Californias' latest SNAFU!!! Gee couldnt see this coming.

CaptRonn said:

Have you ever read or watched anything by that public embarrassment that leads your country?

PM Zoolander is a freakin’ joke. Shall we start posting all of the dumb and downright ignorant crap that guy has done, and continues to do?

Hypocrisy be thy name.

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You won’t see me defending Trudeau so not sure where that came from. I didn’t vote for him and have never voted anything but Conservative since I was able to vote. So pile on and I will join you. He is an entitled left wing pretty boy that pandered to the naive idealistic youth and elderly in typical Canadian Liberal fashion. I could go on.

But Trump is showing caged animal strange unhinged behaviour in his tweets and retweets in the past week. Really batshit crazy stuff. I really think he is trying to “burn down the house” on the way out. True colors I guess.

Tell me when in the last 4 years people didn’t take issue with “Trumps Tweets”. If it wasn’t for the Wuhan China virus, that’s all the Democrat platform would have had during the election....

Creekwood said:

You won’t see me defending Trudeau so not sure where that came from. I didn’t vote for him and have never voted anything but Conservative since I was able to vote. So pile on and I will join you. He is an entitled left wing pretty boy that pandered to the naive idealistic youth and elderly in typical Canadian Liberal fashion. I could go on.

But Trump is showing caged animal strange unhinged behaviour in his tweets and retweets in the past week. Really batshit crazy stuff. I really think he is trying to “burn down the house” on the way out. True colors I guess.

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Weak sauce there.

It's going to be Trump again in 2024. This fraud won't stand.

skibum said:

It's going to be Trump again in 2024. This fraud won't stand.

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It would be a damn shame if the republicans can't come up with a better option than Trump. Don't get me wrong, I am a supporter of Trump's agenda and I appreciate his approach to negotiation but if he could have put the most outrageous of his obnoxious attributes aside he would not have alienated the 10 or 15 percent of the voters that could have kept him in office. It is funny to see how all of a sudden the left is disowning BLM and Antifa and wanting to reach across the isle in a "spirit of cooperation" Give me a break!

I just don't see anyone stepping up in the next 4 years. We need someone gruff enough to stand up to the BS that will surely be thrown at any GOP contender. Like it or not, it takes fire to fight fire.

skibum said:

It's going to be Trump again in 2024. This fraud won't stand.

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If this election scam is not fixed now, you can write off any elections down the road. The winner will be predetermined well in advance of any vote cast.

Let's see if the republican leadership can step up and pass, and enforce election reforms to prevent this in the future.

CaptRonn said:

If this election scam is not fixed now, you can write off any elections down the road. The winner will be predetermined well in advance of any vote cast.

Let's see if the republican leadership can step up and pass, and enforce election reforms to prevent this in the future.

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Yep. I firmly believe there was alot of fraud going on with these mail in ballots. My daughter saw it firsthand, whether it was incidental or not. saw how easy it was for them to do it. The issue was she is registered Republican but moved a few years ago. Had not voted since she moved so went to change her voters registration address. When she showed up to vote they told her she could not vote then changed that to 'well you can vote but it might not count'. They are claiming they mailed her a mail in ballot. She was unaware of this and said she did get something in the mail but assumed it was related to the address change. I have not asked her what was actually in it. But she had to call the courthouse and was told she had to go there and show ID. She called the courthouse and was told that if she showed ID there then she shouldn't have to go to the courthouse. So she has no idea if her vote counted or not. Can you see how much of an impact this would cause if this was widespread? Or if these mail in ballots were 'accidentally' sent to the wrong address? Or if they were mass mailed to the elderly that had no idea what to do with it? See how many votes could be thrown out 'justifiably'.

Going to be very hard to fight the Democrats on this and as long as it is in place they will be able to commit voter fraud every election.

FWIW...it’s not just California....
The rule of unintended consequences. Bear in mind that in Canada, handgun ownership is a rarity and tightly regulated so gangs have been relatively unarmed. But for various political reasons, things are changing:

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/gangsters-using-cerb-to-buy-guns-protect-turf-sources

The Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB) gives financial support to employed and self-employed Canadians who are directly affected by COVID-19.

If you are eligible, you can receive $2,000 for a 4-week period (the same as $500 a week).

This benefit was introduced on a national scale and helped a lot of families survive but....

Little scrutiny was given to applicants so drug addicts, homeless and inmates all took advantage.

My daughter is in a jam with this. She is a financial advisor for a large mutual insurance company and is considered self employed. She is technically still working but being 100% commission based her income has been slashed substantially with people sitting on their cash now. On top of that when she makes a 'sale' she gets full commission up front but newer customers have quit paying or withdrawn their funds so now she has to pay back her commissions. One check she was actually -$2400 (yes she owed them money) and her last check was $200 for 2 weeks. She had 6 months wages banked away but that has been eaten up and she cannot collect unemployment or any other benefit. Luckily she has bought 6 rental units so has some income. She was in the process of buying a 12-plex but now with her income reduced the lender has backed out. She is still trying to secure funding but she went from a 6 figure income to below poverty level income. She has recently started looking for a 9-5 salary based job. She has a B.A. in Communications with a minor in Political Science (she was going to go to law school but made more doing sales).

So yeah, one of the hardest workers cannot get any assistance from anywhere (other than us) yet they are giving unemployment checks to inmates.

boatman37 said:

My daughter is in a jam with this. She is a financial advisor for a large mutual insurance company and is considered self employed. She is technically still working but being 100% commission based her income has been slashed substantially with people sitting on their cash now. On top of that when she makes a 'sale' she gets full commission up front but newer customers have quit paying or withdrawn their funds so now she has to pay back her commissions. One check she was actually -$2400 (yes she owed them money) and her last check was $200 for 2 weeks. She had 6 months wages banked away but that has been eaten up and she cannot collect unemployment or any other benefit. Luckily she has bought 6 rental units so has some income. She was in the process of buying a 12-plex but now with her income reduced the lender has backed out. She is still trying to secure funding but she went from a 6 figure income to below poverty level income. She has recently started looking for a 9-5 salary based job. She has a B.A. in Communications with a minor in Political Science (she was going to go to law school but made more doing sales).

So yeah, one of the hardest workers cannot get any assistance from anywhere (other than us) yet they are giving unemployment checks to inmates.

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She is in a pickle for sure. Sounds like she did every thing right. Its expensive but self employed individuals should consider private unemployment insurance coverage for situations just like we are in, especially if they are still young and have not acquired a reserve stack of liquid assets yet. I hope her renters are still able to pay the rent. I have a friend out here who owns several rental units and has been screwed by the renter protection rules that were put in place. All renters had to do was claim hardship from the lockdown and could stop paying rent. They still owe it but generally if one is renting and gets behind,they won't have the earning capability to pay back rent. She will just have to go through a prolonged eviction process to eventually turn the property over to being income producing again. It has cost her tens of thousands of dollars over the past 8 months.

I really don't get why this "widespread fraud" conspiracy BS is still being said. Just because Trump and Giuliani say it is true does not make it true. There have been investigations everywhere a credible allegation was made. In all tight states there were republicans and voters that manned the voting stations and that were counters, and there were observers as is required by law.

Trump talked for over a year about the "rigged election" that was coming. For Fk's sakes he was the Administration. Republicans controlled the Senate. Republicans controlled the SCOTUS. If it was so fatally flawed to allow fraud, they could have fixed it. So the system worked as it was designed and intended. The reason that nothing was to change it was because there was not a problem with the system that was designed by your founding fathers. It was designed to prevent the government from rigging an election.

It has its quirks that were put in place in order to preserve the power of the people to vote in the government. But they are not fatally flawed systems. You have a system for elections that has been held out as the model for the world. It is simply not possible that with all of of the focus on 2020 that widespread fraud changed the outcome. If it is, then you have one of the most flawed electoral system in the world, not one the best.

Also, if there was such widespread fraud, where are the hundreds and thousands of Americans that actually were there in the polling stations coming out in court, swearing on the bible to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? There are lots of people willing to post on the internet that "they know someone who saw something". Well, then, call Giuliani and arrange to put your damn hand on a bible and swear to it. It isn't happening because, sorry guys, it just didn't happen.

And it is dangerous to have the crazies in the US out there believing it did. And extremely dangerous to have the President of the United States of America saying to the world that it did.

Creekwood said:

I really don't get why this "widespread fraud" conspiracy BS is still being said. Just because Trump and Giuliani say it is true does not make it true. There have been investigations everywhere a credible allegation was made. In all tight states there were republicans and voters that manned the voting stations and that were counters, and there were observers as is required by law.

Trump talked for over a year about the "rigged election" that was coming. For Fk's sakes he was the Administration. Republicans controlled the Senate. Republicans controlled the SCOTUS. If it was so fatally flawed to allow fraud, they could have fixed it. So the system worked as it was designed and intended. The reason that nothing was to change it was because there was not a problem with the system that was designed by your founding fathers. It was designed to prevent the government from rigging an election.

It has its quirks that were put in place in order to preserve the power of the people to vote in the government. But they are not fatally flawed systems. You have a system for elections that has been held out as the model for the world. It is simply not possible that with all of of the focus on 2020 that widespread fraud changed the outcome. If it is, then you have one of the most flawed electoral system in the world, not one the best.

Also, if there was such widespread fraud, where are the hundreds and thousands of Americans that actually were there in the polling stations coming out in court, swearing on the bible to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? There are lots of people willing to post on the internet that "they know someone who saw something". Well, then, call Giuliani and arrange to put your damn hand on a bible and swear to it. It isn't happening because, sorry guys, it just didn't happen.

And it is dangerous to have the crazies in the US out there believing it did. And extremely dangerous to have the President of the United States of America saying to the world that it did.

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You may not know this but there isn't one election system in the US there are 53 if you include DC and PR (there may be more). They all must comply with federal requirements however. Throughout the US history there has been "process" questions that come up in just about every local, state, and national election; some have been fraudulent but most proven not. The interesting thing is there are significant "out of family" changes that were implemented in the name of the pandemic; but most interestingly, the significant changes were in the progressive managed states and locales. This raises my eyebrows. So, aside from the fringe epitome frenzy that the media seems to focus there are legitimate questions being asked and need supportable answers.

Creekwood said:

I really don't get why this "widespread fraud" conspiracy BS is still being said. Just because Trump and Giuliani say it is true does not make it true. There have been investigations everywhere a credible allegation was made. In all tight states there were republicans and voters that manned the voting stations and that were counters, and there were observers as is required by law.

Trump talked for over a year about the "rigged election" that was coming. For Fk's sakes he was the Administration. Republicans controlled the Senate. Republicans controlled the SCOTUS. If it was so fatally flawed to allow fraud, they could have fixed it. So the system worked as it was designed and intended. The reason that nothing was to change it was because there was not a problem with the system that was designed by your founding fathers. It was designed to prevent the government from rigging an election.

It has its quirks that were put in place in order to preserve the power of the people to vote in the government. But they are not fatally flawed systems. You have a system for elections that has been held out as the model for the world. It is simply not possible that with all of of the focus on 2020 that widespread fraud changed the outcome. If it is, then you have one of the most flawed electoral system in the world, not one the best.

Also, if there was such widespread fraud, where are the hundreds and thousands of Americans that actually were there in the polling stations coming out in court, swearing on the bible to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? There are lots of people willing to post on the internet that "they know someone who saw something". Well, then, call Giuliani and arrange to put your damn hand on a bible and swear to it. It isn't happening because, sorry guys, it just didn't happen.

And it is dangerous to have the crazies in the US out there believing it did. And extremely dangerous to have the President of the United States of America saying to the world that it did.

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You clearly do not understand how the US works, at least not as much as you claim. Trump and the Feds do not control the election.

Look at how many states switched to Dominion voting systems over the past few years. Ironic how it's primarily in the states having discrepancies. Look at the history of Dominion, hell just CNNs reporting!

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIF-jp6gMqR/?igshid=oj82k25sqhb2

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You may not know this but there isn't one election system in the US there are 53 if you include DC and PR (there may be more). They all must comply with federal requirements however. Throughout the US history there has been "process" questions that come up in just about every local, state, and national election; some have been fraudulent but most proven not. The interesting thing is there are significant "out of family" changes that were implemented in the name of the pandemic; but most interestingly, the significant changes were in the progressive managed states and locales. This raises my eyebrows. So, aside from the fringe epitome frenzy that the media seems to focus there are legitimate questions being asked and need supportable answers.

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I do know that about the system. And that is exactly how it was designed. That States would have the powers to determine how elections are done. And that is what happened. And no doubt there will be investigations to help tighten up flaws in the systems in all States. If there are flaws they are all states, not just ones won by democrats. I guess I have more faith in the US electoral process than a large portion of US republicans.

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I do know that about the system. And that is exactly how it was designed. That States would have the powers to determine how elections are done. And that is what happened. And no doubt there will be investigations to help tighten up flaws in the systems in all States. If there are flaws they are all states, not just ones won by democrats. I guess I have more faith in the US electoral process than a large portion of US republicans.

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Florida doesn't seem to have any issues this election cycle...

Creekwood said:

I really don't get why this "widespread fraud" conspiracy BS is still being said. Just because Trump and Giuliani say it is true does not make it true. There have been investigations everywhere a credible allegation was made. In all tight states there were republicans and voters that manned the voting stations and that were counters, and there were observers as is required by law.

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Complaints have been filed and allegations have been made. The process is now in the courts where it belongs. We do not need this tried in the court of public opinion.

Let the legal process play out. Right now the complainants have very strong cases presented. As the legal process ensues more revelations of the facts will be made.

Creekwood said:

Trump talked for over a year about the "rigged election" that was coming. For Fk's sakes he was the Administration. Republicans controlled the Senate. Republicans controlled the SCOTUS. If it was so fatally flawed to allow fraud, they could have fixed it. So the system worked as it was designed and intended. The reason that nothing was to change it was because there was not a problem with the system that was designed by your founding fathers. It was designed to prevent the government from rigging an election.

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Your argument is fatally flawed. Election of the president is not a federal election, it is an individual state election to decide on electors as per the Constitution.

Section. 1.

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The 12th amendment also speaks to the election process.

So the problem we are having is in several states the governors and state supreme courts went rogue and began rewriting election law without the consent and approval of the legislature. Hence we now have several state elections in jeopardy because of their actions.

Creekwood said:

It has its quirks that were put in place in order to preserve the power of the people to vote in the government. But they are not fatally flawed systems. You have a system for elections that has been held out as the model for the world. It is simply not possible that with all of of the focus on 2020 that widespread fraud changed the outcome. If it is, then you have one of the most flawed electoral system in the world, not one the best.

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The allegations presented as well as the evidence brought forward is prima facie evidence of fraud. The complainants only have to show a preponderance of the evidence to get this to trial. The burden of proof will shift to the defendants to disprove the evidence.

Creekwood said:

Also, if there was such widespread fraud, where are the hundreds and thousands of Americans that actually were there in the polling stations coming out in court, swearing on the bible to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? There are lots of people willing to post on the internet that "they know someone who saw something". Well, then, call Giuliani and arrange to put your damn hand on a bible and swear to it. It isn't happening because, sorry guys, it just didn't happen.

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Actually the attorneys working several of the cases have stacks of affidavits, sworn and signed. They have witnesses willing to testify in trial. They also have prima facie evidence of fraud ready to present at trial.

The democrat controlled MSM isn't reporting this, this is why you don't believe this is happening. Right now the MSM is demanding the President's attorneys to show all their evidence to them before it goes to trial.

Of course, the reason is they want this tried in the court of public opinion rather than the courts. Why?

Because in the court of public opinion they will control the information and will insure themselves a victory. The democrats and their MSM know full well in a court of law they will lose as the burden of proof will shift to them.

Creekwood said:

And it is dangerous to have the crazies in the US out there believing it did. And extremely dangerous to have the President of the United States of America saying to the world that it did.

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You have this wrong. We have in front of us the largest and most organized election fraud in our history, and if we as a country don't correct this via law our constitution becomes meaningless and we start down a path to one party rule.

There are two distinctive paths of these lawsuits. The first path is crystal clear as various states have violated the constitution with regards to Article II Section 1. These violations have placed the state elections in jeopardy and the state legislatures must act to correct them by recounting and auditing.

However that process maybe in jeopardy as well, and the legislature may be in a position that will render them unable to determine a winner. If this is the case, then no certification of a vote happens and no electors will be sent to the electoral college. If this happens, and neither democrats or republicans get a majority of EC votes (270) then the 12th amendment kicks in and the election goes to the House of Representatives for President and the Senate for Vice President.

Now, the second path of the lawsuits will take much longer, well after the election is settled. These are the fraud lawsuits. These will expose the fraud, and probably end up with criminal convictions.

And I will state here that these convictions will include democrat and republicans. And hopefully the ending result of these lawsuits will push legislatures into strengthening election laws to prevent a recurrence.

firecadet613 said:

Florida doesn't seem to have any issues this election cycle...

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Or Texas, or Tennessee, or Ohio, etc.

The problems all occurred in heavily democrat controlled cities. This is telling.

CaptRonn said:

However that process maybe in jeopardy as well, and the legislature may be in a position that will render them unable to determine a winner. If this is the case, then no certification of a vote happens and no electors will be sent to the electoral college. If this happens, and neither democrats or republicans get a majority of EC votes (270) then the 12th amendment kicks in and the election goes to the House of Representatives for President and the Senate for Vice President.

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And, this is not a "majority vote" it is one state one vote criteria.
So, from a Pres. Trump perspective this is where they want to land....

CaptRonn said:

Or Texas, or Tennessee, or Ohio, etc.

The problems all occurred in heavily democrat controlled cities. This is telling.

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Cities in the swing states. The urban areas or cities that weren’t swing states had less votes for Biden than Hillary. Another anomaly.....