Death statistics, how about some meaningful numbers?

Third Edition said:
It is giving back to them money they paid in through taxes, etc. It is their money. Our money. The financial services bailout was through our money, too.
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I agree with everything you stated except these last lines. If they were giving back "our" money, then we wouldn't need to fire up the printing presses.
 
JVM225 said:
It’s not outside the realm of possibility that 45 to 60 million Americans have already had Covid-19.
From what they’re saying, many infected people have minor symptoms, or no symptoms at all.
They won’t begin to know, or reliably estimate, how many people have had it until they have a proven test for antibodies and it’s made widely available.
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There is a study underway here in CA that is doing Anti Body testing statewide to see where the Covid-19 has been. Early indications are that this was here in the fall and early winter and many people had the Covid-19 but did not know it. They just had a bad flu as far as they knew. They then built immunity to it. Its one theory as to why Ca with the highest population in the country has relatively few acute cases. We will stay tuned. Also studies are showing that the highest risk of spreading is from close person to person contact in confined areas and not from picking it up from surfaces such as door knobs
or shopping carts. If this continues to ring true one would think that simply maintaining physical distance and use of face masks by those who are experiencing symptoms would be plenty of prevention.
Lets get the country back to work! A good friend that I ran into on the dock the other day said he just laid of 350 workers building a six story apartment complex. Not one of his guys has symptoms nor knew anyone with symptoms. They got busted because some hand wringing libretard complained to the health department.
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mratlndmrk said:
Exactly! You can't project the death rate based on confirmed cases as only the very sick are being tested. Most estimates put a factor of at least 10 on actual exposures vs reported cases.
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I would disagree with you. With over 2 million people tested and over 400,000 cases the numbers are far more accurate than flu projected deaths. On March 29 there were 139745 confirmed cases and 2448 death that's a 1.7518 death rate. Jump forward to April 8th 435128 confirmed cases with 14795 confirmed deaths that a death rate of 3.4001. You would have expected the death rate to drop as more people have been tested but that is not the case.
 
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Iprof said:
I would disagree with you. With over 2 million people tested and over 400,000 cases the numbers are far more accurate than flu projected deaths. On March 29 there were 139745 confirmed cases and 2448 death that's a 1.7518 death rate. Jump forward to April 8th 435128 confirmed cases with 14795 confirmed deaths that a death rate of 3.4001. You would have expected the death rate to drop as more people have been tested but that is not the case.
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I question how much importance we put on a death rate calculated that way. It's probably safe to say the number of deaths is accurate enough. It's the denominator that should be questioned. It's source is 'confirmed cases'...confirmed by tests.

Look at the testing data...take New York for an example. 17% of total tests are done there, 41% are positive(confirmed cases). All testing is not equal...NY tests 20,000/M, some states only 4,000/M. It's pretty obvious that heavier testing done in the worst hit areas can distort the national picture. An accurate death rate will only come with properly weighted inputs.

We have to be careful how we play with the numbers or we could scare our selfs.
 
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Woody said:
I question how much importance we put on a death rate calculated that way. It's probably safe to say the number of deaths is accurate enough. It's the denominator that should be questioned. It's source is 'confirmed cases'...confirmed by tests.

Look at the testing data...take New York for an example. 17% of total tests are done there, 41% are positive(confirmed cases). All testing is not equal...NY tests 20,000/M, some states only 4,000/M. It's pretty obvious that heavier testing done in the worst hit areas can distort the national picture. An accurate death rate will only come with properly weighted inputs.

We have to be careful how we play with the numbers or we could scare our selfs.
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That fatality rate is just simple metric with limited usage. As of now it's "accurate" as to the general testing they are doing now, where only the sickest are being tested. When testing is opened up, today's number won't tell you chit.
 
What would the death rate be if we calculated off of all flus given we don’t know they didn’t have corona?
 
Once again just my thoughts on death rate. No one even knows how many people has had it or how many people has it. Secondly the mortality rate is flawed due to underlying conditions.
So I still think the death rate they report
Is higher than actual C-19 specific deaths.
 
If this virus fizzles....and the health impact is minimal in comparison to seasonal flu or other common illnesses there will be a very interesting dialogue in our country. :cool:
 
Isn't this great? Another popular thread where the same peeps talk about the virus!

Can't we start a portable generator thread or something?!?!?
 
El Capitan said:
If this virus fizzles....and the health impact is minimal in comparison to seasonal flu or other common illnesses there will be a very interesting dialogue in our country. :cool:
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The trouble is your caught between a rock and a hard place. If you do nothing and millions die you screwed your re-election chance. So you take the best advice you can and figure out what has the least impact on human life and the economy. The models are changing daily there is no exact science to this. When to open the country is anyones guess right now but I bet as long as we are seeing 30,000 new cases a day and 1,900 deaths daily it won't be anytime soon.
 
Iprof said:
The trouble is your caught between a rock and a hard place. If you do nothing and millions die you screwed your re-election chance. So you take the best advice you can and figure out what has the least impact on human life and the economy. The models are changing daily there is no exact science to this. When to open the country is anyones guess right now but I bet as long as we are seeing 30,000 new cases a day and 1,900 deaths daily it won't be anytime soon.
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If Trump opens economy too soon, we fail!!! The VIRUS says when we reopen!!!!
 
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