Carver 406 vs SR 420 AC, convince me

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  1. SkiPharmer

    SkiPharmer Active Member

    198
    Jul 27, 2014
    St. Croix River, MN
    "Apres Ski" is a 1995 Sea Ray Sundancer 330, Twin 454 MerCruiser V-Drives
    Twin 7.4 Liter Mercruisers V-drives
    Starting to look at our next boat (who isn’t) and a buddy of mine is selling a gorgeous 2000 Carver 406 (gas engines) for around $100k. I’ve been on the boat and it seems to be way more boat compared to similar year 420 Aft Cabins. I know the whole gas vs diesel and prefer gas for where we boat. ACs this year are $30k-$80k more....why? The Carver has a better layout...discuss..
     
  2. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2007
    Cedar Point, OH / Miami, FL / MacRay Harbor, MI
    1997 400DA
    340HP 7.4 Mercruiser Bluewaters
    Garmin 741, 742, 8212, 24HD, Intellian I2
    1999 280BR
    Twin 250HP Merc 350 Alpha Ones
    The Carver was a less expensive boat to begin with. They use less expensive materials and components and install them with a lower level of fit and finish.

    Having said that, 20 years later I bet it surveys as well or better than the Sea Ray.

    As far as layout? I don't know of a builder that can squeeze more interior room out of a hull! They also tend to get away with less power, but they know it. I don't think the phrase "overpowered Carver" has ever been uttered.
     
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  3. SkiPharmer

    SkiPharmer Active Member

    198
    Jul 27, 2014
    St. Croix River, MN
    "Apres Ski" is a 1995 Sea Ray Sundancer 330, Twin 454 MerCruiser V-Drives
    Twin 7.4 Liter Mercruisers V-drives
    After 20 years if everything is still good and it surveys well and it has a great lay out then wouldn’t it be be better deal and the SR would be over priced?
     
  4. PlayDate

    PlayDate Well-Known Member

    Dec 25, 2006
    Washington DC
    1994 370 Express Cruiser
    454 Mercruisers
    It’s your money I’m not sure the “convince me” is a good buying strategy. In the end you are buying a less expensive boat that will sell for less than you paid for it 5 years from now.

    How much is anyone’s guess but odds are a Sea Ray will decline less just because it is a better and stronger brand.
     
  5. becnme

    becnme Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    146
    Oct 31, 2008
    Fort Myers
    07 44 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC 500
    Where you boat, pick the Carver. We owned 5 Carver aft cabins on the Illinois river and lake Michigan before moving to Florida and they were the perfect boats for that type of boating. I think in many ways they were better built than the Searays just not as glitzy and not as fast. Even in 2000 I think the stringer system is all glass and the hull has no wood below the water line. The last Carver we had was a 396 aft cabin with diesels and cruised at 25 mph.
     
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  6. SkiPharmer

    SkiPharmer Active Member

    198
    Jul 27, 2014
    St. Croix River, MN
    "Apres Ski" is a 1995 Sea Ray Sundancer 330, Twin 454 MerCruiser V-Drives
    Twin 7.4 Liter Mercruisers V-drives
    We are on the St. Croix River in MN.
     
  7. Nepenthe

    Nepenthe Member

    107
    Aug 29, 2011
    Fontana on Geneva Lake, Wisconsin
    400 Sedan Bridge
    7.4L Mercruiser
    At one time I had the predecessor to the 406 (3807). I agree with everyone else regarding the fit and finish vs. a Sea Ray, but it was a great boat. It handled extremely well with gas engines and you could fit everyone on the pier on board for a cocktail. I still miss sleeping in the aft cabin. If you know and like the boat, go for it.
     
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  8. JustRight

    JustRight Member SILVER Sponsor

    78
    Aug 4, 2013
    Seneca Lake, NY
    2005 Sea Ray 340 Sundancer
    1996 Renken 190 open bow
    Twin 8.1 MPI inboards
    The Carver 406 (aft cabin motor yacht) is a beautiful boat. A friend told me that it seemed like Carver built a wonderful hotel room and then surrounded it with a boat. I agree with that assessment.

    For me a huge drawback to the design of the boat is the unusually narrow doorways into the aft deck on the port and starboard sides. It seems to me the doorways are like about 10” wide...the doorways are very difficult to navigate.
     
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  9. SkiPharmer

    SkiPharmer Active Member

    198
    Jul 27, 2014
    St. Croix River, MN
    "Apres Ski" is a 1995 Sea Ray Sundancer 330, Twin 454 MerCruiser V-Drives
    Twin 7.4 Liter Mercruisers V-drives
    I will admit the lines are much better on the Sea Ray, but the 406 isn't horrible compared to some other Silvertons I've seen.
     
  10. markhpc

    markhpc Member

    42
    Apr 9, 2019
    St. Croix River, MN
    2003 Cruisers Yachts 3970 Express
    Twin Mercruiser 8.1S HO Inboards
    Out of curiosity were there any specific things regarding fit and finish that stood out? We spent the better part of the last 2 years looking at mid 90s to early 2000s boats before we settled on our 3970 and one of the things that kept coming up with many of the Sea Rays is vitracore delamination on various interior cabinets. Some were definitely worse than others but I can only recall 1 that didn't appear to have any issues. One of the things I liked about cruisers yachts and carvers was the continued use of real wood (even if it's mostly just veneered plywood).

    Having said that, on our CY I've noticed that we've got a couple of faucets that will need repair/replacement, the windshield is powder coated aluminum instead of stainless (not a big deal inland though), and I've got a number of broken fasteners for things like air-conditioning access. Also the transom and salon access doors are basically just sheet plexiglass which feels a little cheap. Sea Ray probably has some advantages there, though it seems to me like a bit of a mixed bag.

    Certainly the fiberglass stringer grid on the carvers is a huge selling point if you are looking at anything older than ~2005 when Sea Ray introduced their version on the bigger boats.
     
  11. majoma

    majoma Member

    284
    Oct 10, 2008
    San Francisco
    2000 340, V drive
    Twin 7.4
    I cruised extensively on a Carver 57 including a trip from San Francisco to La Paz Mexico. The boat handled the ocean very well with no problems at all.
    See video:
     
  12. Nepenthe

    Nepenthe Member

    107
    Aug 29, 2011
    Fontana on Geneva Lake, Wisconsin
    400 Sedan Bridge
    7.4L Mercruiser
    To be fair, my Sea Ray is more than a decade newer than the Carver was, so I guess it is not a true apples-to-apples comparison. Part of my statement may be mistaking "newer" for "better". There were a few little things, such as the A/C units draining condensation to the bilge rather than a sump that stand out in my mind, but nothing major. I have no complaints about the Carver whatsoever - it was a great boat.
     

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