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Difference between Raymarine ST8002 - e12119 and e12183??

Discussion in 'Electronics Q&A' started by Atalla, Dec 4, 2020.

  1. Atalla

    Atalla Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    Does anybody know what the different between these two versions of the ST8002 are?

    I presume the 12183 is a newer version but does anybody know what changed?
     
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  2. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails

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    What are the 2 versions? 8002 vs 8002+?
     
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    Interesting question, but my guess is they are the same with no real difference and just support newer course computers (of that era) S1, S2, S3 etc. The legacy forum doesn't have much info on that exactly, but here is a compatibility link: https://forum.raymarine.com/showthread.php?tid=3968

    Interesting that the latest control heads p70s(r) will work with the older course computers.
     
  4. Atalla

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    Yeah...except that all of them seem to support all the course computers, so still not clear what they changed in each iteration.

    That compatibility link is helpful. There is some question as to what "compatible" means. There are a lot of features packed into the new p70s.
     
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    Thats the thing, all heads support all course computers in some fashion, but not all of the features in the head unit are compatible with the older CC's. Just like there SeaTalk and SeaTalkNG converter, doesn't convert 100% when it comes to autopilots. It seems only there newest AP's work the way they should and will integrate completely with all features/functions fully supported, at least according to there tech support.
     
  6. Atalla

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    Yeah, not to mention that I'm not totally sure there is tremendous value in the multitude of features these things deliver now. Auto and Track are about all I need to work. Notably, the heads themselves are becoming less relevant since the course computers integrate with the MFDs. If I upgrade to an Evolution AP, I doubt I'll get a p70 or its equivalent in the future since I already have an Axiom+. Don't know what the extra screen will get me. I'd be more likely to cut the ST8002 hole a bit bigger and drop a 7" Axiom in. Far more flexibility and direct control over the Evolution course computer.
     
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    dtfeld Water Contrails

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    The only thing I can get the Axiom to do that the p70Rs does is when I'm in heading hold, I can reach up and spin the knob a few degrees. Its a nice feature. I do use it to display some additional data boxes, but I'm with you, I'm looking at dropping a 9" Axiom+ into the center of my dash and moving the switches outboard (one of the 380's did this looks awsome).

    I cant find any documentation, but I think I can add an RMK-10 and if the rotary knob acts in the same fashion as the rotary knob on the p70Rs, I'm selling the p70Rs and getting the 9" Axiom+ and adding the RMK-10.
     
  8. Atalla

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    Truthfully, I do this with the ST8002 for sure, so that's a good point. Would be cool to just have a remote control for that, though. Good thought. I'm not sure I'm going to bother with this at all in the near term.

    Of course, I say that now... :)
     
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  9. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails

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    Thats what I said...

    I posted a question on the RMK-10 to Raymarine Tech Help...I'll report back.
     
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    And that is where I am now. If you call Raymarine tech support and ask for Mark Goodman, he is the lead tech and really knows his stuff, also his boss Brian. Great guys and more then willing to help, unlike most tech support people.

    I could not agree more that an autopilot needs to do a few things, steer the boat straight, display a heading and react to routing commands. Past that it's just not needed, unless I forgot something. So how many features can you use, especially when Raymarine is still playing catch up on communications and routing.

    I tried adding an Aviom 9 where my old stereo head unit was for the same exact reason, but the Garmin 7608 was a better choice for me for many reasons, digital switching among the deciding factor. So I returned it and the end result was the p70r with the rotary knob and a 7608.

    Outside of the break waters I never use the wheel, ever. I steer the boat solely from the rotary knob. My boat came with a wireless S100 remote as well and I use that from time to time, but could not give up the rotary knob.

    I went with the 7608 because I have Garmin MFD's and Fusion stereo, but also because it has somewhat configurable NMEA2000 screens and fully supports digital switching that the end user can configure without any other files etc. not to mention it supports most of what the DSM410 does in what it can display in its pre-configured display options. I use it for everything but charting and radar. Sorry for rambling on ...
     
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  11. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails

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    Finally heard from Raymarine concerning the rotary knob.

    From Raymarine Tech...

    Apologies for the delay, I have referred to one of my colleagues, but the Rotary controller on the RMK10 will not control the autopilot heading in the same way that the rotary knob on the p70rs will.


    Darn, Now I'll have to make space for the control head. I think I have room.
     
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