Rittenhouse case

El Capitan said:
None of this changes the charges against him. The gun was in his hand. It fired. It killed a person.
Wether the hammer was back, finger on trigger or not, it’s his hand, pointing at her, and while in his hand it fires.

Toast.
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This will probably be the first and only time I ever agree with El capitan’s post. Except that I think there is a going to be a list of other culpable people that are guilty of something.

Who ever put that round in that gun is culpable too. Whoever was responsible for gun safety protocols and monitoring is culpable. (If there was no such protocols, then whoever was responsible (legally or common sense) to ensure that they were in place is culpable.

I will be exactly the same process with that horrible tragedy in Michigan. There is a lot of mistakes that were made and there is more than just that kid that is culpable.
 
Creekwood said:
Who ever put that round in that gun is culpable too. Whoever was responsible for gun safety protocols and monitoring is culpable. (If there was no such protocols, then whoever was responsible (legally or common sense) to ensure that they were in place is culpable.

I will be exactly the same process with that horrible tragedy in Michigan. There is a lot of mistakes that were made and there is more than just that kid that is culpable.
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Alec is in charge of gun safety protocols because he picked up the gun, period. The responsibility lies with him. It’s not Trumps fault, the guns fault, or dare I say the prop managers fault. People forget at times that a round is chambered, that’s why you check and double check.

Flip it around. If “you” grabbed a gun, assumed it was unloaded because someone told you it was, didn’t check it, aimed at someone, fired, and killed the person you were aiming at, who’s fault would that be? The guy that told you it was unloaded? Also, do you think you would be able to walk the streets without posting bail afterward?
 
Creekwood said:
This will probably be the first and only time I ever agree with El capitan’s post. Except that I think there is a going to be a list of other culpable people that are guilty of something.

Who ever put that round in that gun is culpable too. Whoever was responsible for gun safety protocols and monitoring is culpable. (If there was no such protocols, then whoever was responsible (legally or common sense) to ensure that they were in place is culpable.

I will be exactly the same process with that horrible tragedy in Michigan. There is a lot of mistakes that were made and there is more than just that kid that is culpable.
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Creekwood, if you haven’t already heard, the Michigan kid’s parents have been charged with unintentional homicide also.
 
Steve S said:
Creekwood, if you haven’t already heard, the Michigan kid’s parents have been charged with unintentional homicide also.
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I watched part of that arraignment this morning….. $500k each bail…next time don’t run. And don’t text your son not to do it with the gun you just bought him for Christmas…. Geez…. All three of them spending Christmas in the same jail…. Talk about a shit turn for the worse… I can’t imagine what the victims families must be going thru as well…. Completely unbelievable and for what?…. I don’t understand
 
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Blueone said:
I watched part of that arraignment this morning….. $500k each bail…next time don’t run. And don’t text your son not to do it with the gun you just bought him for Christmas…. Geez…. All three of them spending Christmas in the same jail…. Talk about a shit turn for the worse… I can’t imagine what the victims families must be going thru as well…. Completely unbelievable and for what?…. I don’t understand
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Yup, criminals ain't the brightest folks in the county.
 
Blueone said:
I watched part of that arraignment this morning….. $500k each bail…next time don’t run. And don’t text your son not to do it with the gun you just bought him for Christmas…. Geez…. All three of them spending Christmas in the same jail…. Talk about a shit turn for the worse… I can’t imagine what the victims families must be going thru as well…. Completely unbelievable and for what?…. I don’t understand
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Woody said:
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After the parents had heard about the shooting, reportedly the father checked for the gun and found it was missing and called the cops to tell them it might be his son as the shooter. His mom texted the son with something like "don't do it", but that was probably after the shooting had happened (or at least started).
 
She also texted him 'you need to learn to not get caught' or something like that. Not sure if that was in reference to the shooting or to him getting in trouble in school for Googling ammo
 
km1125 said:
After the parents had heard about the shooting, reportedly the father checked for the gun and found it was missing and called the cops to tell them it might be his son as the shooter. His mom texted the son with something like "don't do it", but that was probably after the shooting had happened (or at least started).
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I'll wait until I see some facts before I judge those parents but generally speaking it's a slippery slope.
 
Steve S said:
Creekwood, if you haven’t already heard, the Michigan kid’s parents have been charged with unintentional homicide also.
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I did hear that. I guess we'll find out the whole story once it comes out. Hard to tell fact from media hype, but there is more to the story than we know at this point. I cannot imagine the pain and anguish the parent and friends of those kids that were killed are feeling. There needs to be a better system for dealing with mental illness than there is now. There always seems to be red flags that come out after the fact.
 
OllieC said:
Alec is in charge of gun safety protocols because he picked up the gun, period. The responsibility lies with him. It’s not Trumps fault, the guns fault, or dare I say the prop managers fault. People forget at times that a round is chambered, that’s why you check and double check.

Flip it around. If “you” grabbed a gun, assumed it was unloaded because someone told you it was, didn’t check it, aimed at someone, fired, and killed the person you were aiming at, who’s fault would that be? The guy that told you it was unloaded? Also, do you think you would be able to walk the streets without posting bail afterward?
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I agree. Its basic basic gun safety. I assume that he would have taken some training, even if it was only a prop. I presume that your US gun courses have the same "rules". The first thing you do is control the muzzle and check to see if it is loaded. If it it is, you unload it completely and only load it with proper ammo (or blanks I guess) when you are going to use it. But who knows, maybe he has never taken a gun safety course. I can tell you my wife would not know what to do if someone asked her to pick up a gun. Not a clue.
 
Blueone said:
I watched part of that arraignment this morning….. $500k each bail…next time don’t run. And don’t text your son not to do it with the gun you just bought him for Christmas…. Geez…. All three of them spending Christmas in the same jail…. Talk about a shit turn for the worse… I can’t imagine what the victims families must be going thru as well…. Completely unbelievable and for what?…. I don’t understand
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Mental illness is very hard to understand. The kid was clearly troubled.

I thought mom's text was after she knew about the shooting? I may have that wrong, but if so, maybe she was telling him not to kill himself?

That father though, must be a real POS. To sit there at the school with all of that troubling information, and knowing that he had just bought a handgun that his kid may have, and then to tell the school that they did not want him to go home with them. Presumably he knew that his kid was troubled, but maybe not.
 
Kind of interesting they're charging the kid with 'terrorism'. Everybody is a victim.

'prosecutors in suburban Detroit on Wednesday charged a 15-year-old boy suspected of opening fire on his classmates with a charge that is rare in school shooting cases: terrorism.

The prosecution said the charge was intended to hold the boy, Ethan Crumbley, accountable for the harm committed against students who were not physically injured but will carry emotional scars from the attack.

“What about all the children who ran screaming, hiding under desks?” Karen D. McDonald, the Oakland County prosecutor, said at a news briefing. “What about all the children at home right now who can’t eat and can’t sleep and can’t imagine a world where they can ever step foot back in that school? Those are victims too, and so are their families and so is the community. And the charge of terrorism reflects that.”
 
Creekwood said:
I agree. Its basic basic gun safety. I assume that he would have taken some training, even if it was only a prop. I presume that your US gun courses have the same "rules". The first thing you do is control the muzzle and check to see if it is loaded. If it it is, you unload it completely and only load it with proper ammo (or blanks I guess) when you are going to use it. But who knows, maybe he has never taken a gun safety course. I can tell you my wife would not know what to do if someone asked her to pick up a gun. Not a clue.
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There's a whole section in the industry guidelines (adopted by the Screen Actor's Guild, which I'm sure Baldwin is a member of), that deals with the handling of weapons on the set. He's been a member for a long time I'd presume and been in a lot of movies with guns. Has he always ignored those rules or just for this filming?
 
Woody said:
Kind of interesting they're charging the kid with 'terrorism'. Everybody is a victim.

'prosecutors in suburban Detroit on Wednesday charged a 15-year-old boy suspected of opening fire on his classmates with a charge that is rare in school shooting cases: terrorism.

The prosecution said the charge was intended to hold the boy, Ethan Crumbley, accountable for the harm committed against students who were not physically injured but will carry emotional scars from the attack.

“What about all the children who ran screaming, hiding under desks?” Karen D. McDonald, the Oakland County prosecutor, said at a news briefing. “What about all the children at home right now who can’t eat and can’t sleep and can’t imagine a world where they can ever step foot back in that school? Those are victims too, and so are their families and so is the community. And the charge of terrorism reflects that.”
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Yea, that whole "terrorism" thing is a joke. The kid should fry for the murder charges, but throwing that other charge in is just political or popular appeasement.
 
km1125. If that shooting doesn't qualify as an act of domestic terrorism I'm not sure what would. Keep in mind though, that if they stack on every charge that fits, or that they think might fit, those can always be dealt away when they get down to plea bargaining.
 
Creekwood said:
No @RBB, I don’t have you blocked or anyone else. I actually want to hear other peoples views and perspectives. Unlike some on this forum, I don’t think someone that has a polar opposite view from me is an “idiot” or “uniformed” or “sheep”.

And as a Canadian, I actually want to understand the perspectives of Americans. I actually think compared to most “foreigners” I have a pretty good understanding of the reasons why things are the way they are. And it gets better every day. I have actually learned a lot from this forum and changed my views as a result of what I have learned. The US is a very different place politically and attitudinally from many places in the world. For good reason. Its not perfect, but no country or system is. Countries cant be perfect, because humans aren’t perfect or cookie cutter products.

But I have very little tolerance for people that do not ever try to see other perspectives. Or for those that very quickly resort to insults in a thread. (Even those on “my side” of an issue). And my posts sometimes get a few people fired up. I hope none feel insulted. I do my best to not insult individuals. Challenged on their views is OK.[/QUOTE
Sir if I have been name calling or insulting you I apollogize.
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km1125 said:
Yea, that whole "terrorism" thing is a joke. The kid should fry for the murder charges, but throwing that other charge in is just political or popular appeasement.
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Overreach by the prosecution loses more cases than it wins. Juries don't do well when they find someone Not Guilty on one count and Guilty on another. The Terrorism charge is media catnip. Focus on proving murder in the First degree and trying the kid as an adult and forget about the catnip.

Also charging the parents when you don't have them in custody is just a publicity whore move especially when you lay out the text messages they sent their son as your "evidence".
 
km1125 said:
Yea, that whole "terrorism" thing is a joke. The kid should fry for the murder charges, but throwing that other charge in is just political or popular appeasement.
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Im on board with terrorism….
 
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