Americans object to it because they want freedom of choice even if it costs a bit more. That freedom is more important to them.

While some Canadians, and citizens of other countries around the globe, seem to follow US politics closely, most Americans don’t care enough about other countries internal political affairs enough to follow them as closely and often resent it when non US citizens outside the US pass judgement or interfere with American politics.
They often disagree when their own government interferes with governments of other countries without provocation or absent a threat to American security.
I’ll bet that most Americans couldn’t name the person your current Prime Minister ran against in his last election or could tell you much else about him without resorting to Google.
 
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Americans have a long history of independence and fierce opposition to government over reach ingrained in them.
It’s what the country was founded on.
That exists across the political spectrum.
Currently, a portion of the left is engaged in resistance and mass demonstrations, and some of the right is rebelling against the idea of government mandates and restrictions.
All of that will impact Covid numbers, but most Americans have a strong belief that it’s the price of Freedom.
While many countries around the globe are free societies, living free and choice is vitally important to most here.
Freedom is to most Americans what religion is to many Muslim countries.

I think this is about the best summation of the situation I've read across all the forums I'm involved with, really good stuff.

To @Creekwood 's point, my wife is Canadian(Alberta) and I've been interested to watch and hear the difference of opinions and methodology at play. JVM's post really sums up the overwhelming difference in the two societies.

I would go to say that for better or worse American politics is played out on a global stage because US media is broadcast around the world. My Canadian family and friends have far more to say about politics here than at home. Unfortunately unless you live in the States will you have a full grasp of the nuances in US politics and policy, and further that unless one lives in a border state I doubt seriously the majority of Americans could name the Prime Minister of Canada, let alone any Premier's or MPs.
 
Question for those that have purchased masks and face shields.
Did you pay a sale tax?
 
I think this is about the best summation of the situation I've read across all the forums I'm involved with, really good stuff.

To @Creekwood 's point, my wife is Canadian(Alberta) and I've been interested to watch and hear the difference of opinions and methodology at play. JVM's post really sums up the overwhelming difference in the two societies.

I would go to say that for better or worse American politics is played out on a global stage because US media is broadcast around the world. My Canadian family and friends have far more to say about politics here than at home. Unfortunately unless you live in the States will you have a full grasp of the nuances in US politics and policy, and further that unless one lives in a border state I doubt seriously the majority of Americans could name the Prime Minister of Canada, let alone any Premier's or MPs.

Spot on!
Americans are more complex than most outsiders would believe.
While I personally strongly disagree with the ideology of the people on the left who have taken to streets in protest over the last few months, I will fiercely defend their right to peaceably do so.
I also believe that going beyond peaceably protesting by assaulting others, stifling opposing points of view, restricting free flow of individuals or traffic, and damaging property that doesn’t belong to you is criminal and people who engage in that behavior should be prosecuted. Not only do those actions violate our morals, but they are also an assault on the rights and freedoms of others.
 
I was wondering how many people might have accidents because they are wearing a face shield?

I use one when I am working in my wood shop or in the garage. I've had them fall off or get knocked off of my head at inopportune times. The little adjuster tabs have let loose causing me to have to abruptly stop in the middle of cutting operation to catch it before it hit the blade. Loosing control of the material being cut at the wrong time can be a disaster. I once saw a video where a guy was using an industrial table saw had a kickback where it shot a piece of hard maple across the shop and lodge itself in a cinder block wall. Let's not forget the darn things fogging up, particularly when wearing a mask at the same time. And then there's the sudden complete lack of visibility when they get wet and have droplets all over it.

Once again, I think that the government has gone just a little too far.
 
Face Shields are coming..Fauci and Birx are now recommended them

Don't wear a mask
Wear a mask
Wear a mask to protect others
Wear a mask to protect others and now we recommend wearing a face shield to protect yourself

So I'm gonna safely assume that all the pro mask people will start wearing face shields now, right? I mean the government recommened them for your protection just like mask and they use science and data. So if you, the pro mask people, don't wear the face shields because it's ridiculous then you don't believe in science and wanna kill yourself.

This is how it works, right?
I went back to look at what started this thread. Turns out it was fake news. What Dr. Fauci actually said in response to a question:
"If you have goggles or an eye shield, you should use it. It's not universally recommended, but if you really want to be complete, you should probably use it if you can."
Here's what the notoriously leftist Forbes had to say about the nothingburger:
"his advice was more of the following vein: if you already have them, you might as well use them."
 
I went back to look at what started this thread. Turns out it was fake news. What Dr. Fauci actually said in response to a question:
"If you have goggles or an eye shield, you should use it. It's not universally recommended, but if you really want to be complete, you should probably use it if you can."
Here's what the notoriously leftist Forbes had to say about the nothingburger:
"his advice was more of the following vein: if you already have them, you might as well use them."
Got it. So you selectively use his advice. Birx also recommend it too but you’re right it’s fake news..

Do you own goggles or a shield? If so then you should wear it cuz science and data says it protects you.
 
Just got this in an email after a question came up to our business group regarding mask usage (I can't verify the accuracy):

I was just informed by a strong source yesterday, who has regular meetings with Osha, that companies should be leery of having employees wear masks “all the time” as mandatory. There is now bacterial infections looming from people wearing masks all the time, and the employer can be held liable for the sickness of their employee due to mandatory masks “all the time.” Osha apparently is suggesting wearing masks only when within 6 feet of other people, and pull the mask down when working or being alone, that fresh air is as important to protect the employee’s health. Osha also highly suggests “mask breaks.”
 
Here in Wi my girls are supposed to play volleyball in a mask. Ever tried that? We tried last night and the sweat is the problem, not "I can't breathe". I suppose I will bring them all face shields tonight from my office and see how that goes :)
 

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