Rittenhouse case

Yeah spelled it wrong but you got my point.
Doesn't matter if he was on probation. Not saying he was a model citizen but that does not apply in this case. They had no legal right to stop or chase him. Whether he was 'just jogging' or casing the neighborhood doesn't matter either. 'Casing' a neighborhood is not a crime and is nearly impossible to prove even if it was. There was no crime committed and if there was it had to be witnessed by a citizen for citizens arrest to apply. Even if he had stolen from that house if nobody saw it with their own eyes then citizens arrest does not apply.
I think it matters and I think it should matter. Perhaps not in court, but certainly in the court of public opinion. In the OP's case, we had three felons against an upstanding citizen. I'll take the upstanding citizen's side right off the bat, unless it can be proven otherwise that he acted improperly. In Arbery's case he was certainly NOT a model citizen which likely was a clue why he was even there in the first place, and why neighborhood folks were suspicious. Nobody had any "right" to kill him but if a struggle ensued and he ended up getting shot, then the worst it should be is negligent homicide. The media was certainly successful in selling their propaganda as a "lynching" to the public and getting ahead of the facts.
 
I think it matters and I think it should matter. Perhaps not in court, but certainly in the court of public opinion. In the OP's case, we had three felons against an upstanding citizen. I'll take the upstanding citizen's side right off the bat, unless it can be proven otherwise that he acted improperly. In Arbery's case he was certainly NOT a model citizen which likely was a clue why he was even there in the first place, and why neighborhood folks were suspicious. Nobody had any "right" to kill him but if a struggle ensued and he ended up getting shot, then the worst it should be is negligent homicide. The media was certainly successful in selling their propaganda as a "lynching" to the public and getting ahead of the facts.
We can all armchair QB after the fact when we have all of the facts. At that instant those 3 guys had no idea who Arbery was or what his background was and did not witness any crime being committed so had no legal right to pursue him. Anything that happens after that point is on their shoulders. If it was law enforcement and they were aware of his background then that may give them reasonable suspicion to detain him to see what he was up to but a private citizen does not have that right.
 
We can all armchair QB after the fact when we have all of the facts. At that instant those 3 guys had no idea who Arbery was or what his background was and did not witness any crime being committed so had no legal right to pursue him. Anything that happens after that point is on their shoulders. If it was law enforcement and they were aware of his background then that may give them reasonable suspicion to detain him to see what he was up to but a private citizen does not have that right.
Totally agree. You cannot have a vigilante society. Its hugely dangerous.

I can tell you that if I was running down a road and someone came at me with a shotgun, you can damn well bet I am going to struggle to get that gun off him if I think I can't run away. It could be a life or death situation and I am not taking that chance. And following the arguments in the "should I buy a gun" thread, if I had one, I would use it to defend myself if I knew there was court precedent that vigilante citizens can plead self defense.

I expect some will say, well the kid should have just listened to what he was told and submit. REALLY? Is that what you would do if three armed guys in a truck stop you in the road when you are out jogging because they think you might have something to do with a crime? I would for the police, no question. But 3 armed guys in a truck?
 
Totally agree. You cannot have a vigilante society. Its hugely dangerous.

I can tell you that if I was running down a road and someone came at me with a shotgun, you can damn well bet I am going to struggle to get that gun off him if I think I can't run away. It could be a life or death situation and I am not taking that chance. And following the arguments in the "should I buy a gun" thread, if I had one, I would use it to defend myself if I knew there was court precedent that vigilante citizens can plead self defense.

I expect some will say, well the kid should have just listened to what he was told and submit. REALLY? Is that what you would do if three armed guys in a truck stop you in the road when you are out jogging because they think you might have something to do with a crime? I would for the police, no question. But 3 armed guys in a truck?

And see, just like that @Creekwood has become a concealed carrier when he runs! There's really only one way to protect yourself from a crazy person...
 
We can all armchair QB after the fact when we have all of the facts. At that instant those 3 guys had no idea who Arbery was or what his background was and did not witness any crime being committed so had no legal right to pursue him. Anything that happens after that point is on their shoulders. If it was law enforcement and they were aware of his background then that may give them reasonable suspicion to detain him to see what he was up to but a private citizen does not have that right.
That's absolutely not true! They knew (at least the two guys, not necessarily the Roddy guy) that it was the same guy who had been in that house multiple times in the past
 
That's absolutely not true! They knew (at least the two guys, not necessarily the Roddy guy) that it was the same guy who had been in that house multiple times in the past
Doesn't matter. #1 they did not witness him committing any crimes that day. Think of it this way...you are in a store and see a kid steal a pack of gum but nothing is done. A few days later you see that same kid walking down the street and you go tackle him because of a few days earlier. What do you think will happen when the police get there? Additionally, from what I heard on TV (not that they are a reliable source) he did not commit any crimes by entering that house. The house was open (no doors) and there were no no trespassing signs posted. What were the crimes?
 
So I can go on &/or in any property if there's no "postings" w/o any repercussions?

Shit, I'm going to get on anyone's cockpit then that doesn't have canvas closing it off to "check it out". No more appointments to look at boats!!!
 
So I can go on &/or in any property if there's no "postings" w/o any repercussions?

Shit, I'm going to get on anyone's cockpit then that doesn't have canvas closing it off to "check it out". No more appointments to look at boats!!!
Yep!

I believe (at least in GA) that it's called "CRIMINAL TRESSPASS" when you're in someone else's house without permission.
 
Yep!

I believe (at least in GA) that it's called "CRIMINAL TRESSPASS" when you're in someone else's house without permission.
I'm not up on S.C. laws but what an attorney said the other day was because there were no doors keeping people out and there were no signs that there was no law broken in regards to trespassing. Either way none of that matters if they did not see him do it with their own eyes. That is a major component of the citizens arrest laws. I also believe it needs to be a felony for citizens arrest to apply but could be wrong there. If that is the case then walking onto someones property is not a felony. Either way, they had no legal authority or right to affect a citizens arrest so therefore they had no right to be chasing him demanding him to stop.
 
So I can go on &/or in any property if there's no "postings" w/o any repercussions?

Shit, I'm going to get on anyone's cockpit then that doesn't have canvas closing it off to "check it out". No more appointments to look at boats!!!
You might as well go below too if the door ain't locked, open some cabinets, look around, maybe make a sammich and grab a brewski...drop a deuce in the head too if ya' gotta go. :rolleyes:
 
Some commie ASU college students are demanding Rittenhouse be kicked off the online classes and banned from campus. They say “Our campus is already unsafe as is and we would like to abate this danger as much as possible,”
 
I’m sure there’ll be a movie, a book, and all kinds of money makers. The libertards are fuming. LMAO!
 
That's absolutely not true! They knew (at least the two guys, not necessarily the Roddy guy) that it was the same guy who had been in that house multiple times in the past
When a neighbor down the street at our lake was building their place, most of us neighbors were curious about the layout. Before the house was framed in, we took a stroll in the foundation and on the construction site to see what was happening. Oh the horror - we did it multiple times! I guess if later I was jogging down that street, I should have expected to be subject to a citizens arrest at gunpoint?

Now if the kid had driven up in a white panel van, backed it up to the construction site, opened the back doors, and then ran when someone came up to him, maybe a citizens arrest might have been warranted.
 
I’m sure there’ll be a movie, a book, and all kinds of money makers. The libertards are fuming. LMAO!
If by libertards, you are saying stupid people that value the freedom ("liberty") to jog down a street in a nice neighborhood without getting killed in an incompetent and unjustified vigilante citizens arrest, then I think for a change, some people might agree with you and be fuming.
 
So what person in their right mind chases down another guy holding an AR?

They got what they had comin.
Good riddance.
You never cease to amaze me with what you say. So lets say a guy (a true good Samaritan) sees a teenager running down the road towards a school with an AR (like say in Sandy Hook), and the good guy, because he has a CC permit and a handgun, chases the guy to try to stop him, and gets shot and killed. I guess the good Samaritan deserved it, right? So what person in their right mind chases down another guy holding an AR. Good riddance.

I understand that you align politically with Rittenhouse, and that's OK. And the guys that tried to disarm them were not saints. I also don't think Rittenhouse deserves to go to jail for getting himself into the wrong place at the wrong time.

But "they got what they had comin" and "good riddance" is just pathetic to say.
 
Any organization banning Rittenhouse from anything should be sued under Civil Rights laws.
They won't ban him any more than they could ban anyone that was accused of a crime and acquitted .
And the other students are just expressing their 1st amendment right to free speech to express their views. I expect that there may be some on the other side that will then bring their weapons on campus to express their views on 2nd amendment rights. But I hope not. Not a lot good would come of that.
 
I am a conservative. But those boys in GA f#$% up when they killed that man . Just my opinion, I think their emotions got ahead of their thinking.
 

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