George Floyd

Really? Trump has threatened to bring in the National Guard to put an end to the looting but the Dem leadership is pushing back. The dems are loving this and encouraging it. The democratic mayors and governors of these big cities are ordering police to stay away and let them do as they wish with no consequences. Rich leftist are funding these groups and hoping for it to get worse. Bottom line is if people obeyed police commands everyone would still be alive the next morning. Unless you have worked in law enforcement and been in these situations it is hard to understand. Police cannot read minds. Every one of these police shootings had one thing in common...the suspect disobeying police commands. When you give a command and the suspect disobeys and this suspect is a known violent felon and tazers are ineffective then the suspect goes to his car and opens the door and reaches down to the floor, well I think most police officers would have fired in self defense. The difference is law enforcement is not required to retreat and can launch a preemptive strike, where a private citizen cannot.
 
There are literally millions upon millions of black people in America that are not looting and want nothing to do with violent protests. But they have faced racism and are behind what BLM stands for in some ways, but not all ways. But it is front and center and has the microphone, so they are using it. The danger they face in aligning with part of the BLM agenda, is that they get accused of supporting looting and violent protests. Like what I am seeing in this discussion. Maybe those that are posting here, actually have talked with their black friends, co-workers, neighbors about it and understand their views as well. But I suspect many of you posting haven't talked to them to try to understand.

Its unfortunate that you have an election process going on that will not let ANYTHING get done about the protests and violence. It is in the GOP's best interest for it to escalate because they have heavily invested in a polarized fear mongering election platform that is central to the law and order messaging.

Ironically all of this is occurring under Trump's leadership and policies. Its amazing that he is using news footage of events that are occurring now, under his leadership, as a campaign platform for a prediction of what might happen under Biden's leadership. But he is not doing anything about it. He is in charge now. So he should be able to stop it now and demonstrate how his law and order agenda will end it all right now. If he can't do it now, how can he do it starting in January 2021?

I really wish that the GOP had a better choice back in 2016. I fear that you are actually going to lose conservative government leadership in the US because of Donald Trump. And in the meantime, he has stirred up more racial division since the 1960s that he has no solution for. If he has a solution, he has not done a good job articulating it.
Obama is the common denominator.... and how do you speak for millions upon millions of blacks?... I can’t even do that and I live here
 
There are literally millions upon millions of black people in America that are not looting and want nothing to do with violent protests. But they have faced racism and are behind what BLM stands for in some ways, but not all ways. But it is front and center and has the microphone, so they are using it. The danger they face in aligning with part of the BLM agenda, is that they get accused of supporting looting and violent protests. Like what I am seeing in this discussion. Maybe those that are posting here, actually have talked with their black friends, co-workers, neighbors about it and understand their views as well. But I suspect many of you posting haven't talked to them to try to understand.

Its unfortunate that you have an election process going on that will not let ANYTHING get done about the protests and violence. It is in the GOP's best interest for it to escalate because they have heavily invested in a polarized fear mongering election platform that is central to the law and order messaging.

Ironically all of this is occurring under Trump's leadership and policies. Its amazing that he is using news footage of events that are occurring now, under his leadership, as a campaign platform for a prediction of what might happen under Biden's leadership. But he is not doing anything about it. He is in charge now. So he should be able to stop it now and demonstrate how his law and order agenda will end it all right now. If he can't do it now, how can he do it starting in January 2021?

I really wish that the GOP had a better choice back in 2016. I fear that you are actually going to lose conservative government leadership in the US because of Donald Trump. And in the meantime, he has stirred up more racial division since the 1960s that he has no solution for. If he has a solution, he has not done a good job articulating it.


Your basic premise is wrong. Many of us have black friends and have talked to them.

What you don't see is that the street violence was manufactured by the dems to trap Trump. What they wanted was for him to react with federal resources to shut down the "peaceful" protests. Then, they would have their video and images of the "peaceful" protestors being mistreated. It was a good trap and if successful.....Biden would be elected President.

You may not like Trump but he is smart. He saw what they were doing and just sat back and ordered popcorn. Now the dems can't control the violence and public opinion has gone to Trump. Trump is up 9 points with blacks, overall has a 52% favorable rating and is trending up.

The dems own the violence and cannot stop it because they failed to denounce it. It will stop though once Trump is re-elected and the dems lose the House.

64 days to go.
 
Your basic premise is wrong. Many of us have black friends and have talked to them.

What you don't see is that the street violence was manufactured by the dems to trap Trump. What they wanted was for him to react with federal resources to shut down the "peaceful" protests. Then, they would have their video and images of the "peaceful" protestors being mistreated. It was a good trap and if successful.....Biden would be elected President.

You may not like Trump but he is smart. He saw what they were doing and just sat back and ordered popcorn. Now the dems can't control the violence and public opinion has gone to Trump. Trump is up 9 points with blacks, overall has a 52% favorable rating and is trending up.

The dems own the violence and cannot stop it because they failed to denounce it. It will stop though once Trump is re-elected and the dems lose the House.

64 days to go.
How do you still defend a man that was convicted of stealing $2 million dollars raised on behalf of veterans charities and instead funneled it into his re-election campaign? He’s no longer allowed to operate a charity in NY. His kids were punished too for being part of the scheme. This is twice he’s plead guilty to fraud since being elected, remember his $25 million dollar fraud settlement for Trump “University” months after taking office? I do.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/201...ed-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation
 
How do you still defend a man that was convicted of stealing $2 million dollars raised on behalf of veterans charities and instead funneled it into his re-election campaign? He’s no longer allowed to operate a charity in NY. His kids were punished too for being part of the scheme. This is twice he’s plead guilty to fraud since being elected, remember his $25 million dollar fraud settlement for Trump “University” months after taking office? I do.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/201...ed-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation
Good morning !!....and welcome aboard
 
How do you still defend a man that was convicted of stealing $2 million dollars raised on behalf of veterans charities and instead funneled it into his re-election campaign? He’s no longer allowed to operate a charity in NY. His kids were punished too for being part of the scheme. This is twice he’s plead guilty to fraud since being elected, remember his $25 million dollar fraud settlement for Trump “University” months after taking office? I do.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/201...ed-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation


This is your first post? You may want to make it your last. Trolls are not welcome here especially if they are ignorant and infected with TDS.
 
This is your first post? You may want to make it your last. Trolls are not welcome here especially if they are ignorant and infected with TDS.
Care to answer my question about why you still support a man who stole $2 million dollars from veterans charities in 2019? That’s TDS, huh, to question the president of the US pleading guilty to fraud?
 
Care to answer my question about why you still support a man who stole $2 million dollars from veterans charities in 2019? That’s TDS, huh, to question the president of the US pleading guilty to fraud?
No.... I don’t get sucked down holes... also go research a bit more. You are believing a narrative
 
And how much have the Clintons stolen? Obama? Oh, and Biden's brother is just as bad. > https://www.ellwoodcityledger.com/n...d-in-federal-lawsuit-involving-bidens-brother

Yeah, the hospital is now closed down and has been since last December. I can see this hospital from my deck. Doesn't mean brother Joe was involved but certainly doesn't help his cause.
What’s do the Clinton's and Obama’s have to do with Trump and his family being found guilty of stealing $2 million dollars last year from veterans charities?https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/201...ed-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation
 
Your basic premise is wrong. Many of us have black friends and have talked to them.

What you don't see is that the street violence was manufactured by the dems to trap Trump. What they wanted was for him to react with federal resources to shut down the "peaceful" protests. Then, they would have their video and images of the "peaceful" protestors being mistreated. It was a good trap and if successful.....Biden would be elected President.

You may not like Trump but he is smart. He saw what they were doing and just sat back and ordered popcorn. Now the dems can't control the violence and public opinion has gone to Trump. Trump is up 9 points with blacks, overall has a 52% favorable rating and is trending up.

The dems own the violence and cannot stop it because they failed to denounce it. It will stop though once Trump is re-elected and the dems lose the House.

64 days to go.
You have your conspiracy theory - Dems manufactured the violent protests.
I have mine - the current republican administration, at the direction of Trump, is not interested in addressing the violent demonstrations because it supports their election strategy.

Trump is smart. No question. He is able to play the American people like a fiddle. When he said he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it, he was right. Not because that would be right, ethical, moral or otherwise, but because he knows how to play the fiddle that is American politics.

I am going to sing the same tune - I believe in Conservative GOP principles. I am not sure that Trump knows what they are. And I do not believe Donald Trump has been good for America, or for the world.

Here is reminder of the Republican Oath:

I believe that the proper function of government is to do for the people those things that have to be done but cannot be done, or cannot be done as well by individuals, and that the most effective government is government closest to the people.

I believe that good government is based on the individual and that each person's ability, dignity, freedom and responsibility must be honored and recognized.

I believe that free enterprise and the encouragement of individual initiative and incentive have given this nation an economic system second to none.

I believe that sound money policy should be our goal.

I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin. I believe that persons with disabilities should be afforded equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity as well.

I believe we must retain those principles worth retaining, yet always be receptive to new ideas with an outlook broad enough to accommodate thoughtful change and varying points of view.

I believe that Americans value and should preserve their feeling of national strength and pride, and at the same time share with people everywhere a desire for peace and freedom and the extension of human rights throughout the world.

Finally, I believe that the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government.
 
You have your conspiracy theory - Dems manufactured the violent protests.
I have mine - the current republican administration, at the direction of Trump, is not interested in addressing the violent demonstrations because it supports their election strategy.

Trump is smart. No question. He is able to play the American people like a fiddle. When he said he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it, he was right. Not because that would be right, ethical, moral or otherwise, but because he knows how to play the fiddle that is American politics.

I am going to sing the same tune - I believe in Conservative GOP principles. I am not sure that Trump knows what they are. And I do not believe Donald Trump has been good for America, or for the world.

Here is reminder of the Republican Oath:

I believe that the proper function of government is to do for the people those things that have to be done but cannot be done, or cannot be done as well by individuals, and that the most effective government is government closest to the people.

I believe that good government is based on the individual and that each person's ability, dignity, freedom and responsibility must be honored and recognized.

I believe that free enterprise and the encouragement of individual initiative and incentive have given this nation an economic system second to none.

I believe that sound money policy should be our goal.

I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin. I believe that persons with disabilities should be afforded equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity as well.

I believe we must retain those principles worth retaining, yet always be receptive to new ideas with an outlook broad enough to accommodate thoughtful change and varying points of view.

I believe that Americans value and should preserve their feeling of national strength and pride, and at the same time share with people everywhere a desire for peace and freedom and the extension of human rights throughout the world.

Finally, I believe that the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government.


Well first off you don't have a dog in the fight since you can't vote in a US election. Second, no elected democrat condemned the violence for the last 90 days in dem led cities....NOT A SINGLE ONE.....and you think it is Trump's fault?

Now with polls showing that the American people don't like the violence and overwhelming reject the hallowed 2020 dem "Defund the Police" narrative......the dems are blaming Trump for the violence when they DID NOTHING in cities that they run to stop it.

Common sense tells you that the only way to stop the violence is much greater force. These people aren't protestors they are domestic terrorists. Tearing down monuments, attacking the police, rioting, looting and murder must be condemned by both parties. Dems endorsing this behavior is not a theory. Even Pelosi has said: "People do as they do." when they tore down a statute of Columbus and threw it into Baltimore harbor.

Get the facts right. The MSM paints a picture these are "peaceful" protestors. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
Well first off you don't have a dog in the fight since you can't vote in a US election. Second, no elected democrat condemned the violence for the last 90 days in dem led cities....NOT A SINGLE ONE.....and you think it is Trump's fault?

Now with polls showing that the American people don't like the violence and overwhelming reject the hallowed 2020 dem "Defund the Police" narrative......the dems are blaming Trump for the violence when they DID NOTHING in cities that they run to stop it.

Common sense tells you that the only way to stop the violence is much greater force. These people aren't protestors they are domestic terrorists. Tearing down monuments, attacking the police, rioting, looting and murder must be condemned by both parties. Dems endorsing this behavior is not a theory. Even Pelosi has said: "People do as they do." when they tore down a statute of Columbus and threw it into Baltimore harbor.

Get the facts right. The MSM paints a picture these are "peaceful" protestors. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Trumps America sounds awful. But let me get this straight; only he can save us from his America?
 
Care to answer my question about why you still support a man who stole $2 million dollars from veterans charities in 2019? That’s TDS, huh, to question the president of the US pleading guilty to fraud?

Since you asked.....the way a bulletin board works is by topics. This one is about the aftermath of George Floyd's unfortunate death. If you would like to post your question which has nothing to do with this topic in a new thread feel free.
 
Since you asked.....the way a bulletin board works is by topics. This one is about the aftermath of George Floyd's unfortunate death. If you would like to post your question which has nothing to do with this topic in a new thread feel free.
I wasn’t asking about topic threads, heck, I thought I was joining a boating forum. My question was, how do you still support a man who was found guilty of defrauding veterans charities of $2 million dollars?
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/201...ed-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation
 
Well first off you don't have a dog in the fight since you can't vote in a US election. Second, no elected democrat condemned the violence for the last 90 days in dem led cities....NOT A SINGLE ONE.....and you think it is Trump's fault?

Responding to your post;

Well first off you don't have a dog in the fight since you can't vote in a US election. Second, no elected democrat condemned the violence for the last 90 days in dem led cities....NOT A SINGLE ONE.....and you think it is Trump's fault?I do have a dog in the race, because the majority of my living family are Americans. And no, I cannot vote in the US, but I do have the right to post my views here.

The Dems are playing politics just like the GOP. By the way, you were the one that said that "What you don't see is that the street violence was manufactured by the dems to trap Trump." So is that your real view or what you are saying now. I do believe that the Dems in cities are also playing politics and are underreacting for the same reasons. Its all just f-ed up. But, I also believe that an inclusive President should be doing what he can to calm the waters, not fan the flames.

Trump is blaming the Dems for what is happening under his watch. He has had plenty of opportunity to try to bring calm and a message of unity and he has done none of that.


Now with polls showing that the American people don't like the violence and overwhelming reject the hallowed 2020 dem "Defund the Police" narrative......the dems are blaming Trump for the violence when they DID NOTHING in cities that they run to stop it.
Of course most Americans don't like the violence. And I don't think defunding the police makes any sense at all. Police reform is critical, but defunding makes no sense. By the way we have a similar call in Canada, but it also has no broad support.

Common sense tells you that the only way to stop the violence is much greater force. These people aren't protestors they are domestic terrorists. Tearing down monuments, attacking the police, rioting, looting and murder must be condemned by both parties. Dems endorsing this behavior is not a theory. Even Pelosi has said: "People do as they do." when they tore down a statute of Columbus and threw it into Baltimore harbor. More force will fan the flames unless it is clearly against those that are the criminals. Yes, the anarchists need to be shut down and put in jail. But they are in the middle of peaceful constitutionally legal protests. "These people" attending protests are not all criminals. Yes there are criminals that are taking advantage. Just like looting starts when there are power outages. And in hurricane regions. But there is no way that you can use "much greater force" on a peaceful protest that has gone wrong, without taking down lawful citizens.

Get the facts right. The MSM paints a picture these are "peaceful" protestors. Nothing could be further from the truth.The peaceful protests are just that, peaceful legal protests. You may not like it, but it is their constitutional right to protest. Many of the protesters are in fact peaceful protesters. The rioters and vandals are not in that group.
 
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Responding to your post;

Well first off you don't have a dog in the fight since you can't vote in a US election. Second, no elected democrat condemned the violence for the last 90 days in dem led cities....NOT A SINGLE ONE.....and you think it is Trump's fault?I do have a dog in the race, because the majority of my living family are Americans. And no, I cannot vote in the US, but I do have the right to post my views here.

The Dems are playing politics just like the GOP. By the way, you were the one that said that "What you don't see is that the street violence was manufactured by the dems to trap Trump." So is that your real view or what you are saying now. I do believe that the Dems in cities are also playing politics and are underreacting for the same reasons. Its all just f-ed up. But, I also believe that an inclusive President should be doing what he can to calm the waters, not fan the flames.

Trump is blaming the Dems for what is happening under his watch. He has had plenty of opportunity to try to bring calm and a message of unity and he has done none of that.


Now with polls showing that the American people don't like the violence and overwhelming reject the hallowed 2020 dem "Defund the Police" narrative......the dems are blaming Trump for the violence when they DID NOTHING in cities that they run to stop it.
Of course most Americans don't like the violence. And I don't think defunding the police makes any sense at all. Police reform is critical, but defunding makes no sense. By the way we have a similar call in Canada, but it also has no broad support.

Common sense tells you that the only way to stop the violence is much greater force. These people aren't protestors they are domestic terrorists. Tearing down monuments, attacking the police, rioting, looting and murder must be condemned by both parties. Dems endorsing this behavior is not a theory. Even Pelosi has said: "People do as they do." when they tore down a statute of Columbus and threw it into Baltimore harbor. More force will fan the flames unless it is clearly against those that are the criminals. Yes, the anarchists need to be shut down and put in jail. But they are in the middle of peaceful constitutionally legal protests. "These people" attending protests are not all criminals. Yes there are criminals that are taking advantage. Just like looting starts when there are power outages. And in hurricane regions. But there is no way that you can use "much greater force" on a peaceful protest that has gone wrong, without taking down lawful citizens.

Get the facts right. The MSM paints a picture these are "peaceful" protestors. Nothing could be further from the truth.The peaceful protests are just that, peaceful legal protests. You may not like it, but it is their constitutional right to protest. Many of the protesters are in fact peaceful protesters. The rioters and vandals are not in that group.


I'm confused. I have no issue with peaceful protests. I think they are stupid and don't accomplish anything but it is part of our Constitution. In regards to criminals and criminal acts you are okay with locking them up .....so we agree on that but I believe that the criminals are claiming to be protestors .....so how do you tell the difference?

We disagree on Trump. While he is not perfect......he is doing exactly what he said he would do. I'm supportive of that. I could do without a lot of the Tweet nonsense but he has to control the narrative since MSM is clearly against him 24 hours a day.

He is threading the needle on the city protests. That is how it works in an election year. The dems are trying to pander to everyone they can to get people to vote. That is why they aren't condemning the violence. I believe that strategy has backfired and the polls show that American voters are against a number of key DNC platform issues (Defund the Police, Green New Deal, Defunding the US Military and a host of others).

While you make not like Trump.....the reality is unless the dems make some serious course corrections.....they will lose the WH and possibly the House in 64 days.
 
Trump isn't the greatest choice but overall he has done a good job and much better choice than anyone the Dems have presented.
As for the protestors? Protesting is protected but not rioting. And to block public highways in the process? That is stupidity. We had one in a town near us and they were in the streets. A mini van turned and ended up on that street. They tried to turn around and leave but the 'gang' started surrounding the van and beating on it. The driver took off and weaved through the crowd to get away. They interviewed one of the protestors on the news and they said the guy should be in jail for putting them in danger??? WTF? They were the ones that decided to stand in the middle of the road. What choice did the driver have? I would have done the same thing. If anyone got ran over in the process then oh well. I'm not going to sit there and let them break my windows and drag me out and put me in the hospital or worse. These peoples minds are twisted. Stay on the sidewalks if you want to protest. You are asking for trouble if you start blocking and surrounding cars.
 

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