I stand corrected. I had the TracVision 4 prior to replacing it with the TV5.
58 Sedan Bridge Official Thread
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- Mar 25, 2008
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- 2006 Sea Ray 58 DB
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Tom - I so appreciate your knowledge and experience - you make me realize how poorly my BS ME and MS AE degrees are lacking in EE - but I'm not going back!! My sister was a ChemE and I always realized she was the "smart one". I haven't been asked yet to design a supersonic converging/diverging exhaust yet!! ! certainly enjoyed what McDonnell did with that on the F-4, but was glad I didn't have to design it! My favorite was the Concorde inlet - slowed the air from 1300+ MPH to 500 in 6’!
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Thanks for posting that. I didn't realize ours wasn't completely obsolete. I've been intending to let ours find a new home... No interest in satellite TV.
-Chris
I should add that all KVH antennas until you get into the HD series are limited to the Ku frequency band. DTV uses the Ka frequency band for their HD programming and Ku band for their SD programming. Dish TV uses the Ku band for all of their programming.
I have read that someone replaced the LNB on their KVH antenna and re-programmed the antenna to receive the Direct TV HD Ka band satellites. However I'm skeptical as it is more complex than simply changing the LNB and re-directing the antenna position.
I have read that someone replaced the LNB on their KVH antenna and re-programmed the antenna to receive the Direct TV HD Ka band satellites. However I'm skeptical as it is more complex than simply changing the LNB and re-directing the antenna position.
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Morgan Jane
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MAN raw water piping. Can anyone tell me if they think this piping is powder coated Copper. There is an "M" with a triangle stamped over the M. Mueller makes copper fittings and this is the same image they put on their copper fittings. But then everywhere I read it says raw water and copper is a no no. What gives?
I can’t say for sure. But I know when I had CATs the raw water tubing was brass. Mueller also makes brass tubing and joints, so my guess is our MANs use brass tubing on the raw water system?
bmac
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- Jan 11, 2008
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- 2006 58 Sedan Bridge, Walker Bay Generation 390 RIB w/40hp Yamaha, 2014 Wellcraft 232 CC w/Yamaha
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Brass and copper would be no no's on raw water systems. Most likely bronze or stainless.
ANCHOR POSSIBILITIES??
In my spare time... over-winter work... I've begun revisiting the whole anchor thing.
Pictures today confirmed that what we have mounted now is a 20kg/44lb stainless Lewmar Delta plow anchor. That's even worse than I thought, since the Parts Manual suggests it would be a 60lb stainless plow. Anchor manufacturer recommendations and personal experience suggests the anchor is in no way suitable for our situation here on the Chesapeake Bay... which is made more complicated by occasional soupy, slimy, oozy mud. In my mind, even a 60lb version wouldn't be ideal here...
Also, the toe of our fluke bangs up against the hull -- actually against the small visible fiberglass space in between the rub rail and the stainless strike plate -- and that ain't great.
Anyway, I'm shopping again, in case somebody else in the meantime has come up with solutions that haven't already been mentioned (as above). Ideally, keeping our existing roller would be best, but...
-Chris
In my spare time... over-winter work... I've begun revisiting the whole anchor thing.
Pictures today confirmed that what we have mounted now is a 20kg/44lb stainless Lewmar Delta plow anchor. That's even worse than I thought, since the Parts Manual suggests it would be a 60lb stainless plow. Anchor manufacturer recommendations and personal experience suggests the anchor is in no way suitable for our situation here on the Chesapeake Bay... which is made more complicated by occasional soupy, slimy, oozy mud. In my mind, even a 60lb version wouldn't be ideal here...
Also, the toe of our fluke bangs up against the hull -- actually against the small visible fiberglass space in between the rub rail and the stainless strike plate -- and that ain't great.
Anyway, I'm shopping again, in case somebody else in the meantime has come up with solutions that haven't already been mentioned (as above). Ideally, keeping our existing roller would be best, but...
-Chris
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Morgan Jane
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I tend to agree with you but I'm not finding any Mueller Bronze or Stainless fittings like the ones in the pic. Maybe the powder coating protects it? Looks like I'll need to take it apart and see if I can tell on the inside.
Charlesoceanone
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- Dec 14, 2014
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- 2013 58 Sedan Bridge
2021 Walker Bay LTE 11
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Do you know where he found his wheels?
Sea Ray confirmed our original anchor was the galvanized version of Southcoast's 60-lb plow. (Apparently a Delta clone.) And Southcoast fabricated the davit/roller too.
So some PO along the wat replaced our original with a smaller and even less effective anchor. Stainless version, possibly for the bling effect. Dufus.
It's really a big advantage to have a boat made by a builder who's still in business, even if they no longer make our particular model!
-Chris
bmac
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Chris, MOST, but obviously not all, 58DB's were delivered with the optional 60 pound Stainless anchor. 60 pounds was standard, the stainless was optional. Southcoast indeed was the supplier to Sea Ray for both the galvanized and stainless anchors as well as the davit and they still sell replacements through Marine Max. IIRC, it took about 5 weeks to get mine delivered after some nitwit ran across the bow of my boat damaging both the anchor and davit beyond reasonable repair. The part number for the anchor is 4300-409.75 ($3890.25) and for the davit 4100.00-654.75 ($3445.25). Hefty price tag but they matched the boat and bolt holes perfectly. Not sure why others on here have anchors hitting their bows but I've never had that occur with the Southcoast anchor and davit combination. Expensive but it works (and holds under every condition I anchored in).
@bmac Thanks, Brian, that's useful update. Those part numbers don't match what Sea Ray sent to me yesterday, but I suspect that's a minor detail.
Knowing what our current anchor is, and knowing the size of what was originally there, is gradually moving my project along. The Delta shape isn't all the great for here on the Chesapeake... so I've begun researching alternative anchor models/sizes/weights that might hang equally well on the davit and at the same time work better here in our soft, sometimes slimy/oozy/soupy, mud. Discounting rollbar models for now -- simply 'cause they don't visually appeal to me -- Vulcan and SARCA Excel are at the top of my current analysis. And I also already know both big Fortress models and appropriately-sized SuperMAX anchors work well here (if the latter will fit).
Our davit is actually crunched a bit, I think. At least in pics, it looks like the jaws have been forced slightly closer to each other, and it looks like the leading wheel is pinched a bit. Ideally I can either ignore that (for now?), or at least maybe a local fabricator can spread the jaws out a bit more if it come to that. If the bail overhead needs to be reworked for a replacement anchor, that'd likely be a time to address the jaw width again...
Apparently our local Sea Ray dealer is now Clark's Landing, not Marine Max. Or at least when I asked Sea Ray a question about the cockpit seat skins they a) answered, and b) steered the inquiry to Clark's Landing... who then answered up, too. Coincidentally, one part of Clark's Landing, I assume their main service place here on the Chesapeake, is about 2 miles from our marina... so transit won't take long!
-Chris
Knowing what our current anchor is, and knowing the size of what was originally there, is gradually moving my project along. The Delta shape isn't all the great for here on the Chesapeake... so I've begun researching alternative anchor models/sizes/weights that might hang equally well on the davit and at the same time work better here in our soft, sometimes slimy/oozy/soupy, mud. Discounting rollbar models for now -- simply 'cause they don't visually appeal to me -- Vulcan and SARCA Excel are at the top of my current analysis. And I also already know both big Fortress models and appropriately-sized SuperMAX anchors work well here (if the latter will fit).
Our davit is actually crunched a bit, I think. At least in pics, it looks like the jaws have been forced slightly closer to each other, and it looks like the leading wheel is pinched a bit. Ideally I can either ignore that (for now?), or at least maybe a local fabricator can spread the jaws out a bit more if it come to that. If the bail overhead needs to be reworked for a replacement anchor, that'd likely be a time to address the jaw width again...
Apparently our local Sea Ray dealer is now Clark's Landing, not Marine Max. Or at least when I asked Sea Ray a question about the cockpit seat skins they a) answered, and b) steered the inquiry to Clark's Landing... who then answered up, too. Coincidentally, one part of Clark's Landing, I assume their main service place here on the Chesapeake, is about 2 miles from our marina... so transit won't take long!
-Chris
bmac
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Anytime, Chris. Those part numbers are likely the Southcoast p/n's not Sea Ray's (or MM's). They came directly off my invoice. I'm surprised the Delta design doesn't work in the Chesapeake, I didn't think it would be all that much different than the sandy bottom we have here on the South Shore of LI, but you would definitely know from experience.
swaterhouse
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Have you looked at the Ultra Marine?
https://www.ultramarine-anchors.com/
Its a hollow shank and weighted tip, it basically self right itself when it lands. At the boat shows the drop it down to the ground like you would from a windlass, in the 10+ times I watched it the landing was exactly how it should have.
This is on my list of we decide to upgrade. If we do I want to increase chain size as well, as I think we are bare minimum size for our boats. That also means the windlass needs to be replaced.
I have, Scott, and it's about 4th down on my list of likely best possibilities for our area. I'm not overly attracted to stainless anchors, and that one costs two arms and two legs, but mostly it's not necessarily best for our soupy mud... and stainless usually isn't as strong a galvanized steel.
So far I'm looking more closely at Excel, Vulcan, possibly SPADE, and then the ones I've had most/best experience around here with, SuperMAX and Fortress. If you haven't seen Steve Goodwin's (SV Panope) anchor tests on YouTube, you might have a look (and the Ultra tested reasonably well).
I'm also influenced by the Chesapeake mud tests Fortress conducted in 2014, just a bit down the road from us. Ultra came first behind Fortress and Danforth in those tests; SPADE and the rollbar Rocna and so forth didn't perform as well. Neither Vulcan nor Excel were included in those tests, possibly because they were both relatively new to the market at the time.
Our eventual choice will be a matter of what model/size/weight hangs well and is likely to work for us in our typical soft mud substrate.
If you go with the Ultra, it'd be great to know what size/weight will hand on our davit!
I haven't looked closely, but I haven't noticed our chain being too light...
-Chris
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@swaterhouse Revisiting this, Scott... If it will help you to know, I don't really have a choice about the basic decision whether to buy a new anchor or not. Our current 44-pound Delta is completely inadequate, I gotta get something better, so I'll be continuing to research options so I can certainly let you (and everyone else here) know whatever I learn.
Of course I'll be focused what works on our local soft mud, but most anchors that will work here also work almost everywhere else even better (with some exceptions, probably). I know already that the Delta shape is inadequate, here. Even if the original 60-lb Southcoast version. I already know a Fortress at 45° works well, and I've not really encountered the tidal resetting issue many mention about Danforth-style anchors. OTOH, a Fortress won't hang very gracefully on our davit. I already know a pivoting SuperMAX works well here (and I've never even yet had to use the mud setting), but I don't know if a MAX-20, the recommended size for our boat length/weight/shape will fit on the pulpit. I have a way to discover that, but it'll take a while since the MAX owner is vacationing in FL for the winter. I know a MAX won't usually jerk the boat to a stop like some other anchor sets have been described.
I'm not attracted to rollbar anchors, so I'd like to avoid those if possible, so...
In the meantime, my continuing research will probably focus on Vulcan, SARCA Excel, and possibly SPADE anchors... and most of the "research" is really about learning what will fit the existing davit. I'm starting with cardboard mock-ups for the Vulcan 40 and the Excel #8 -- both 88-lbs and both approximately the size (or one size up) the respective makers recommend for our boat length/weight/shape. Once I evaluate how (if) those mock-ups fit, I'll know whether I could upsize from there or not.
(Note this correctly suggests I've conceptually eliminated not just the Delta but also the CQR and claw (Bruce) designs. Former not great here; tests on the latter suggests varying results everywhere so I'd expect only varying results here, at best. Also not currently considering Mantus M2 (2-piece) or Manson Boss (unweighted tip) neither of which has tested outstandingly.)
My usually preference is to upsize in both weight and size as much as the davit/roller/windlass will permit... but I have no emotional attachment to this kind of decision. I reckon I'll go with the largest likely candidate (informed by various online tests and user recommendations and so forth), use it 'til it doesn't work, try Plan B if necessary. Which in turn means I'm not completely ruling out a rollbar, just not starting there. Ditto not ruling out two-piece construction (SPADE), just not starting there. Ditto not ruling out stainless (I'm not usually into bling), just not starting there.
While I'm yakking about it, and since you mentioned Ultra... you'll find three potential issues mentioned in reading. One is that stainless usually isn't as strong as galvanized steel. Another is that the connection hole is too small to accommodate the shackle bow. (And then there's a whole discussion about whether swivels are appropriate, safe, should be necessary, etc.). The third is the cost. OTOH, the Ultra anchors do seem to perform well enough, better than many. Could well be a likely candidate, if chosen with eyes wide open.
-Chris
Of course I'll be focused what works on our local soft mud, but most anchors that will work here also work almost everywhere else even better (with some exceptions, probably). I know already that the Delta shape is inadequate, here. Even if the original 60-lb Southcoast version. I already know a Fortress at 45° works well, and I've not really encountered the tidal resetting issue many mention about Danforth-style anchors. OTOH, a Fortress won't hang very gracefully on our davit. I already know a pivoting SuperMAX works well here (and I've never even yet had to use the mud setting), but I don't know if a MAX-20, the recommended size for our boat length/weight/shape will fit on the pulpit. I have a way to discover that, but it'll take a while since the MAX owner is vacationing in FL for the winter. I know a MAX won't usually jerk the boat to a stop like some other anchor sets have been described.
I'm not attracted to rollbar anchors, so I'd like to avoid those if possible, so...
In the meantime, my continuing research will probably focus on Vulcan, SARCA Excel, and possibly SPADE anchors... and most of the "research" is really about learning what will fit the existing davit. I'm starting with cardboard mock-ups for the Vulcan 40 and the Excel #8 -- both 88-lbs and both approximately the size (or one size up) the respective makers recommend for our boat length/weight/shape. Once I evaluate how (if) those mock-ups fit, I'll know whether I could upsize from there or not.
(Note this correctly suggests I've conceptually eliminated not just the Delta but also the CQR and claw (Bruce) designs. Former not great here; tests on the latter suggests varying results everywhere so I'd expect only varying results here, at best. Also not currently considering Mantus M2 (2-piece) or Manson Boss (unweighted tip) neither of which has tested outstandingly.)
My usually preference is to upsize in both weight and size as much as the davit/roller/windlass will permit... but I have no emotional attachment to this kind of decision. I reckon I'll go with the largest likely candidate (informed by various online tests and user recommendations and so forth), use it 'til it doesn't work, try Plan B if necessary. Which in turn means I'm not completely ruling out a rollbar, just not starting there. Ditto not ruling out two-piece construction (SPADE), just not starting there. Ditto not ruling out stainless (I'm not usually into bling), just not starting there.
While I'm yakking about it, and since you mentioned Ultra... you'll find three potential issues mentioned in reading. One is that stainless usually isn't as strong as galvanized steel. Another is that the connection hole is too small to accommodate the shackle bow. (And then there's a whole discussion about whether swivels are appropriate, safe, should be necessary, etc.). The third is the cost. OTOH, the Ultra anchors do seem to perform well enough, better than many. Could well be a likely candidate, if chosen with eyes wide open.
-Chris
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swaterhouse
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Let us know what you find. This is now a low priority for me, my winter season budget has already been blown! I only looked briefly because we had issues with our windlass being super slow. When getting parts estimates it was determined that if the motor was shot it was going to be close to 70% of the costs of a new one so I started doing a bit of research. I wanted to upsize at that point if any anchors I was considering would be close to the limits. I didn't get very far in that research before I realized the issue was a 24V motor was being fed by 12V. I guess the original owner liked slow windlasses as it was done on purpose.
Scott
I could imagine that as a makeshift solution to reduce the violence of crashing a heavy anchor back onto the davit at full speed.
Just a guess...
-Chris
swaterhouse
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Well I found the flux gate compass. It's in the forward portion of the bridge seat. Not sure why it was moved there.
Still on the hunt for a path to where it should go.
