Electric boats should appeal to clean fingernails types

Arminius

Arminius

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Bowrider 200 Select, 2003
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GM just put 150 million into Pure Watercraft of Seattle, developing electric outboards and waterproof battery packs. And I was unhappy when turbines took the noise out of Hydros! https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/22/gm-takes-a-stake-in-electric-boating-start-up-pure-watercraft.html
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Can anyone answer this, i have yet to see anything said about this anywhere, not just here but anywhere.
After everything goes electric. What is going to happen to the millions of jobs in refineries, transportation, mechanics, parts supply business. etc. Is the government going to buyout at top dollar the tens of thousands of corner gas stations or will these people lose their businesses and we will have derelict stations on every corner?
I don’t know if true but i once read 30% of businesses are somehow related to the auto industry. Electric engines will not replace these jobs.
If they think climate change will cause Armageddon, imagine when 30% of the population are walking zombies with no jobs, homes, food.
While there may have been 30% unemployment in 1930. That was 30% of a much smaller total population. Now it would be over 100 million unemployed. In 1930 i doubt the total population was 100 mil.
 
I believe the WH believes they will all become computer programmers ......just like the coal miners.
 
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The ideocracy of this line of thinking is more akin to a religion than it is science or engineering.

Micro thinking is solving a problem by moving it somewhere else. You don't want car pollution......easy give everyone electric cars and crank up the fossil burn at the Electric Power Plant. The idiots in the cars feel great about themselves and how woke they are when all they have really done is move the pollution problem to a different place. Whatever you do don't "harsh their mellow" by telling them about nuclear power or what happens to their batteries in a few years.

I find it interesting that despite all the hack "science" Americans are "concerned" about Climate Change but loose all interest in it if they have to pay for it.
 
PlayDate said:
Micro thinking is solving a problem by moving it somewhere else. You don't want car pollution......easy give everyone electric cars and crank up the fossil burn at the Electric Power Plant.
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My local plant is nuclear, and I’m all for increasing the use of nuclear power.

You are micro thinking by only looking at the car level, and your specific power plant. We need to integrate other fuel sources into the mix, and that’s easier to change at the power distribution level than it is at the consumer level. Electric cars don’t care where the electricity comes from, they will use it just the same. Gas cars can only use gas.

If we solve the battery issue, I would be on board to convert my boat to electric drive. The reduced maintenance, less noise and no smells would be welcomed by me.
 
Not me. There is nothing like the blubada blubada blubada of a 7.4 idling in the slip.
As we speak, my wife is by herself on a 350 mile trip to family in Ohio. Can make it all the way safely non stop. I dont need her hanging at a charging station for an hour or 2 in bumfark Pennsylvania.
 
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Pirate Lady said:
Not me. There is nothing like the blubada blubada blubada of a 7.4 idling in the slip.
As we speak, my wife is by herself on a 350 mile trip to family in Ohio. Can make it all the way safely non stop. I dont need her hanging at a charging station for an hour or 2 in bumfark Pennsylvania.
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Yeah, I get some people like the noise. That's okay. I also like the 8.1L idle at the dock. I just wish they were a bit quieter while underway.

I do 99.99% of my travel within 40 miles of my house. I don't have an electric F150 yet, but I will really enjoy never stopping at a gas station again. Just plug it in when I get home and unplug before I leave. My home is much safer/cleaner than any local gas station. For our yearly road trip, I'll just rent a gas SUV.
 
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Had to laugh at the “quieter underway “. On a drizzly day with top and side curtains on we use sign language cause I cant hear the wife sitting next to me. Can relate.
As for home plugs, they cant apply across 3000 miles of country, one size don’t fit all. In northern Ohio where i grew up every house has a garage. In Maryland, garages are rare. Lots of on street parking. Not conducive to overnight charging at home. I am lucky i have a double wide driveway, only one in whole development. Most park one or two in street. How they gonna charge? Does Tesla provide a 500’ cord? My 25’ shore cord cost $110. Imagine the cost and weight of 500’. Can it even be picked up? On a cold rainy February night? This whole electric car stuff is bull for a major segment of the population..
I could go on so i will. They steal copper pipes out of vacant homes, but i should leave an expensive copper cord out on the drive overnight? I had a shore cord stolen this summer, probably for the copper. Anyone think of that. Nothing and I mean absolutely hotdam freaking n o t h i n g has been thought thru but in 10 years we are all going to flip happily over to electric cars and boats. Its gonna be an epic mess.
 
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To be completely honest, sometimes I prefer the engine noise. :)
 
PlayDate said:
The ideocracy of this line of thinking is more akin to a religion than it is science or engineering.

Micro thinking is solving a problem by moving it somewhere else. You don't want car pollution......easy give everyone electric cars and crank up the fossil burn at the Electric Power Plant. The idiots in the cars feel great about themselves and how woke they are when all they have really done is move the pollution problem to a different place. Whatever you do don't "harsh their mellow" by telling them about nuclear power or what happens to their batteries in a few years.

I find it interesting that despite all the hack "science" Americans are "concerned" about Climate Change but loose all interest in it if they have to pay for it.
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I was just browsing your website. You do some nice work!


This thread has me looking at the GM e-crate motor: https://www.thedrive.com/news/37354...ke-electric-drivetrain-swaps-easier-than-ever

Now I'm curious if two of those would handle a 390DA?
 
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And there would go any savings you made by driving an EV all year. There is no perfect solution.....yet.
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I haven't done the math, but I don't think it would. Renting a car is about $100/day, so $700-800 for a week. I would only do that if we were going to be 300-500 miles away. Any farther and I would fly. Any closer and an EV would handle it just fine. And EV stations are increasing in numbers, not decreasing. So they will eventally fill that void anyway. A 300 mile range will carry you for 5-6 hours, which is my piss/eat limit. I can stop at cracker barrel, empty the piss tank, fill up the belly and the battery and be on my way.
 
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I haven't done the math, but I don't think it would. Renting a car is about $100/day, so $700-800 for a week. I would only do that if we were going to be 300-500 miles away. Any farther and I would fly. Any closer and an EV would handle it just fine. And EV stations are increasing in numbers, not decreasing. So they will eventally fill that void anyway. A 300 mile range will carry you for 5-6 hours, which is my piss/eat limit. I can stop at cracker barrel, empty the piss tank, fill up the belly and the battery and be on my way.
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Really? How many customers does a CB serve at one time on an interstate in an hour? How many charging stations will they have? You pull in pee, eat, come out and find the line is a 3 hour wait. Because not just you but every ev on the road is pulling in for juice. And while you eating, you gonna leave the wife in the car to move it up the line as cars in front done charging?
Its all sweet smelling unicorn sht. The reality is a nightmare.
 
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Really? How many customers does a CB serve at one time on an interstate in an hour? How many charging stations will they have? You pull in pee, eat, come out and find the line is a 3 hour wait. Because not just you but every ev on the road is pulling in for juice. And while you eating, you gonna leave the wife in the car to move it up the line as cars in front done charging?
Its all sweet smelling unicorn sht. The reality is a nightmare.
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Well someone asked what all of the service stations would become. Sounds like restaurants with ev chargers is a decent plan. Perhaps that’s why subway is buying space in every other service station.

Also keep in mind the vast majority of EVs charge at home. Not every EV on the road like you’re thinking. Really only the people on trips need those. That’s probably less than 1-2% on any given weekday. 5% on a weekend. And I completely made up those numbers. So correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not afraid to learn.
 
We agree. On the fact that we have no clue what the infrastructure will be, will it be enough to handle the load, what happens if it cant. The sorry thing is WE don’t know and we know as much as the people that should cause nobody knows. And this is all going to happen in ten years.
 
They had the same issue when cars started replacing horses. Adapting is the one thing we are consistently good at.

I can tell you that there isn’t a month that goes by that I don’t see a new EV charger project cross my desk. And I’m not seeing all of them. Maybe 25%. The players in this market might surprise you.
 
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Well someone asked what all of the service stations would become. Sounds like restaurants with ev chargers is a decent plan. Perhaps that’s why subway is buying space in every other service station.

Also keep in mind the vast majority of EVs charge at home. Not every EV on the road like you’re thinking. Really only the people on trips need those. That’s probably less than 1-2% on any given weekday. 5% on a weekend. And I completely made up those numbers. So correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not afraid to learn.
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You say the vast majority of EV charge at home. Did you even read the part about in my part of the country that is an impossibility?
 
Pirate Lady said:
Not me. There is nothing like the blubada blubada blubada of a 7.4 idling in the slip.
As we speak, my wife is by herself on a 350 mile trip to family in Ohio. Can make it all the way safely non stop. I dont need her hanging at a charging station for an hour or 2 in bumfark Pennsylvania.
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I agree. We just completed a 1100 mile trip. I would hate to think how long it would have taken if I had to spend hours recharging every 200-250 miles.
 
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