58 Sedan Bridge Official Thread

New to forum. I own a 47 sedan bridge and love it. But i am looking at a 58 sb in the near future.i want to use the boat in the Bahamas and the western Carib. Wondering if there are limitations as far as the rough waters crossing over from the Bahamas to the west. I was told to consider 60 to 64 hatts in the mid 2000 for safe passage. But i have had my boat for 7 years and would consider staying with searay . Any thoughs will be appreciated.
 
Carter, ok, I'll bite. What was the error code and what was the problem? And I do hope this does not turn into another "58DB cousin" sympathy problem.
So it's worked fine for two weekends, so I didn't read the codes...I'll wait till it hiccups again...
 
New to forum. I own a 47 sedan bridge and love it. But i am looking at a 58 sb in the near future.i want to use the boat in the Bahamas and the western Carib. Wondering if there are limitations as far as the rough waters crossing over from the Bahamas to the west. I was told to consider 60 to 64 hatts in the mid 2000 for safe passage. But i have had my boat for 7 years and would consider staying with searay . Any thoughs will be appreciated.

It will be interesting to hear 580DB owners feedback, but I'll share my opinion. I think you need to set your expectation realistically. Have you ever been in rough water in your 470DB? If yes, how did it handle it, what you wish it did better and what do you expect 580DB will do different?

Years ago I was in a group of boats (all SRs) ranging from 50 to 60'ers. We got caught in rough water. Being the smaller, I was the end boat. After riding for a little I could see that something just was not right, everyone was getting hammered. I decided to change the strategy and do what made sense if I was alone. I know my boat well and know how to ride it in different conditions. So, I changed my course and the speed. The situation drastically improved and I ended a lead boat for the remainder of the trip. Looking behind me, I could clearly see that those larger vessels were not experiencing much more comfort than I was on my boat.

My point here is that whatever your comfort or limit zone is (whether it 3-5'ers or 4-6'ers) on your 470DB, of course 580DB will add some comfort, but it would be very marginal. Don't expect a miracle. IMO, whenever you determine as a no-go conditions on your boat, it most likely be the same on 580DB. As you may know that most factors are the hull construction and the weight. The hull construction is very similar and the weight difference between 470 and 580 is around 15K, which doesn't make world of a difference in rough water.

Hatteras 60-64..... There's a drastic difference in the hull construction and of course the weight. Hatt 60 is more than double of 470's weight. Now, that's a difference. Would I expect much better ride from 60/64 Hatt than my boat or your 470? Absolutely! If you scan the market, you'll see that 60/64 Hatts (similar years range) are going for double (or more) of the price range for 580s. There's obviously a reason for it. You're not comparing apples to apples. To get closer to those Hatts you need to be in SR's "L" class. When you start comparing L65FLY to 60/64 Hatts, that's much more of a fair comparison. But, not the DB category.
 
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Thanks for the info.we are on Lake Ontario with its particulaties. Short steep waves 3 to 6 feet.so the boat gets knoked arond a lot.was looking at the sr 59 L bridge. Not a great quality boat from many threads on other forums.so we are still looking around.the 58 bridge looked a good step up but i will wait for other opinions.the next boat will be our last boat before retiring.thanks again.
 
Anyone having trouble with their sliding door lock set? Seems like I am having to adjust the latchplate up/down to a very precise point to get the lock to work properly. I contacted Taylormade for a price on their P/N 5101780 lockset, and they said $3,556 and not available! I went back and said I don't need the whole door - just the lockset!! I'm waiting to hear.

I'm going to take some measurements and see if this one fits:
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/271432219332
 
Anyone having trouble with their sliding door lock set? Seems like I am having to adjust the latchplate up/down to a very precise point to get the lock to work properly. I contacted Taylormade for a price on their P/N 5101780 lockset, and they said $3,556 and not available! I went back and said I don't need the whole door - just the lockset!! I'm waiting to hear.

I'm going to take some measurements and see if this one fits:
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/271432219332
I’ve had the issue but was able to adjust the latch plate to achieve consistent locking. That said it’s not easy. Suspect alignment must change over time ant the original adjustment tolerance is removed and you end up on one side of the tolerance band. Probably resetting the door is more beneficial than a new lock set or door. But.... you don’t know until you try. Please keep us posted as I think this will a recurring issue for the group.
 
Carter,

I agree that most likely there's nothing wrong with your lock set. The door just needs to be adjusted. I did it on mine couple times. As 550DB said, the door gets out of alignment over the years. Should be an easy fix.
 
New to forum. I own a 47 sedan bridge and love it. But i am looking at a 58 sb in the near future.i want to use the boat in the Bahamas and the western Carib. Wondering if there are limitations as far as the rough waters crossing over from the Bahamas to the west. I was told to consider 60 to 64 hatts in the mid 2000 for safe passage. But i have had my boat for 7 years and would consider staying with searay . Any thoughs will be appreciated.

There is a major difference between the Bahamas and the Western Caribbean. From FL the Bahamas are a 2 hour ride and you can pick your weather. With a watermaker and good preventive maintenance the 58DB would work for 2-4 people cruising. You would have the range to do most passages at speed, but be mindful that clean fuel is not always easy to find and pricer than in FL.

Getting to the Western Caribbean is the hard part. You could certainly do it with enough crew (I’d say at least 6), but you’re talking slow speed or mega fuel bladders. The boat can do it, but you’ll have to decide if the crew is up to it.

In my opinion, the 58 DB is a great boat but its achilles heal is the soft enclosure with no windshield wipers. Spray or rain will blind you, slowing you down to idle speed. Some have added wipes on a glass panel, others run with the enclosure open. But to me, the open bridge is a non starter for long passages due to wind fatigue. A secondary pitfall is fuel capacity/ range. You are limited to about 250nm range.

Boats like Hatteras, Viking, Maritimo, Riviera, etc. are more solidly built with robust systems and will have significantly better range, and sea handling capability. Some people would also consider a lower helm a necessity- I’m happy with upper helm only.
 
Carter,

I agree that most likely there's nothing wrong with your lock set. The door just needs to be adjusted. I did it on mine couple times. As 550DB said, the door gets out of alignment over the years. Should be an easy fix.
I’ve fixed it a number of times, but each time is a PITA to get the striker plate at the right height.
 
I’ve fixed it a number of times, but each time is a PITA to get the striker plate at the right height.
I'm guessing the plate striker slides back down over time. Might try some Locktight (blue I think - reversible) and/or inserting some double sided tape (thin) between the clamping surfaces prior to tightening the screws back down. It isn't the best design for sure. Also is there a way to adjust the tracks so the door rides a bit higher up? This may give more leeway with the latch position.
 
I’ve fixed it a number of times, but each time is a PITA to get the striker plate at the right height.
Hey Carter - are the roller trucks adjusted correctly and rolling smoothly? Also, is the door and jamb (where the latch is) parallel?
 
@ttmott - rollers are good. Door is slightly out of square and I’ve worked around it, but I adjusted it closer When we were leaving.
@550 DB - great idea about the blue loctite! I add that to the final adjustments.
 
Yes - great video - I've watched it before.

I heard back from TaylorMade again - the actual price of the lockset alone is $3500! It must be made from "unobtainium" - a rare metal!! oh - and none are available!!

I think I'll get with @quality time and see if we can get his machine shop to make some!!
Holy smokes! I think I'll be opening the door for everyone on my boat from now on.....
SR probably paid a thou for the entire door...
 
Thanks Carter, had a rod holder reseated by the yard and now I see a dangling tube and not sure where it drains to.

On the props we had Teignbridge 28x34 (4 blade) but we were also WOT 2325 rpm @ full load (Fuel, water, dingy, teal) and wanted to move that to 2350 or slightly over per MAN recommendations. We put on Veem 28x30x5 (blade) Interceptors with 1.0 mm strips making an equivalent 31.5 pitch. This was the Veem recommendation. Once we get sorted here I 'll get some numbers for you.

Here's a follow up on the new Veems I put on - Veem star Interceptors: 28x30x5 1.0 MM strips 31.5 " effective pitch Note the are the 800 hp motors not the 900's

Boat fully loaded, Full to the vent fuel, Zodaic 340 Yachtline Dingy, every piece of gear, 2/3 water, One person
1100 rpm 10.9 mph, 1200 - 11.5, 1300 - 12.5, 1400 - 12.9, 1500 - 13.7, 1600 - 14.8, 1700 -16.8 , 1850 - 21.3, 1950 - 23.6, 2025 - 24.6, 2100 - 26.3, 2190 - 28.6, 2330-2350 -31.6

1/2 fuel, 1/2 water, no Dingy, 4 People, full gear
1700 18.4 mph
same trip load but 3/8 fuel
1700 -19, 1800 - 21.1, 1840 - 21.7, 1870 -22.6 WOT *2330-2350 32 MPH

Still a bit low at WOT. Working with Veem may adjust strips to get a bit more rpm maybe more speed.

Only thing of note is the top end didn't move much when we lowered the load considerably.

Thanks
 
4 blades or 5? With my old props, I got 23.5 Kts at 2000 RPM/80% load w/full everything w/CRM 900, WOT 2340/2350, so your #'s sound good!
I just hung a new set, and my numbers are ugly now - 80% load @ 1750 and WOT of only 2250. They will have to be redone. While we are on the river/lake system, we really don't run above 1000 RPM, so I will wait for next haulout to swap them out...
 
4 blades or 5? With my old props, I got 23.5 Kts at 2000 RPM/80% load w/full everything w/CRM 900, WOT 2340/2350, so your #'s sound good!
I just hung a new set, and my numbers are ugly now - 80% load @ 1750 and WOT of only 2250. They will have to be redone. While we are on the river/lake system, we really don't run above 1000 RPM, so I will wait for next haulout to swap them out...

Thanks Carter,
These are 5 blades and my numbers are MPH "not" Kts so meh. MAN really likes the WOT fully loaded to tip 2350 i.e. 2360. You might limit the time at cruise until resolved. I'm debating with the VEEM tech as to whether to swap the strips that modulate the cup/pitch down to get a bit more RPM, (nice feature of the interceptors) but were close.
 
Thanks. Yes, we are limiting it to 10kts - which, due to submerged logs on the river system, is prudent...I do run to 80% load to get oil temps above 212° for a few minutes...once we change props we should be back to 2350 WOT. My spares ae spec'd to their previous settings...

My broker says Veems do 1.5 to 2 kts better...about $14K for two...
 
Sounds goods other than those logs! Yikes! Price is consistent with others. The five blades are supposedly for more lift which obviously helps with trim and angle of attack, basically more forward thrust.
 

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