No. The vaccine will stop the replication of the virus in your system. You won't have enough to spread. Your body basically kills the sob before it replicates enough to make you and others sick.
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Yeah, it's over the top. This vaccine is new technology -- never ever been done. They have zero, zilch clue with regard to long term effects. People have a right to be a little skeptical and ask questions. Most will take it because the rewards as we know them outweigh the risks that we don't know. But, when you grow a third testicle you can come back and tell us how good it is.
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Who knows maybe this will cure cancer. I doubt it but I’ve seen a lot of front line COVID effects in the past months. I’m trying to think more positive!Yeah, it's over the top. This vaccine is new technology -- never ever been done. They have zero, zilch clue with regard to long term effects. People have a right to be a little skeptical and ask questions. Most will take it because the rewards as we know them outweigh the risks that we don't know. But, when you grow a third testicle you can come back and tell us how good it is.
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I was down with the sickness. If it wasn't for the fact that I tested positive, I'd have said I just had the flu. Three days of muscle aches and stuffy nose, but no fever. Knocked back the muscle aches with acetaminophin, then just a general malaise for about two weeks. I'm 60, have had a heart attack about 5 years ago, and on meds for blood pressure and cholesterol. I'll wait a bit to see how the initial vaccines go.
Nice...real class act.
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My mother used to say pneumonia was a friend to old people. She was born in 1911. Covid has now replaced it. Most vaccines work to some extent. Will this one work. Probably, will the virus change yes, will the vaccine still work. I am glad I got a polio vaccine when I was young. Back then people did not question the good and bad of government directions. If this vaccine works and those that did not get continue to die they may wish they had got it. It is like a seat belt. You may never need it; but when you need it it will probably save your life.
Not so, or at least not known as yet. The mRNA viruses (Pfizer and Moderna) have not been tested for ability to block transmission. There was some limited testing for this in the UK only for the AstraZeneca vaccine and a hint from those data that there might be some impact on transmission. Here's some info from Pfizer that is applicable to the Moderna version as well:
"Does it stop people from catching and transmitting the virus?
We still don’t know. The trial was designed to test for symptomatic covid-19 and confirmed infection with the virus. Assessing whether the vaccine prevents transmission – which is probably a prerequisite for attaining vaccine-induced herd immunity – is much harder. But Pfizer says it is carrying out more studies on this important question and will release information soon."
The consensus I have read is that the vaccine will probably at least reduce the level and duration of transmission. The vaccinated individual's body should be able to rapidly knock down the virus but during the period while this is happening, transmission to others may be possible. This is why public health authorities are warning that some amount of mitigation may need to stay in place even after large numbers of individuals have been vaccinated.
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YES. I'd do anything to get us back to some type of normal. I'm tired of wearing a mask everywhere.
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Here is an angle to consider. I think that whether you get vaccinated is a free choice. There is the moral aspect of protecting others and doing your part to stop the spread. That is between you and your conscience and your concept of morality. Although there are examples of laws enforcing moral value issues, like anti discrimination laws.
But now the business aspect. I believe that insurance companies should be able to not pay for COVID hospital care for those who make a choice to not be vaccinated and do get COVID. Its not a "pre-existing condition". Its a choice, and choices should have consequences and people should be accountable for their choices. And those that do vaccinate themselves should not have to pay for those that choose not to.
Or maybe health insurance premiums should be higher for anti-vaxers. Like they are for smokers that make that choice. Or like how bad drivers or those with a lot of infractions pay much higher car insurance premiums.
But now the business aspect. I believe that insurance companies should be able to not pay for COVID hospital care for those who make a choice to not be vaccinated and do get COVID. Its not a "pre-existing condition". Its a choice, and choices should have consequences and people should be accountable for their choices. And those that do vaccinate themselves should not have to pay for those that choose not to.
Or maybe health insurance premiums should be higher for anti-vaxers. Like they are for smokers that make that choice. Or like how bad drivers or those with a lot of infractions pay much higher car insurance premiums.
I don’t think you understand how insurance companies make tons of money
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Extra premium for non compliance is OK but where does it stop. If you choose not wear a seat belt, paddle a river with rapids, J Walk. Insurance is intended to cover people from the unexpected. One boat insurance provider we had stated: Coverage is void if you were out in a Gale or Storm unless others were also damaged. The intent was if you are stupid enough to go out when no one else does you are not covered but if you go out and get caught in unexpected weather you are covered.
As others have said....you don't know for sure that the vaccine will stop the spread, you're hoping. In reading your posts you seem to be an Alarmist and a chronic Worrier. I have a friend here that is a Worrier too and we haven't seen him since January. Here, where I live, we wear a mask in stores, mostly; in restaurants and bars when we walk in but off to eat and drink; we sit at the bar, we have get togethers and ya know what? Nobody in our group has been very sick or died. Memorial Day and Labor Day weekends we had pool parties at our home with 15-20 people....nobody got sick or died. We had 12 here in the house for Thanksgiving....nobody got sick or died. My daughter and 5 of her friends flew here from LA in October to celebrate her 30th birthday in the French Quarter....nobody got sick or died. And interestingly the mayor of New Orleans decreed that if you are outside on the streets in the French Quarter you were required to wear a mask or face a $500 fine. My daughter sent me a picture of Bourbon Street that day with 25-40 people in the picture and no one was wearing a mask....no one. Nobody in my daughter's group got sick or died.
Whether or not you and your family get the vaccine is your personal choice....you've analyzed the data and formed an opinion....your opinion. Others have done the same and have formed their own opinion and do not share yours. For you to shame those that don't share your opinions or views and call them names is absurd and abusive.
I hope the vaccines work....I truly do so we can move on from this asterisk in history. And when it does you are welcome to tell us all, "I told you so."
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I do. And they would leap at the chance to deny coverage for COVID treatment for those that do not vaccinate.
Actually, they might want to charge you a boat load extra for not vaccinating and then play the odds. It's like a casino -- they will only win, and win big.
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Maybe a lot of folks should be sent off to Camp for re-education and moral adjustment....'choice' is unhealthy, and a danger. They must be taught to be like the fishes....
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Try getting travel insurance. Covid will be covered but with very low limits. At first I was told I could only get it for 3 weeks then I was told it would only be good for 200K. Gave up no idea what is offered now
I'm really not sure how you came to this conclusion - perhaps you're being ironic. I'm generally neither alarmist nor a chronic worrier. My wife tends to think I'm too relaxed on a number of topics - except for keeping the boat clean and ship-shape. Anything potentially bad for the boat gets me very excited.
By no means have we been hermits, either. As things have improved we've seen family, hung out with small groups of friends, been shopping, sent our kids to school, and been out to restaurants. Generally we've tried to be as normal as possible while being cautiously and wearing masks. As the infection rate has rebounded, however, we've pulled back a bit and been more careful about distancing, etc. I'm glad your circle has not experienced severe sickness or death; I truly hope that continues. Many have not been so fortunate. My sister, who is a nurse, is very torn up about the many patients and several colleagues that have died.
You're damn right I hope the vaccine works. You're also right there are a lot of unknowns about it. We don't know for certain if it confers immunity, reduces transmission, or just shortens the duration. I'm all for the AstraZeneca version to undergo more review because they screwed up the trial protocols. All that said, it seems to me that a well-reviewed vaccine subject to rigorous scientific review is our collective best path to controlling the spread. We know the results of not having one, and it seems not sustainable to our "normal" way of life.
Now if I may, I have to finish up some plans to buy a new boat and pick it up as soon as I can get sprung from isolation.
I reached my conclusion based on how vehemently you've criticized those that may not want to get the vaccine. It appears you feel it is a personal attack on you and your family's health and well-being. (Being anal about the boat doesn't count and is understandable)
I have adult children in California that work in hospitals and law enforcement. When I talk to them and ask if its as bad as I see here on the news they laugh and tell me its not. The media reports only the bad news and except for FOX none report about how many don't have it and how many don't die if they do get it. The whole year has been a Class A Shit-Storm and none of us minions will ever know the truth.
Get your vaccine, take care of your family and get the new boat (I'm jealous) and have a little patience with those that do what they feel is best for themselves and their families. Like you, they're doing the best they can.
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