Gun Rights

susanandlance said:
That's not what you all said when Obama was president...….He's gonna take your guns!!!! It's all we heard for 8 years!! I own more guns now then when Obama was president.....
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I think Obama had stock in all the gun and bullet manufacturers... when ever the topic came up gun stores were sold out the next day...
 
boatman37 said:
PA could benefit from a state level electoral college. The majority of the state geographically is Republican but Pittsburgh and Philadelphia hold close to 50% of the states population and are majority Democrat so we keep getting Democrats elected.
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Indiana is getting dangerously close to the same situation Boatman. There are thousands from democratic Chicago moving into Indianapolis to escape Chicago's violence and depravity. In reality, they are just bringing it with them. It is starting to tilt the scale of voting population toward leftist votes. That was quite unheard of here and didn't fully understand how it was happening until I started working in Indianapolis and listened to what some of the left leaning folks I work with were saying.

Hopefully we will get ahead of the gun rights issues here in Indiana. Virginia has taught a lot of us who were quietly watching from the outside and voting that it is time to get involved. Voting is not enough anymore. We are going to have to be involved in communication to our elected officials as to why we vote for them. It is a small step. But, all except two counties have already got committees for 2nd amendment sanctuary status. A handful have made progress through their local governments. Hopefully, we will never get to Virginia's situation.
 
susanandlance said:
That's not what you all said when Obama was president...….He's gonna take your guns!!!! It's all we heard for 8 years!! I own more guns now then when Obama was president.....
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And for eight years he tried to, only to find out that he couldn't get enough votes to pass his crap off as good meds. NOW our idiot is taking Obama's wishes to a whole new level. Remember now that he and Obama were getting pretty chummy until the "Black Face" photo came out.

So you see, it just the same stupid **** just during a different election year.
 
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Kwik said:
Indiana is getting dangerously close to the same situation Boatman. There are thousands from democratic Chicago moving into Indianapolis to escape Chicago's violence and depravity. In reality, they are just bringing it with them. It is starting to tilt the scale of voting population toward leftist votes. That was quite unheard of here and didn't fully understand how it was happening until I started working in Indianapolis and listened to what some of the left leaning folks I work with were saying.

Hopefully we will get ahead of the gun rights issues here in Indiana. Virginia has taught a lot of us who were quietly watching from the outside and voting that it is time to get involved. Voting is not enough anymore. We are going to have to be involved in communication to our elected officials as to why we vote for them. It is a small step. But, all except two counties have already got committees for 2nd amendment sanctuary status. A handful have made progress through their local governments. Hopefully, we will never get to Virginia's situation.
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Two or three decades ago, Hamilton Country, Indiana was the most republican county in the United States. Sadly, we have lost that distinction.

My idiot mayor(Carmel) whom I refuse to say his name, was the
only Indiana Republican mayor to sign letter seeking tighter gun laws.

He did not ask us what we thought.
 
susanandlance said:
Any proof of that?? I'd like to see it.....
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Oof. I dont have proof. But, I can say with personal knowledge that guns flew off the shelf when Obama won election. I had been eyeing a certain shotgun for a couple years. I waited too long and almost didnt even find one after he was elected. Also couldnt find .22lr or 9mm for months. Not trying to fuel a fire. But, that was real.
 
MrHappy said:
Two or three decades ago, Hamilton Country, Indiana was the most republican county in the United States. Sadly, we have lost that distinction.

My idiot mayor(Carmel) whom I refuse to say his name, was the
only Hoosier/Indiana Republican mayor to sign letter seeking tighter gun laws.

He did not ask us what we thought.
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I watched that happen from over here in Hendicks county. Blew my mind how quickly Carmel flopped!
 
Kwik said:
Oof. I dont have proof. But, I can say with personal knowledge that guns flew off the shelf when Obama won election. I had been eyeing a certain shotgun for a couple years. I waited too long and almost didnt even find one after he was elected. Also couldnt find .22lr or 9mm for months. Not trying to fuel a fire. But, that was real.
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and .223 was through the roof
 
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MrHappy said:
Two or three decades ago, Hamilton Country, Indiana was the most republican county in the United States. Sadly, we have lost that distinction.
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I am still living in Hamilton county... and made four little republicans ... 3 are still in the county doing their thing... the fourth went out to Colorado to fix them.
It’s true Dems had 3 upsets last November...and as these younger educated group moves in the area, brainwashed by their colleges it is having an effect. The primaries this coming Nov is a different story so it will be interesting to see what happens... I have a feeling Republicans will be back
 
OllieC said:
Curious as to why Norway has 0 homicide rates? They are one of the leaders in mass shootings % per population. Where did you get those stats?

Also, the millions of lives destroyed by Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin were INDEED disarmed. I’ve never heard of a “Great Jewish Revolt” against Hitler. If you were Jewish in Hitlers Germany, and were caught with a firearm, you and your family were shot on the spot.(for instance but not limited to)
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I find it absolutely shocking that you would truly believe that guns laws like the US has would have prevented Hitler's holocaust and the second world war. You are saying it was directly caused by the fact that their citizens did not have guns? I know history goes to the victors, but you seem to have access to some other history that I have never heard before. I am not Jewish. But I have met holocaust survivors and I have read many many accounts of what went on in Hitler's Europe. Not once have I ever heard anyone argue that gun laws like the US has would have prevented any of it.

I got the stats from Wikipedia, but feel free to pull any stats you can find that are better or more current. They all show the same thing. The US leads developed countries in gun violence on a per capita basis and has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world. Those are facts. You have the Second Amendment, so it is 100% your constitutional right. But that right comes with consequences and other impacts in the US. The stats show those impacts.
 
I am really trying to play out the theory that if German citizens under Hitler all had guns, the holocaust and WW2 would not have happened.

So Hitler rises to power in Germany, with the support of most of German citizens. He has is visions and his plans. The majority of Germans all have guns but they support Hitler at the time.

So at that time, the minority that disagree with Hitler and where things are headed, use their guns to overthrow Hitler, the army and the majority of other citizens? That wont work. They would just be killed by the military or their fellow Germans. So time has to pass.

So now its getting really ugly. Hitler starts to deny Jews rights and talk about his plan. So Jewish families (rightfully armed) are told their kids cannot go to school any more and their businesses are taken away. But this is supported by the majority of Germans at the time (even if some were starting to have doubts). Is it plausible that those Jewish families would have pulled out their guns and started shooting to protect their rights? And assassinated Hitler, his army and the other Germans that still supported Hitler? They would just be killed by the military or their fellow Germans. So time has to pass.

I just don't get it. Its ridiculous baseless hypothetical nonsense. I would LOVE to see a politician use it as an argument in support of 2A and watch the career freefall that would result. (Actually, I think this POTUS might get away with it)

But what worries me is that it appears some people might actually believe it. And god help you all in the US if there are people among those that are rallying around the 2nd amendment that believe that the right to bear arms also means the right to use those arms against other citizens to defend the right to bear arms. What if down the road 60% of Americans (through the actual American democratic process) decide they want more gun controls?

There is a lot of subtle and not so subtle threats out there like the "come and take it" posters. And the Virginia protesters dressed up in full military gear with assault rifles. I can't see a reason for showing up that way except as a unspoken threat. Its really sad.
 
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Creekwood said:
I find it absolutely shocking that you would truly believe that guns laws like the US has would have prevented Hitler's holocaust and the second world war. You are saying it was directly caused by the fact that their citizens did not have guns? I know history goes to the victors, but you seem to have access to some other history that I have never heard before. I am not Jewish. But I have met holocaust survivors and I have read many many accounts of what went on in Hitler's Europe. Not once have I ever heard anyone argue that gun laws like the US has would have prevented any of it.

I got the stats from Wikipedia, but feel free to pull any stats you can find that are better or more current. They all show the same thing. The US leads developed countries in gun violence on a per capita basis and has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world. Those are facts. You have the Second Amendment, so it is 100% your constitutional right. But that right comes with consequences and other impacts in the US. The stats show those impacts.
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How / why would anyone tie gun ownership to per capita gun related deaths? That is the most ignorantly partisan thing I've ever heard. Is there not more relevant reasons?
 
Creekwood said:
I find it absolutely shocking that you would truly believe that guns laws like the US has would have prevented Hitler's holocaust and the second world war. You are saying it was directly caused by the fact that their citizens did not have guns? I know history goes to the victors, but you seem to have access to some other history that I have never heard before. I am not Jewish. But I have met holocaust survivors and I have read many many accounts of what went on in Hitler's Europe. Not once have I ever heard anyone argue that gun laws like the US has would have prevented any of it.

I got the stats from Wikipedia, but feel free to pull any stats you can find that are better or more current. They all show the same thing. The US leads developed countries in gun violence on a per capita basis and has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world. Those are facts. You have the Second Amendment, so it is 100% your constitutional right. But that right comes with consequences and other impacts in the US. The stats show those impacts.
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Was that what I said or implied, "gun laws like the US"?? I brought up a "fact" and as an example, that the Jewish people in Germany were stripped of their weapons to defend themselves. Germany has never had "US Laws" as it relates to the US's "Bill of Rights", so I'm confused how you reached that connection and conclusion by my post??

Weird how Wiki doesn't have a homicide rate for Norway ? So I guess there was never a mass shooting on an island that killed 77 people. But what do you expect, it's Wikipedia.
 
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Kwik said:
Oof. I dont have proof. But, I can say with personal knowledge that guns flew off the shelf when Obama won election. I had been eyeing a certain shotgun for a couple years. I waited too long and almost didnt even find one after he was elected. Also couldnt find .22lr or 9mm for months. Not trying to fuel a fire. But, that was real.
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I had ZERO problems buying guns and ammo the 8 yrs he was in office...….
 
Ollie, I try to keep my head down and stay out of everyone's line of fire but I do have a question for you. What do you consider common sense abortion control?

On a separate note, why should there be or not be ANY controls on abortions?
 
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