Really? Sometimes I just shake my head!

Carpediem44DB

Carpediem44DB

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Aug 18, 2015
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2000 Carver 506
2006 44 DB Sedan Bridge
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Volvo TAMD 74 P
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In final stages of selling Carpe Diem.
My WiFi connection from the gs165 MFD to the Quantum Radar stopped working so I decided to deliver the boat with the radar hardwired. I just can’t sell a boat with issues.
In running the Raynet cable I removed the subwoofer on the port wall of the bridge for access since I didn’t have a pull string. This is what I found! Four of the eight screws had material to screw to. What the hell is that all about. I have no reason to believe that the hole was not cut by the factory.
Carpe Diem
 
Carpediem44DB said:
View attachment 93941 In final stages of selling Carpe Diem.
My WiFi connection from the gs165 MFD to the Quantum Radar stopped working so I decided to deliver the boat with the radar hardwired. I just can’t sell a boat with issues.
In running the Raynet cable I removed the subwoofer on the port wall of the bridge for access since I didn’t have a pull string. This is what I found! Four of the eight screws had material to screw to. What the hell is that all about. I have no reason to believe that the hole was not cut by the factory.
Carpe Diem
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I’ve seen this on other SR’s as well. And yes, that’s “factory”.
 
Yep. It happens. This is what I found yesterday when removing the mast light and wire fitting on my arch. Not a speck of bedding material. Just drill the holes, don't seal the core, and slap it on with no bedding sealant.
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I opened up the area so the core can dry out over the winter, (yes, the top of the arch is cored), I'll deal with it in the spring.
Don't know if it was the factory or the dealer (may had to truck it with the arch naked for bridge clearance) but the radar pedestal was sealed well.
Not happy.
 
Over all I think SeaRay builds a quality boat and I wouldn’t be surprised to see this on any “production”boat. To have expert craftsmanship for every fitment would make these boats far too expensive for their intended market. Just reality I guess. I’m moving to Carver but not with the expectation that the quality will be any better. If SeaRay made a similar boat to the Voyager, I’d still stick with SeaRay
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I agree, but when we see how well they do some things, kind of makes me wonder what the heck happened with other, lesser things. Like I said, in my case the mast light may have been a dealer install item after arriving at the point of delivery, but it's definitely shame on somebody. I'll fix it. Thank goodness it's on top of the arch, Nobody will notice the repair except me :)
 
I’m sure the individual who was rigging your boat at the factory speaks minimal English. I blame the labor hiring practices not “the factory”.
This is why we read some criticism of SR by other brand snobs.
I’ve seen similar shortcuts on Grady Whites and other “ superior” brands.
 
my3sons said:
Yep. It happens. This is what I found yesterday when removing the mast light and wire fitting on my arch. Not a speck of bedding material. Just drill the holes, don't seal the core, and slap it on with no bedding sealant.
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I opened up the area so the core can dry out over the winter, (yes, the top of the arch is cored), I'll deal with it in the spring.
Don't know if it was the factory or the dealer (may had to truck it with the arch naked for bridge clearance) but the radar pedestal was sealed well.
Not happy.
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It's a good idea to remove hatches, lights and anything that may be mounted in a "cored" area to ensure the core looks good and to cover it with epoxy before rebedding - no matter the brand. Few, if any brands, will take the time needed to epoxy over the core. But - no excuse for no sealant at all!
 
El Capitan said:
I’m sure the individual who was rigging your boat at the factory speaks minimal English. I blame the labor hiring practices not “the factory”.
The factory does the hiring so the blame can only go to the factory. The guy cutting the hole just needs to be trained and given the appropriate equipment. I blame the quality assurance team and the bean counters that pressure them to allow shit workmanship to leave the floor. Cutting a round hole and finishing the edges is pretty basic for a tradesman given reasonable time to do the job.
Carpe Diem
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"The factory does the hiring so the blame can only go to the factory. The guy cutting the hole just needs to be trained and given the appropriate equipment. I blame the quality assurance team and the bean counters that pressure them to allow shit workmanship to leave the floor. Cutting a round hole and finishing the edges is pretty basic for a tradesman given reasonable time to do the job.
Carpe Diem"

Bean counters = < reasonable time to do the job.
 

When a company has a culture of "maximum profit" over QA, this is a result. Let's not kid ourselves, these are high ticket items. Would consumers pay top dollar for a $300,000 automobile that had shoddy workmanship? Or $500,000 for a new Robinson Helicopter that had covered up crappy workmanship?

Of course not. But the recreational boating industry has the "get it out the door and sold" mentality and hopes they never see it again.

And for the record, I'm not singling out SR, it's evident in other brands as well.
 
Golfman25 said:
How about just get the right sized hole saw and cut the damn hole.
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This. ^^^

How come I can cut a round hole and plan it such that all of the screws actually hit their mark?

I see very expensive campers with shoddy, stapled together workmanship all the time in addition to boats. Strange considering the prices.
 
El Capitan said:
I’m sure the individual who was rigging your boat at the factory speaks minimal English. I blame the labor hiring practices not “the factory”.
This is why we read some criticism of SR by other brand snobs.
I’ve seen similar shortcuts on Grady Whites and other “ superior” brands.
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Good craftsmanship happens regardless of one's native language.

SR's QC practices are to blame here (probably white dudes speaking English, btw).
 
FastMarkA said:
Good craftsmanship happens regardless of one's native language.

SR's QC practices are to blame here (probably white dudes speaking English, btw).
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It’s not even quality control. It’s really a production process design failure — right tool for the job kind of thing.
 
One of my previous boats was a 1999 Bayliner.
Let’s talk about quality control!!
 
I got my 2008 boat when it was about a year old and found some issues with the satellite TV and navigation installations including a mis-wiring of the Glomax antenna such that OTA TV wouldn't work and a cut as well as just overall shoddy wiring practices compared to everything else. Both were options but were installed when the boat arrived at the dealer (who sold it both to the PO and me) and were listed on the SR build sheet. I pulled the string with Sea Ray and they explained that both were installed by a third party contractor that added options after the initial build. In my case they were clearly sloppy and the same thing may have happened in your case. Not an excuse since Sea Ray ought to have QA'd those installations, perhaps with more rigor than what their employees had done.
 
My 2007 320 had similar issues. I removed the speaker/cupholder that is down by the right foot of the helm operator and 2 of the screws were in air.
 
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