Covid-19 statistics

The original reason for lock downs was "to flatten the curve"...
An this was valid reasoning. And this was practical. And this worked...
COUGH bullsh!t COUGH


The 'breathless panic' mentioned by Golfman25 is likely the key element in the mistakes that were made by politicians and the medical experts advising them. Let's hope we learn from that.

More likely he was referring to the BS drama that the MSM makes up.
 
If governments were to post by numbers in hospital, deaths by age, health of dead before they were sick we all would get a clear picture of those that are at risk. In Alberta the average of dead according the news paper was 82 years old with only 3 dead that were 30 and younger. With flu season upon us deaths will go up restrictions will probably increase.
I keep writing my elected government and asking for the numbers by age. No response.
Most states/provinces have web sites with lots of data, its just hard to find sometimes. You quote Alberta. It has had a pretty low rate of COVID, but it is not that densely populated and few high rise high density residential areas. But here is their information. The web site has a data download feature too so you can slice and dice how you want.

The issue, even in Alberta, is not necessarily the deaths, its the ICU admissions. IF ICU's fill up there will be more COVID deaths. The first waves just barely filled ICU's so we have not seen the impact of a major wave 2/3 yet.
And the stats are that ICU admissions are much more common from 50 years and older. I am 57 and in great health so I am not worried personally. But this is not a disease that is only serious if you are over 80. Far from it.
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Most states/provinces have web sites with lots of data, its just hard to find sometimes. You quote Alberta. It has had a pretty low rate of COVID, but it is not that densely populated and few high rise high density residential areas. But here is their information. The web site has a data download feature too so you can slice and dice how you want.

The issue, even in Alberta, is not necessarily the deaths, its the ICU admissions. IF ICU's fill up there will be more COVID deaths. The first waves just barely filled ICU's so we have not seen the impact of a major wave 2/3 yet.
And the stats are that ICU admissions are much more common from 50 years and older. I am 57 and in great health so I am not worried personally. But this is not a disease that is only serious if you are over 80. Far from it.
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We are mid 70ies and have no health problems. We do not have any friends who have been sick. Calgary has more cases in areas of high density homes (Multi generation) Our area is single family with 7 and population of 2,000.
 
My wife is a neurosurgeon. Her hospital is so full of Covid patients that non critical surgeries have been put off for the foreseeable future.
 
My wife is a neurosurgeon. Her hospital is so full of Covid patients that non critical surgeries have been put off for the foreseeable future.
Which is good management practice. Expect more to do the same.
 
Every year, 60,000 to 80,000 Americans die of the flu.

Can ANYONE point me to a cause of death chart for 2020 that includes both Covid AND the flu? Where are those statistics?

The flu did not go away simply because Covid showed up. Where are these NORMAL deaths accounted for? Who is hiding it? Why are they hiding it? Simple math ~210,000 covid "deaths" - 70,000 flu season deaths = 140,000 Covid deaths. This means that Covid is a virus that is twice as deadly as the flu. The cure is indeed worse than the virus.
 
Until you are 50 you probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than to die. As old people in Canada we isolated, had groceries delivered for a month when we returned from the south in March. Except for an emergency visit to the hospital during that time we did not go out. The hospital was empty, emergency was empty and I got treated instantly for my injury. Comment from the doctor was people are not seeing a doctor until their problem is very bad. It feels like house arrest in Canada, inflation is high. Hamburger is up 50%. Pop and potato chip cost are up 70%. A can of soup that cost 60 cents last year now cost a dollar. Vegetables have doubled in price. US grapes are now 4.49 a pound they used to be 1.99 a pound. All is not well in Canada. Sure we got less sick; but we have 10% of US population and our cities are small compared to US. Is there a solution? I have no idea. As seniors we avoid close contact with others. We have been out for dinner 4 times in past 6 months. The world economy has tanked, unemployment is high and people seem to have lost hope. We have friends and relatives in various parts of Canada most are terrified to watch the news, most will not have visitors and a few will see people. We live in Alberta population of 4 million. Some cities require masks, some seem open. The two big cites have most of the cases small towns seem to have few to non.
 
The covid is real bad in my area right now. And yet when I drive by the local taverns in the evening. The parking lots are packed. People are not taking this seriously. One of my sons teachers died from the covid. A healthy guy in his mid fifties. One of my employees mothers is most likely going to die from it. She’s 72 but healthy.
 
That's quite different from things down here. Grocery prices have increased a little, but not to an Earth shattering degree. Gas and energy prices are low, which for the most part offset the higher grocery bills. I had back surgery in October. John's Hopkins is my healthcare provider. I had to go to 3 different JH locations as part of the process. Everyone I spoke with there said it was pretty much business as usual. The primary difference was that when you arrived for your appointment, you had to call the receptionist to let them know that you were there. When they were ready for you, they called back and told you to come in. Pubs and restaurants are indeed taking it in the shorts right now. Many will not survive. When this is over, others will rise. It is the way of the world.

Almost everyone I know has been working as usual. Our company had temporary pay cuts from late March until early Sept, but the company found out that we were not too far off of our numbers even though 90% of the employees have been working from home. We service the retail, banking, transportation, and hospitality industries. If our numbers are okay, that means that our customers are doing okay. We are a very big player. I'd bet that every CSR member sees or touches one or our products or services at least 5 times a week. Our outlook is that if the lockdowns end within the next 3 months or so, we will thrive when that pent up demand returns. Many of our customers have told us so.

America will survive this. We feel it.
 
The covid is real bad in my area right now. And yet when I drive by the local taverns in the evening. The parking lots are packed. People are not taking this seriously.
We do take it seriously. I have been to several taverns and restaurants repeatedly since March. The people that own them need business to put food on their family's tables. We are all going to die of something, We can't kill civilization itself to stop a virus that has a 99.5% survival rate. Let our neighbors starve to death, or take a 0.5% chance of dying in order to support their business. We are just not that damned timid. Life must go on.
 
Covid-19 is the only illness we don't try to treat at the early stages which leads to deadly consequences. Our solution to date -- test positive, go home and wait till your symptoms are sever enough, then go to hospital. Maybe we should rethink our approach. This guy has developed a protocol for early treatment (starts about about the 8:30 mark).
 
Every year, 60,000 to 80,000 Americans die of the flu.

Can ANYONE point me to a cause of death chart for 2020 that includes both Covid AND the flu? Where are those statistics?

The flu did not go away simply because Covid showed up. Where are these NORMAL deaths accounted for? Who is hiding it? Why are they hiding it? Simple math ~210,000 covid "deaths" - 70,000 flu season deaths = 140,000 Covid deaths. This means that Covid is a virus that is twice as deadly as the flu. The cure is indeed worse than the virus.
The statistics are on the CDC website, not hidden. Influenza is not a reportable cause of death so CDC prepares statistical analyses to determine the flu burden. Some highlights:
2017-2018 Influenza season: 45M cases, 61,000 deaths (highest in recent past)
2018-2019 Influenza season: 36M cases, 34,000 deaths
2019-2020 Influenza deaths: 38M cases, 22,000 deaths (one of the lowest ever, likely due to covid mitigation but still being looked at)
Another consideration in comparing flu with covid is that the proportion of hospitalizations and deaths are distributed differently. Influenza this past season infected small children and young adults relatively more than in the past. That's reflected in deaths as well, with working age adults incurring 36% of flu deaths compared to about 20% for covid.
 
How's this for some interesting statistics from the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm)? USA deaths:

2017 entire year 2,813,503 (234,000/month)
2018 entire year 2,839,205 (237,000/month)
2019 entire year 2,855,000 (238.000/month)
2020 thru 9/26 2,130,000 (237,000/month)
2020 extrapolated 2,844,000 (237,000/month x 12 months)

If 2020 works out like that (i.e., not as bad as 2019), it seems the lockdowns, etc., were unnecessary. IMO the purpose of lockdowns was not to reduce the deaths but to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed.

What am I missing?

Not a single hospital was “overrun “ w cases. Even today w all the bs panic and deception on increasing cases, hospitals are not overrun.

If Trump could do it all over again knowing what we know today I doubt there would have been a lockdown.
 
My wife is a neurosurgeon. Her hospital is so full of Covid patients that non critical surgeries have been put off for the foreseeable future.

I call total BS. I’m in hospitals all across the country and that is not the case. Maybe her hospital is confusing China virus w a common cold.
 
I call total BS. I’m in hospitals all across the country and that is not the case. Maybe her hospital is confusing China virus w a common cold.
El Capitan has been in every hospital in the country, so just trust him. He has a totally unbiased view of things too, and he is a fully qualified and accredited internet user, so he is right. All other facts posted by health agencies are wrong. The entire world is focused on a coordinated process to get Trump out of office (all health care agencies are subversive democratic operative cells). Well, that was fun.

The captain lives in Florida (or wants to). Nothing like a few facts for his home state. Florida has a web site where available hospital beds are tracked. Probably the most important is ICU beds, because that is where all the important equipment is for serious injuries and disease. So filling them up with COVID is not a good thing. Here is Florida's ICU capacity page:
https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/ICUBedsHospital?:showAppBanner=false&:display_count=n&:showVizHome=n&:eek:rigin=viz_share_link&:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y
The Captain I am sure has better information, but since I am blocked by him he won't know to give us the real data.

As of today there are many hospitals that have full ICU's and many that have space. But only 25% of ICU beds are available in Florida total as of 10/31. Your state may vary. They all have detailed on-line data.

The media will focus on the negative. That's what they do, because that's what people gravitate to. And that applies to both political stripes, so none of you should get all "holier than thou" that it is the other side that is the problem.

Thank god the death rates are down relative to cases. Hopefully it stays that way. 240,000 Americans dying of COVID or because of COVID since March is a lot of souls, and you have to be a cold hearted SOB to say that its not a big deal. For perspective, a total of 7,000 US soldiers have died overseas in US military actions in the past 20 years.

A heart wrenching statistic would be how many US veterans are in that 240,000 dead from COVID. Given the age demographic, I will bet that there are lot of vets that survived WW2, Vietnam, Korea and other conflicts that were taken from us by COVID.
 
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Thank you Alnav and Third Edition.

If I am reading the charts correctly, it is saying that there have been zero cases of any of the influenza strains after week 15 of 2020? That's the 3rd week of March. When the bulk of the lockdowns started. I find that a bit hard to believe.

Worse case scenario, Covid is 7-12x more deadly than the flu. 99% of people under 50 have nothing to worry about beyond spreading it to someone who is susceptible due to a comorbidity. Most people with a comorbidity know about that comorbidity. We should be able to unlock the economy, ditch the mask mandates, and quarantine only people who have a comorbidity. The healthy would be able to go about their lives and develop herd immunity.

I heard an interesting statement today from a doctor who said that Covid seems to be mutating into less deadly strains. Viruses that kill the host cannot survive. I sure wish I knew more about how and why viruses mutate. In the grand scheme of things, that statement makes a lot of sense.

I'm 100% sure that we are not getting the real story.
 
El Capitan has been in every hospital in the country, so just trust him. He has a totally unbiased view of things too, and he is a fully qualified and accredited internet user, so he is right. All other facts posted by health agencies are wrong. The entire world is focused on a coordinated process to get Trump out of office (all health care agencies are subversive democratic operative cells). Well, that was fun.

The captain lives in Florida (or wants to). Nothing like a few facts for his home state. Florida has a web site where available hospital beds are tracked. Probably the most important is ICU beds, because that is where all the important equipment is for serious injuries and disease. So filling them up with COVID is not a good thing. Here is Florida's ICU capacity page:
https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/ICUBedsHospital?:showAppBanner=false&:display_count=n&:showVizHome=n&:eek:rigin=viz_share_link&:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y
The Captain I am sure has better information, but since I am blocked by him he won't know to give us the real data.

As of today there are many hospitals that have full ICU's and many that have space. But only 25% of ICU beds are available in Florida total as of 10/31. Your state may vary. They all have detailed on-line data.

The media will focus on the negative. That's what they do, because that's what people gravitate to. And that applies to both political stripes, so none of you should get all "holier than thou" that it is the other side that is the problem.

Thank god the death rates are down relative to cases. Hopefully it stays that way. 240,000 Americans dying of COVID or because of COVID since March is a lot of souls, and you have to be a cold hearted SOB to say that its not a big deal. For perspective, a total of 7,000 US soldiers have died overseas in US military actions in the past 20 years.

A heart wrenching statistic would be how many US veterans are in that 240,000 dead from COVID. Given the age demographic, I will bet that there are lot of vets that survived WW2, Vietnam, Korea and other conflicts that were taken from us by COVID.
From the link you posted,

- 60,820 total staffed beds, 25% available
- 6,142 adult ICU beds, 25% available
- 2,297 covid hospitalizations
- 3.8% of beds are occupied with covid hospitalizations
 
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