Fogging in the wood

Discussion in 'Fiberglass/Wood/Gelcoat Repair' started by Jus the two of us, Feb 13, 2020 at 6:40 AM.

  1. Jus the two of us

    Jus the two of us Member GOLD Sponsor

    113
    Dec 7, 2015
    United States Lake Cumberland
    1998 Sundancer 450
    3116 Cats
    Most of the boats in the 08 09 years with the dark cherry wood we have been looking at have the hazing, fogging in the finish. Anyone had any experience in stripping and refinishing the affected parts, Does it keep getting worse. A lot of the boats we have looked at are nice boats other than that but I would have to fix or it would drive my CRAZY!!
     
  2. Stee6043

    Stee6043 Well-Known Member

    Jun 1, 2015
    West Michigan
    1997 Sundancer 400
    7.4L Gassers
    Are you confident the "fogging" is in the finish and not a covering that's starting to delaminate from the wood? In the 90's it was pretty common for a plastic sheet covering to start separating from the wood below. It did create a foggy like appearance...
     
  3. Jus the two of us

    Jus the two of us Member GOLD Sponsor

    113
    Dec 7, 2015
    United States Lake Cumberland
    1998 Sundancer 450
    3116 Cats
    My understanding from our sea ray dealer/broker is the wood still had moister in it when the polyurethane or what ever clear coating Sea ray used was applied.
     
  4. Henry Boyd

    Henry Boyd Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 24, 2007
    Newburyport, on the peaceful and serene Merrimack
    ‘09 Sabre 38 Hardtop Express “Serenity”
    Volvo D6 w/IPS450 Pods
    I’ve always been under the impression that Sea Ray’s “wood” interiors were largely engineered products, plywood with a veneer of plastic laminate. Any fogging would be a failure within the laminate. Fogging is a common failure of plastic laminate.

    Regardless, fogging does not happen on actual wood, like cherry, or walnut. Likewise on veneers made from wood.

    As for comments that fogging is caused by moisture in wood prior to coating - pure hogwash (my diplomatic response). Basically, a statement made by someone who is simply guessing, or trying to not be the bearer of bad news. The failure mode for polyurethane applied over damp wood is peeling and bubbling.

     
  5. All's Well

    All's Well Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    716
    Jan 14, 2010
    Houston
    '12 58 Sundancer
    900 MAN
    If you're talking about the actual wood doors and not the laminate over lay - From discussions I have had, the finish has to be removed and then re cleared. I was told to expect around $1k per door. I'm living with it as I have also never seen one that has been "repaired" so I'm not willing to bet that it will actually work.
     
  6. Jus the two of us

    Jus the two of us Member GOLD Sponsor

    113
    Dec 7, 2015
    United States Lake Cumberland
    1998 Sundancer 450
    3116 Cats
    Thats about the number I was thinking on the cost. Thats really sad for a person to spend that kind of money for a boat and that happen to the wood. Sure does hurt the resale value.
     
  7. spikedaddy99

    spikedaddy99 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 11, 2008
    Prentice, Wi
    2005 500 DB
    QSM-11
    My salon and dinette table have this issue. I haven't dived (or is it dove) into a fix yet.
     
  8. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    What about just getting them vinyl wrapped? I've seen a number of various things done with that 3M DiNoc stuff and it's really nice. Would give you a chance to change the color/look, as well, if you wanted to. There was even a recent post on here about someone with an older 270 or 290 (I think) that did that - and they posted pictures.
     
  9. Jus the two of us

    Jus the two of us Member GOLD Sponsor

    113
    Dec 7, 2015
    United States Lake Cumberland
    1998 Sundancer 450
    3116 Cats
    Restoration Marine has the product to fix. Its just taking the boat apart to strip the parts and redo.
     
  10. ocgrant

    ocgrant Active Member

    137
    Dec 31, 2006
    Miami / Ft Lauderdale
    H2O Therapy
    2006 Sundancer 48
    Cummins QSC
    My salon table is showing signs of this happening. To me is is a finish issue. I am going to start with sanding with 1000 grit take off some material and then 2500 and polish to see where I get. It is just like color sanding and buffing a car. If that fails I will sand it down to wood and re-clear it.
     
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  11. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    Cleaning the laminate with products that contain ammonia or chlorine will make the plastic hazy like they will do to vinyl windows. Windex for example is a no no.....
     
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  12. Crjeff

    Crjeff New Member

    16
    Aug 4, 2016
    Chesapeake Bay
    2001 Sea Ray 380 DA
    Mercruiser 454 MAG MPI Gas Engines
    I think this is what you are writing about. I have only this one spot on my boat. It appears to be where the wrong cleaner was used and is adjacent to the power panel access so it is always in my face. Is there any hope of repair?
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