420/44 DB Owners Club

ocgrant said:
Flix,

a 30 to 50 adaptor cord is not going to fix your issue... You need 220v not 110v. If you have 0nly 110 on the dock only way this is only going to work if there are 2 inidividual circuits (breakers not 2 outlets) ran to the dock on seperate breakers. Then you could convert both of them to 220 by using one leg from each 110 circuit. Most of the older docks in Newport and Huntington were 110 50amp old school for 50' foot and under. I know this well as I had my boat there and it was a 50 amp 110 90's style boat. NEMA stopped recommending 50 amp 110v on boats in the early - mid 90's hence when you saw dual 30 amp cords still on 110 boats. Hopefully you can find 2 seperate 30amp 110 breakers on your dock then you are in business and you can make a 220 circuit.
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In addition to this, you not only would need two separate 30A outlets, but in order to get 220V they would also need to be fed from different hot legs / buses in the breaker panel. With single-phase power (what you have in your house and marina, and what your boat uses), hot-to-hot gives 220V (240V). Hot-to-neutral gives 110V (120V). Two 30A outlets that are fed from the same hot bus can't be converted to provide 220/240V.

Is anything on your boat 240V? Typical candidates would be the hot water heater, stove, maybe the air conditioning. Although my boat is also a 2008, it is an early production '08 and still has the 2x30A 120V shore power.
 
Flix2 said:
Since I don't have shore power until the 30-50 amp adapter gets here in a couple of days, I plan to run the generator a few hours everyday. Do I turn the 'battery charger' and the 'thruster charger' in the on position in the main panel? I wish I took notes when the captain was training me yesterday. There is so much to remember and my brain is so limited! Again, thank you!
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Not sure if this has been answered...I suspect you have already answered this for yourself, but yes, turn both chargers on.

Some additional insight on your use of the adapter. I know you also have a 120V 15A outlet you were thinking you could use. It would be possible with a couple of adapters. A 50A female to 2x30A male Y adapter and a 30A female to 15A male would do it. This would give you 30A and 15A into the two sides of the Y that combine into the 50A inlet. I guess you could even end-up with 240V if the 30A and 15A receptacles are on different sides of the bus in the power panel, but your 240V amperage would be limited by the 15A circuit.

In terms of consumption, I have 2x30A shore power cords and used to use a Y adapter to plug into a single 30A outlet. I rarely tripped the breaker in the panel, but did on occasion. This would mainly happen at breakfast! The thruster charger, both air conditioners would usually be ok (typical when we returned from anchor), but add-in anything else and that would go over 30A. The air conditioners have high inrush current when the compressors kick on.

The hot water heater would sometimes put us over the top as well. This was typical when we did dishes after getting back to our slip and were cleaning-up to head home. The practice was to turn off the thruster charger until we were leaving and turned off the air conditioners. It wasn't ideal, but workable.
 
I noticed a beautiful 2006 44 Sedan Bridge for sale, but too far away for us to make the purchase. I am not sure if it is OK to put a note out there that we are looking for a 42/44 in good shape. If the post does not belong here, I will delete or have moderator delete. We have our 380DA sold and did not realize how tough it is to find another boat!

I started from the beginning of this thread to learn as much as I can about the 42/44's and I am finding tons of great info. Thanks for all the postings.

Vince
 
LattitudeAdjustment said:
I noticed a beautiful 2006 44 Sedan Bridge for sale, but too far away for us to make the purchase. I am not sure if it is OK to put a note out there that we are looking for a 42/44 in good shape. If the post does not belong here, I will delete or have moderator delete. We have our 380DA sold and did not realize how tough it is to find another boat!

I started from the beginning of this thread to learn as much as I can about the 42/44's and I am finding tons of great info. Thanks for all the postings.

Vince
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No problem at all posting your wish list here, The only restriction I know is to use the classifies section to advertise a boat for sale. You will love the 420/44 Sedan bridge boat if you can find one in your area. Happy hunting.
Carpe Diem
 
I uncovered the boat today, had my first beer on the bridge. Buffing and waxing begins next weekend. Spring is here !
 
Mark.60 said:
I uncovered the boat today, had my first beer on the bridge. Buffing and waxing begins next weekend. Spring is here !
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Well done!

Very jealous. Four Turtles goes in on Monday but we just got locked down again for 5 more weeks (hopefully no more). Sick of this BS.
 
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Hey guys I have a leak in the master stateroom starboard side outside the head door anyone else have this issue can’t figure out what the cause is carpet is always wet
 
Hi Gentlemen,
Could you take a look at this pic? The fuses are located by the thruster batteries in the engine room. The plastic cover of the right one is labled as BOW THRUSTER. There is no label on the left one which appears to be blown. If this non-label one is stern thruster, why would the rocker switch at the brige dash not working at all? I thought the bow thruster fuse looks fine in the picture. I orders 2 of the same 200-amp fuses from Amazon. There are other ANL 200-amp fuses that are much cheaper, used primarily by car owners. Can I use those? I probably will need a bunch of spares.
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My charger under the galley steps looked different that the one posted by Mr Turner. It shows 'conditioning'. Does it mean the batteries are fully charged?
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There is another charger next to the one above. What does this one charge?
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Sorry for all these questions. Hoepfully, I can be smart enough to help others some day.

Flix
 
Flix2 said:
Hi Gentlemen,
Could you take a look at this pic? The fuses are located by the thruster batteries in the engine room. The plastic cover of the right one is labled as BOW THRUSTER. There is no label on the left one which appears to be blown. If this non-label one is stern thruster, why would the rocker switch at the brige dash not working at all? I thought the bow thruster fuse looks fine in the picture. I orders 2 of the same 200-amp fuses from Amazon. There are other ANL 200-amp fuses that are much cheaper, used primarily by car owners. Can I use those? I probably will need a bunch of spares.
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My charger under the galley steps looked different that the one posted by Mr Turner. It shows 'conditioning'. Does it mean the batteries are fully charged?
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There is another charger next to the one above. What does this one charge?
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Sorry for all these questions. Hoepfully, I can be smart enough to help others some day.

Flix
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The ProNautic Charger is the best! Change out the Intelli-power to the ProNautic. The "fuses" you showed are "fusible links". You will have two since you have a bow and stern thruster. They are cheap, like $19 each. Carry a few on board. Be careful laying over the engines when you change them it it is hot. When you get sweaty, you will ground yourself on the engine and get a tingle.

You have found the reason your thrusters do not work. Well done!

Jaybeaux
 
Flix2 said:
Hi Gentlemen,
Could you take a look at this pic? The fuses are located by the thruster batteries in the engine room. The plastic cover of the right one is labled as BOW THRUSTER. There is no label on the left one which appears to be blown. If this non-label one is stern thruster, why would the rocker switch at the brige dash not working at all? I thought the bow thruster fuse looks fine in the picture. I orders 2 of the same 200-amp fuses from Amazon. There are other ANL 200-amp fuses that are much cheaper, used primarily by car owners. Can I use those? I probably will need a bunch of spares.
View attachment 103292

My charger under the galley steps looked different that the one posted by Mr Turner. It shows 'conditioning'. Does it mean the batteries are fully charged?
View attachment 103295

There is another charger next to the one above. What does this one charge?
View attachment 103296

Sorry for all these questions. Hoepfully, I can be smart enough to help others some day.

Flix
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The pronautic should charge the house/starting barriers and the black one should charge the thruster batteries.
 
Flix2 said:
Hi Gentlemen,
Could you take a look at this pic? The fuses are located by the thruster batteries in the engine room. The plastic cover of the right one is labled as BOW THRUSTER. There is no label on the left one which appears to be blown. If this non-label one is stern thruster, why would the rocker switch at the brige dash not working at all? I thought the bow thruster fuse looks fine in the picture. I orders 2 of the same 200-amp fuses from Amazon. There are other ANL 200-amp fuses that are much cheaper, used primarily by car owners. Can I use those? I probably will need a bunch of spares.
View attachment 103292

My charger under the galley steps looked different that the one posted by Mr Turner. It shows 'conditioning'. Does it mean the batteries are fully charged?
View attachment 103295

There is another charger next to the one above. What does this one charge?
View attachment 103296

Sorry for all these questions. Hoepfully, I can be smart enough to help others some day.

Flix
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The Pronautic 24/30 is for your thruster batteries. The 24 means 24 volt and 30amp. The other charger is for your mains. I had the Intelli-Power unit and never an issue. Conditioning would mean your batteries are fully charged.

Bennett
 
Can someone tell me how to get the cockpit lights apart? The ones under the bridge overhang. I want to replace bulbs with LED’s, and don’t want to force and break. I’ve got all the salon and galley changed over. And while we’re on that topic, anyone know what size LED bulb would be needed?
thanks
 
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boaterholic said:
Can someone tell me how to get the cockpit lights apart? The ones under the bridge overhang. I want to replace bulbs with LED’s, and don’t want to force and break. I’ve got all the salon and galley changed over. thanks
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If they are the Imtra lights with the polished SS ring, they can be a pain. The SS ring turns counter clockwise about 1/4 turn or so and comes off. Then you will see 3-screws holding the fixture in place. A strap wrench or I used to use the corner of a flat blade screwdriver and a hammer and tap it.

Bennett
 
bbwhitejr said:
If they are the Imtra lights with the polished SS ring, they can be a pain. The SS ring turns counter clockwise about 1/4 turn or so and comes off. Then you will see 3-screws holding the fixture in place. A strap wrench or I used to use the corner of a flat blade screwdriver and a hammer and tap it.

Bennett
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I believe that’s what they are. I see the little divets which leads me to believe they are turn a little to pop off. I need to find my strap wrench
 
Flix2 said:
Hi Gentlemen
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Ok, let me take a crack at this! EDIT: I see my long / slow reply repeats what a lot of others have already said...sorry about that!

Flix2 said:
Could you take a look at this pic? The fuses are located by the thruster batteries in the engine room. The plastic cover of the right one is labled as BOW THRUSTER. There is no label on the left one which appears to be blown. If this non-label one is stern thruster, why would the rocker switch at the brige dash not working at all?
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I would say the left one is likely for the stern thruster. Are there just two of these in total? Does one go to one solenoid and the other to the other solenoid (I assume there are two solenoids...I can't remember)? There is a fuse from the charger somewhere as well, but it should only be 30A.

Unfortunately the drawings available don't show the option with a stern thruster, so I don't know how it's wired. If you look at the what is available for a bow thruster config, the power for the rocker switch, and the indicator lamp on it, comes from that power source.

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The yellow show the 200A fuse, the line side of the solenoid (top), the load side of the solenoid (bottom) that is connected when the solenoid is energized, and the indicator lamp. Perhaps with a stern thruster, the rocker indicator is wired in an "AND" manner. If there is only one solenoid for both thrusters, then this diagram shows the switching correctly. Not sure where in the circuit the stern fuse would be...maybe on the load side?

Flix2 said:
My charger under the galley steps looked different that the one posted by Mr Turner. It shows 'conditioning'. Does it mean the batteries are fully charged?
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You can call me Brian! Conditioning is a charge mode that the charger enters periodically when the batteries are fully charged to desulfate the batteries. It looks like charging is working properly and they are fully charged.

Flix2 said:
There is another charger next to the one above. What does this one charge?
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That charger charges all the other batteries (house / starter). The other charger breaker on the panel in the salon turns it on.

Hopefully this helps!
 
boaterholic said:
I believe that’s what they are. I see the little divets which leads me to believe they are turn a little to pop off. I need to find my strap wrench
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Strap wrench or silicone BBQ gloves work!
 
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