420/44 DB Owners Club

Discussion in 'Sport Yachts/Yachts' started by Alex F, Jan 21, 2011.

  1. ZZ13

    ZZ13 Well-Known Member

    Nov 25, 2009
    Lady's Island, SC
    2001 400 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins 450 Diamond
    On your predecessor, the 400 DB, the factory default was 25' chain and 220' of rope. That came with an anchor cleat to tie off the rope. The factory option of 200' of all chain deleted the anchor cleat and replaced it with the chain stop.
     
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  2. my3sons

    my3sons Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Feb 24, 2009
    NY (Lake Erie)
    2004 400DB, Onan 9 kw Gen, Highfield RIB,
    Cummins 6CTA
    Did you have a combination rode?
    I have always been under the impression that boats that came from the factory with the all chain option have the chain stop, boats that are combination chain/rope have a cleat.
    I have the chain stop, but there are times when I wish I had a cleat also.
     
  3. my3sons

    my3sons Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Feb 24, 2009
    NY (Lake Erie)
    2004 400DB, Onan 9 kw Gen, Highfield RIB,
    Cummins 6CTA
    I grabbed this picture last week and then forgot to post it. The posts above reminded me, sorry for the delay.
    As you can see, not much had to go, just about 3/16".
    IMG_E0573.JPG

    As a fyi, now when the anchor is hauled all the way in, it comes home against the top roller and the very bottom of the assembly as shown by the red arrow. The 25 may fit differently.
    IMG_E0576_LI (2).jpg
     
  4. sb in gp

    sb in gp Member GOLD Sponsor

    796
    Oct 10, 2006
    Grosse Pointe, MI
    2017 460 Sundancer
    Cummins QSB-550 w/Zeus Pod Drives
    I had about 30' of chain then about 150 feet of rope.
     
  5. bajturner

    bajturner Member

    574
    Aug 17, 2010
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    2008 44 Sedan Bridge
    Avon 380DL RIB w/ Yamaha 40
    Twin QSC-500 HO
    Me too!
     
  6. craigswardmtb

    craigswardmtb Active Member

    143
    Jul 2, 2013
    Mystic, CT
    2004 420 DB
    2005 360 Fiesta Vee
    Cummins 6CTA
    I just picked up 100' of chain and a Rocna 25. Pretty good deal at Defender with their Defender 1st membership. Now to installing it this weekend. I also picked up the material to make a bridle. Time to go watch some videos on how to splice onto the thimble.
     
  7. Keith Zibilich

    Keith Zibilich Member

    89
    Nov 7, 2016
    New Orleans
    2008 Sea Ray 47 Sedan Bridge, Raymarine Axiom, FLIR M232
    Cummins QSC 600
    I recently purchased a chain hook from Mantus and created a bridal. YouTube has some great videos on creating eye splices. My splices may not win a beauty contest but, I guarantee they will hold.

    IMG_3236.jpeg
     
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  8. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    Nice work on that bridle!
     
  9. Islandtime04

    Islandtime04 Member

    41
    Dec 10, 2017
    Chesapeake Bay
    2004 420 Sedan Bridge
    Walker Bay 325 Super Tender 30hp Tohatsu
    Cummins 8.3 480CE's
    Did you get your answer?
     
  10. Islandtime04

    Islandtime04 Member

    41
    Dec 10, 2017
    Chesapeake Bay
    2004 420 Sedan Bridge
    Walker Bay 325 Super Tender 30hp Tohatsu
    Cummins 8.3 480CE's
    I have the exact same set up. Tender and all. I haven't notice fuel burn differences, but I do know that even with the tabs pushed down, my ass squats lower in the water. This makes water "splash" more from the sides and also pushes water back up my cockpit engine hatch drains. If you notice your cockpit carpet getting wet, that's why. With that said...I LOVE the setup. We love tender rides and this setup is sweet and the envy of any anchorage.
     
  11. Chipfloater

    Chipfloater New Member

    3
    Aug 27, 2019
    2006 Sea Ray Sedan Bridge 44
    Cummins
    Sorry for my slow response. I didn't check for replies soon enough. Yes, I did get an answer, but I have not yet had the opportunity to look for and find the other shutoff valve on top of each tank. I'm sure you are both correct - it's there and I just didn't find it.

    Thanks again.

    Chip
     
  12. Islandtime04

    Islandtime04 Member

    41
    Dec 10, 2017
    Chesapeake Bay
    2004 420 Sedan Bridge
    Walker Bay 325 Super Tender 30hp Tohatsu
    Cummins 8.3 480CE's
    I'm winterizing on Saturday. If I remember I'll take a pic and post it.
     
  13. craigswardmtb

    craigswardmtb Active Member

    143
    Jul 2, 2013
    Mystic, CT
    2004 420 DB
    2005 360 Fiesta Vee
    Cummins 6CTA
    Gents - In winterizing my CTA's do i need to clamp the lines going to the dripless shaft seals so the pink makes it all the way through the system?
     
  14. carterchapman

    carterchapman Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 25, 2008
    Lake Chickamauga/Marietta, GA/Ft. Myers, FL
    2006 Sea Ray 58 DB
    MAN CRM V8-900s, Twin Disc Drives; Onan 21.5 Generator
    Keith,

    How many feet of line did you use on each side of your bridle?

    Best to you and Kimberly!
     
  15. Islandtime04

    Islandtime04 Member

    41
    Dec 10, 2017
    Chesapeake Bay
    2004 420 Sedan Bridge
    Walker Bay 325 Super Tender 30hp Tohatsu
    Cummins 8.3 480CE's
    Good question. I have never worried about it...but, I keep my boat in MD, not CT.
     
  16. Tomco

    Tomco Active Member

    283
    Aug 16, 2012
    Ottawa, Ontario
    2004 420 Sedan Bridge
    GHS Hydraulic Lift
    11' Walker Bay, 30hp
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3M
    It would seem that the binding at the thimble would be a weak spot and eventually pull apart - not that it would affect the strength but it would slide around the thimble and potentially be a chafing concern. Were/are you concerned at all? Based on what I have read it seemed that a 'separate' line to each side was 'best'.

    The Mantus bridle has one line from the thimble and then they braid it to branch off to the two lines. I made mine as well but ended up putting two shackles on the Mantus hook.
     
  17. Tomco

    Tomco Active Member

    283
    Aug 16, 2012
    Ottawa, Ontario
    2004 420 Sedan Bridge
    GHS Hydraulic Lift
    11' Walker Bay, 30hp
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3M
    I used 25' … I don't have a loop at the end and can adjust according to the conditions.
     
  18. Keith Zibilich

    Keith Zibilich Member

    89
    Nov 7, 2016
    New Orleans
    2008 Sea Ray 47 Sedan Bridge, Raymarine Axiom, FLIR M232
    Cummins QSC 600
    Hey Carter, hope things are going great for you guys and sorry we missed each other in Orange Beach. I created the bridal with 16' on each leg. I've used it a few times and have to say it may have been the $100 investment for the boat.
     
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  19. Keith Zibilich

    Keith Zibilich Member

    89
    Nov 7, 2016
    New Orleans
    2008 Sea Ray 47 Sedan Bridge, Raymarine Axiom, FLIR M232
    Cummins QSC 600
    I considered creating the bridal with two separate thimbles on each leg but, decided to use the chafe guard and sew a single thimble in. I may change it in the future but, I think this will hold up pretty well. Plus, if it does fail the chain picks up the load with no safety risk.
     
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2019
  20. becnme

    becnme Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    146
    Oct 31, 2008
    Fort Myers
    07 44 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC 500
    It has taken me a while to open up my walkway after reading the posts on trapped water. I removed close to 20 Gal of water from my walkway. This is a new to me boat and the previous owner was not one to keep a dry bilge and the water enters through little cracks or voids in the fiberglass tabs used to install the walkway. I discovered this after I repaired all the leaks and got a dry bilge. Every time I ran the boat water would fill the rear sump. I went into the engine room to look for the leak while underway and found water dripping out around the walkway! This will be repaired with some glass cloth in the near future.
    Thanks to this site and all the members for putting all of this great info out there.
     

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