Great News! CDC Says Covid On Verge Of Non-epdimic Status!

Yes. It’s worth it. Many more people have died for years of other things and no closures, no masks , nothing ever done.
What makes this any different?
 
The biggest plague in recent history and we are fumbling over masks and how long bars can stay open?

Why aren’t we punishing the creator of this disaster?
Probally the same reason the country that started the Swine Flu was not punished. Neither was created on purpose.
 
Yes. It’s worth it. Many more people have died for years of other things and no closures, no masks , nothing ever done.
What makes this any different?
Your not making sense again.
 
Neither was created on purpose.
I really hope you're not serious.

I am watching Meet The Press right now... These freakn experts are telling us to wear masks and rapid testing are the answers... Oh and keep the schools closed. Insanity is saying the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome
 
I really hope you're not serious.

I am watching Meet The Press right now... These freakn experts are telling us to wear masks and rapid testing are the answers... Oh and keep the schools closed. Insanity is saying the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome
Why would you waste your time with that clown show.
 
Your not making sense again.

Really? Your post doesn’t make sense. We could set the speed limit at 5 mph for all moving vehicles and save an enormous amount of lives. Not to mention carnage.

There are so many things that we could set arbitrary limits on that would save lives, but we have come to accept, for the efficiency of all, some people will lose their life.

And ultimately, that is my main point in this topic, those scared of the virus and those profiting, are putting unreasonable arbitrary limits on the people...
 
This coronavirus is not a naturally evolved virus. This is a man-made virus. I read recently that for it to mutate from eating tainted bat meat to a respiratory disease would take 800+ years.

https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/why-us-outsourced-bat-virus-research-to-wuhan/
From your article:
"Moreover, could some strains of the coronavirus have originated in US labs, given the fact the US government lifted the ban in December 2017 on GOF research without resolving lab-safety issues?" Bottom line seems to be that the current administration decided the dangerous research banned by the previous administration was actually OK?
 
From your article:
"Moreover, could some strains of the coronavirus have originated in US labs, given the fact the US government lifted the ban in December 2017 on GOF research without resolving lab-safety issues?" Bottom line seems to be that the current administration decided the dangerous research banned by the previous administration was actually OK?

and the people screwing around with this stuff no matter where they came from should be heavily penalized. They have unleashed to hell on the population that they should pay for.
 
and the people screwing around with this stuff no matter where they came from should be heavily penalized. They have unleashed to hell on the population that they should pay for.
There is still no evidence that it came from a lab but 3 countries have come to the same conclusion it occurred naturally. Britain France and Switzerland.
 
Really? Your post doesn’t make sense. We could set the speed limit at 5 mph for all moving vehicles and save an enormous amount of lives. Not to mention carnage.

There are so many things that we could set arbitrary limits on that would save lives, but we have come to accept, for the efficiency of all, some people will lose their life.

And ultimately, that is my main point in this topic, those scared of the virus and those profiting, are putting unreasonable arbitrary limits on the people...
You think el captains post made sense?
 
You think el captains post made sense?


Yes! I agree with this.

“Yes. It’s worth it. Many more people have died for years of other things and no closures, no masks , nothing ever done.
What makes this any different?“

So what is it? Just what is different that this is not handled exactly the same way all other human risks are?
 
Yes! I agree with this.

“Yes. It’s worth it. Many more people have died for years of other things and no closures, no masks , nothing ever done.
What makes this any different?“

So what is it? Just what is different that this is not handled exactly the same way all other human risks are?
Mask were worn during the Spanish Flu Epidemic. 1919 was the lowest death rate and for the next 3 years things got worse. Maybe history has taught us something. If wearing a mask in public where you can't social distance doesn't work or make a difference what have you lost nothing but if it does protect you from getting Covid it is worth it. I look at it this way how many stores have you seen No Shirt No Shoes No Service adding masks to that is no big deal. The Asian countries have been wearing masks for decades.
 
Yes! I agree with this.

“Yes. It’s worth it. Many more people have died for years of other things and no closures, no masks , nothing ever done.
What makes this any different?“

So what is it? Just what is different that this is not handled exactly the same way all other human risks are?

crickets.
 
Yes! I agree with this.

“Yes. It’s worth it. Many more people have died for years of other things and no closures, no masks , nothing ever done.
What makes this any different?“

So what is it? Just what is different that this is not handled exactly the same way all other human risks are?

Reply???
 
It's comforting to embrace the fantasy that covid is somehow the same as the other routine pathogens that circulate and don't get much notice. The reality is that it is orders of magnitude more deadly. The extent of disability caused in those who survive is only now becoming clearer and is ought to be alarming.

The fact that virtually every nation on earth is mounting a response ought to be enough evidence to conclude that this is something different. And, whether or not a government mounts an effective response, the initial economic harm has been just about the same everywhere as evidenced by consistent deltas of domestic product across the globe as people take shelter whether they are told to or not. The countries with the more effective response in terms of controlling the virus have benefited recently with higher levels of recovery. It remains to be seen which approach will work better in the long run; I would personally bet on the approach that results in the lowest deaths.

As the President has stated, allowing the virus to run unabated will lead to several million excess deaths. We also now know that several more millions of citizens will suffer from long-term disability. Taking the position that "well, we can't do anything about it and everyone is going to get it so let's don't do anything" is the kind of defeatism the US has not been known for.

Yes, there is economic disruption but there's been that before as well. If some people check out over that it will have been by their own hands, but as a society there are policies that ought to be able to forestall that. Economic problems are fixable, death is not.
 
It's comforting to embrace the fantasy that covid is somehow the same as the other routine pathogens that circulate and don't get much notice. The reality is that it is orders of magnitude more deadly. The extent of disability caused in those who survive is only now becoming clearer and is ought to be alarming.
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The fact that virtually every nation on earth is mounting a response ought to be enough evidence to conclude that this is something different.

Yes your last statement (bolded by me) is the key issue. Something is different, but not in the deadliness of Covid-19 versus past flu outbreaks. We have yet to reach the fatalities (adjusted for population growth) of the Hong Kong flu of '68-'69. Though we're getting close. The flu outbreak of the late 50's was worse thank Hong Kong flu. I think it's unlikely we'll equal the fatalities from that outbreak (again adjusted for population growth).

What is different is the global mentality. It seems much more 'feelings-based' and very little 'evidence-based' or 'science-based'. This does not bode well.
 
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crickets.

I will bite. CoronaVirus, YTD is the 4th most deadly ailment in the US. Heart attack, stroke, accidents, cancer, diabetes, alzheimers, chronic respiratory disease and Covid. When the year is done, it's very likely the Covid will be the #1 reason, as it will surpass all the others.

So, what's different? Of the top 8 things that kill us, Covid is the only one that's contagious.

If that's not enough for you to look at Covid differently, consider all of the other damage a virus does to the body, and realize we don't have any idea what the long term effect of Covid will be.

Here are examples of other viruses that we have years of experience with:

Chickenpox is a virus. Lots of people have had it, and probably don't think about it much once the initial illness has passed. But it stays in your body and lives there forever, and maybe when you're older, you have debilitatingly painful outbreaks of shingles.

Herpes is also a virus. And once someone has it, it stays in your body and lives there forever, and anytime they get a little run down or stressed-out they're going to have an outbreak. Maybe every time you have a big event coming up (school pictures, job interview, big date) you're going to get a cold sore. For the rest of your life. You don't just get over it in a few weeks.

HIV is a virus. It attacks the immune system and makes the carrier far more vulnerable to other illnesses. It has a list of symptoms and negative health impacts that goes on and on. It was decades before viable treatments were developed that allowed people to live with a reasonable quality of life. Once you have it, it lives in your body forever and there is no cure. Over time, that takes a toll on the body, putting people living with HIV at greater risk for health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, bone disease, liver disease, cognitive disorders, and some types of cancer. We know this because it has been around for years, and had been studied medically for years.

Now with COVID-19, we have a novel virus that spreads rapidly and easily. The full spectrum of symptoms and health effects is only just beginning to be cataloged, much less understood.

The list of symptoms is extraordinary.

People testing positive for COVID-19 have been documented to be sick even after 60 days. Many people are sick for weeks, get better, and then experience a rapid and sudden flare up and get sick all over again. A man in Seattle was hospitalized for 62 days, and while well enough to be released, still has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Not to mention a $1.1 million medical bill.

Then there is MIS-C. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. Children with MIS-C may have a fever and various symptoms, including abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes, or feeling extra tired. While rare, it has caused deaths.

What we are now learning is that even if asymptomatic, there is the potential for long term heart damage, lung damage and even brain damage - none of which have a known long term impact.

This disease has not been around for years. It has basically been 6 months. No one knows yet all of the long-term health effects, or how it may present itself years down the road for people who have been exposed. We literally *do not know* what we do not know.

That's what's different.
 

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