COVID vaccine or not ?

Will you get the COVID vaccine?...

  • Heck yes.. first in line

    Votes: 54 45.4%

  • You go first and I will wait and see

    Votes: 35 29.4%

  • I am already part of the herd

    Votes: 9 7.6%

  • Absolutely not

    Votes: 21 17.6%
  • Total voters
    119
Blueone said:
The media is playing this like people are afraid to take a chance on the side effects of the vaccine. Just curious what you guys think. It seems the companies creating the vaccines are pretty similar.
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My wife had this COVID; in the hostipal for a week and sick at home for a month. She was miserable. Still feeling the effects. Friend down the street has been hospitalized for over a month with this crap; in ICU for the first week or so. By the time they get to handing out vaccine to folk in my age bracket I'm thinking any horindious side effects, if any, will be pretty evident. Bottom line, I'm taking it.
 
Golfman25 said:
That's the interesting thing about this vaccine. Because it is not a live virus it may be safer for immune compromised people. The admiral has immune issues and her doctor said she should get it since it's not a live virus. He doesn't recommend many vaccines for her.

In response to my question though, why is your situation my problem? At what point do you take over responsibility for your protection from me? (And I say this not personally but as part of the conversation).
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It’s not. Isn’t it rather my situation becomes your problem? It’s a similar argument as masks: a vaccination has two values; first protection to the recipient from the disease, second to society as a whole by stoping the spread of the disease. It’s in the second part where my lack vaccination affects you.

The significant difference between vaccination and masks is that vaccinations in sufficient numbers can stop the pandemic, and masking only reduces the number of infections.

The broader question is whether vaccinations should be required of all who can receive one by regulation to ensure a sufficient population exists to create herd immunity? My personal opinion is yes, not only for the cost in human lives, but also the cost to society and industry by social distancing and forced closures.
 
Golfman25 said:
In response to my question though, why is your situation my problem? At what point do you take over responsibility for your protection from me? (And I say this not personally but as part of the conversation).
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Part of being responsible involves doing things that are in the public interest, especially if they can be done with little inconvenience. Getting a vaccination is in the public interest. Empathy is generally regarded as a good trait by most thinking people, and living in a caring society is preferable to living in a society where it is every man for himself. Getting vaccinated is the right thing to do. (And I say this not personally but as a part of the conversation.)
 
Henry Boyd said:
It’s not. Isn’t it rather my situation becomes your problem? It’s a similar argument as masks: a vaccination has two values; first protection to the recipient from the disease, second to society as a whole by stoping the spread of the disease. It’s in the second part where my lack vaccination affects you.

The significant difference between vaccination and masks is that vaccinations in sufficient numbers can stop the pandemic, and masking only reduces the number of infections.

The broader question is whether vaccinations should be required of all who can receive one by regulation to ensure a sufficient population exists to create herd immunity? My personal opinion is yes, not only for the cost in human lives, but also the cost to society and industry by social distancing and forced closures.
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Right -- but you can stop the spread of the disease yourself by not engaging in conduct that you're likely to catch it. Like I said in my previous post, I'll be social distancing for the foreseeable future as I'll be way down on the vaccine list.
 
I have a few issues with these vaccines. The brand new mRNA vaccine is playing with genetic material. Maybe minimal short term affects but what about 5, 10 years out? The old style though a proven methodology uses different species in which to cultivate the virus. This is part of what led us to where we are with COVID. I lived next door to someone who was in the military like 20 - 25 years ago. His platoon was going to be shipped out to the Philippines so they all had to get all sorts of inoculations. He came down with ALS about 5 years afterward. ALS is a pretty rare disease and one I wouldn't associate with the inoculations but when about 20 others from his platoon also came down with it you have to scratch your head. If you are in a very high risk group or over 65, yeah maybe it makes sense but if you are young and healthy, nope.
 
Im young and the vaccine will probably be available to me quite a while after many others have takin it.. I know there are risks with taking anything. At this point, ill do almost anything to get life back to normal for myself and everyone else. I want to go on vacations, I want to go on cruises and fly in planes. Im sick of wearing this f*cking mask everywhere. Gimme the shot!!! lets move on!
 
With out a doubt I'll take it when offered.
I'm middle of the road generally healthy but 63, high blood pressure, managed. I hardly ever get sick. But I get my flu shot anyway.
I'm old enough to remember my parents rushing us four kids down to the local high school to get the Polo "sugar cubes". That's how they distributed it then. Polo was something that scared every parent to death every summer.

You can be sure by the time it gets distributed to the average citizen there will be the largest "trials". Shipboard military will be a priority due to the close proximity they work in as will all overseas military service members. And we didn't get much say in vaccinations, I have likely had every one imaginable, I still have a little yellow book full of vaccination dates and stamps.
And first responders will be high on the list, as will seniors in care facilities.
 
Like others, I rarely get sick. Bad cold every 4-5 years but I've gotten 2 flu shots in my 70 years and those 2 years were the only time I came down with the flu. That said, I'm on the fence. One part of me hears the stories of the engineered nano-particles that will be in the vaccine and that makes me want to say no. On the other hand, I'm with Sea Hare. If it will get us back to normal bring it on. I'm sick of all the bullshit and ready to move on. I've got shit to do....
Shawn
 
Golfman25 said:
Right -- but you can stop the spread of the disease yourself by not engaging in conduct that you're likely to catch it. Like I said in my previous post, I'll be social distancing for the foreseeable future as I'll be way down on the vaccine list.
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At this point I very much doubt this approach is working well enough. The infection rate are skyrocketing nationwide.

Closer to home, my teenage son tested positive for COVID on Sunday. The ONLY places he has been are school 2 days a week and physical therapy for a pitching injury. He wears a mask any time he's out and washes / sanitizes his hands regularly.

We're now all in isolation at home with my son basically confined to one room. We're all masked up 24/7. I'm very concerned my immune-compromised wife is going to get it / has it already. Thankfully my son's symptoms have been mild. Yet I'm still concerned about the reports of long-lasting health and mental side effects from this disease - who wants to think about their 14 year old son having life-long impacts?

I'll be right there in line for the vaccine as soon as I'm eligible - which will be a while unfortunately.

And for all you that say, "I don't get sick, I don't need it, I'm not getting a vaccine": it's not about you. Vaccines work effectively when there's a big enough critical mass to stop the pathogen both from spreading and mutating to a new form. Getting an approved vaccine is about defeating this disease. If you can't see that then you're just a self-centered, asshole son of a bitch.
 
b_arrington said:
At this point I very much doubt this approach is working well enough. The infection rate are skyrocketing nationwide.

Closer to home, my teenage son tested positive for COVID on Sunday. The ONLY places he has been are school 2 days a week and physical therapy for a pitching injury. He wears a mask any time he's out and washes / sanitizes his hands regularly.

We're now all in isolation at home with my son basically confined to one room. We're all masked up 24/7. I'm very concerned my immune-compromised wife is going to get it / has it already. Thankfully my son's symptoms have been mild. Yet I'm still concerned about the reports of long-lasting health and mental side effects from this disease - who wants to think about their 14 year old son having life-long impacts?

I'll be right there in line for the vaccine as soon as I'm eligible - which will be a while unfortunately.

And for all you that say, "I don't get sick, I don't need it, I'm not getting a vaccine": it's not about you. Vaccines work effectively when there's a big enough critical mass to stop the pathogen both from spreading and mutating to a new form. Getting an approved vaccine is about defeating this disease. If you can't see that then you're just a self-centered, asshole son of a bitch.
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That is the whole point of stay at home and isolate -- to stop the spread. Once most people have the vaccine, those that don't can protect themselves by taking precautions -- hitting up the local mosh pit will be a bad idea. Is it 100%, nope, but the chances of getting it will be remote. Even now, 96% of the population hasn't gotten it.

More than likely, you're kid will be fine. How did he get to and from school? I am beginning to think masks are a problem. Not because they don't "work" but because like Fauci originally said, they encourage you to touch your face a lot.
 
I was in the Army for many years; we got what ever shots the man said to get. Anthrax; loved that crap. After that I did all manner of security and para military stuff world wide. Was operating in Kosovo for a while; got the work to saddle up and head to the Ivory Coast; what a shit hole. Anyway; had to get inoculated for everything for trench foot to dengue fever. Those were administered in some back alley clinic that side lined as a transmission over haul facility; shots were given by a nurse whos demeanor made you wonder if a fire fight was about to insure. Bottom line; getting a shot here in the states in order to keep me from contracting something that can sure as hell kill my old ass seems pretty much an insignificant issue.
 
b_arrington said:
If you can't see that then you're just a self-centered, asshole son of a bitch.
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That’s a bit over the top..especially for a first of its kind vaccine.... there are lots of people that don’t vaccinate themselves and their children for simple basic diseases for various reasons. And your response is they are all SOB’s ?....yet it’s not against the law and they are sitting beside you at work and school.... must be nice to own your own self proclaimed high ground
 
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Blueone said:
That’s a bit over the top..especially for a first of its kind vaccine.... there are lots of people that don’t vaccinate themselves and their children for simple basic diseases for various reasons. And your response is they are all SOB’s ?....yet it’s not against the law and they are sitting beside you at work and school.... must be nice to own your own self proclaimed high ground
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Nope, not over the top at all. Have you noticed the pandemic? Notice I said “an approved vaccine”.

There’s not a lot of metaphorical hills I’ll die on, and I give people the benefit of the doubt on most things. Vaccines are one of those hills. Anti-vaxxers and their bullshit excuses can eat a bag of dicks.
 
Wow. Stooping pretty low there.

But let me pose this question...and I don't know the answer but I suspect that since an asymptomatic person can still spread it I am assuming a person who has gotten the vaccine can still spread it? If that is the case then it doesn't make any difference to you if your next door neighbor got the vaccine or not?
 
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