Lumitec Lighting Install

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  1. pyro

    pyro Active Member

    270
    Dec 4, 2018
    CT, Long Island Sound
    2008 Sundancer 290
    Twin 5.0L MPI Bravo III
    Kohler 5ecd
    Planning to share my lighting upgrade installation. First the plan:

    2008 290 Sundancer
    - Replace 2 arch and 3 cockpit lights with Lumitec RGB Mirage
    - Add 3 underwater Seablaze X2 Blue/White
    - Control all with Lumitec Poco system in series with Sundancer EIM system
    - Add some various RGB strip lighting with Lumitec RGB C4 expansion module
    - Add swim platform accent lights

    This boat has a CAN bus controlled EIM relay system. I want to keep the helm controls as is. But after the EIM relay add in the POCO so that the POCO can send the high frequency power line instructions and control the colors if wanted via Bluetooth, TCP/IP, NMEA, etc. In other words you can think of two switches wired in series: the EIM and Poco. Both need to be on to turn on. The key here is to setup Poco such that it turns on only certain channels on power up. Therefore when you press the helm switch the corresponding light will turn on. It took a long time to figure out if this is truly possible. In fact Lumitec customer service wasn't even sure. My prelimary tests show it is possible to configure. Hoping for no surprises when it's all installed.

    To access the EIM wiring I choose to build a breakout harness and connect in series with
    boat harness and the EIM itself. This is a massive 40 pin 20 Amp connector from Deutsch (TE). Attached is the planned wiring diagram. Here is a picture of it PXL_20210323_023400430.jpg

    The poco normally comes with just 12 pigtail wires, so I added this 12 pin Deutsch DT series connector. It's a really nice easy to use connector. Next I could have hacked away some of the massive boat factory harness in 2" split wire loom and attempted to access the 4 wires needed. But I instead went this route such that it can theoretically be unplugged and the boat can be restored back to it's original. That means I needed to jump through about 36 wires. It also is simpler said than done. It took me prob 30 minutes just to unscrew the allen key connector to remove this connector due to impossible access.

    Not shown here is a few additional wires that will plug in from the front EIM for the arch lights and a new wire for transom accent lights. These will get added to the 12 pin connector when fitted in the boat.

    Here's hoping I don't blow up anything! Assuming the boat still works after I plug this in, I'll be cutting in my underwater lights soon. Planning to oversize the holes, including the 3 mounting screw holes, then filling with MarineTex (thickened epoxy). Then re-drilling the correct size. A lot of extra work, but this ensures that if these things were ever to leak I don't destroy the wood transom.
     

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  2. gasketguy

    gasketguy Active Member

    211
    Nov 11, 2015
    Harrison Township Michigan
    330 1996 Sundancer
    Twin 7.4
    Mind-blown!!
     
  3. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
    Kent Narrows, MD
    1988 460 EC
    Detroit 6v92TA
    (Low profile's)
    Alison Gears
    Westerbeke
    12.5kw Genset
    Well I can see I don't have to ask what you do for a living, very nicely done.
     
  4. pyro

    pyro Active Member

    270
    Dec 4, 2018
    CT, Long Island Sound
    2008 Sundancer 290
    Twin 5.0L MPI Bravo III
    Kohler 5ecd
    Indeed my background is electrical engineering of computer systems. I have previously requested any old/damaged EIM or more importantly the keypads as I have a CAN analyzer and can likely reverse engineer the objects/commands so they can easily be recreated by modern electronics. If anyone has anything they would let me borrow, PM me. I thought about tapping a wire off my harness to hook up to the analyzer, but it's not worth the slight risk of a working system.
     
  5. pyro

    pyro Active Member

    270
    Dec 4, 2018
    CT, Long Island Sound
    2008 Sundancer 290
    Twin 5.0L MPI Bravo III
    Kohler 5ecd
    A little more progress on installation. First harness installed in line with factory harness going to rear EIM. Length was a little longer than needed, but better than short especially since the factory harness and connector does not want to bend.
    eim_wired.jpg

    Then to get into the front EIM, I tapped into the connector connecting into the arch.
    arch_lights_tapped.jpg

    POCO installed to the engine compartment ceiling.
    poco_installed.jpg

    Next to mount the lights on the transom. I choose to oversize the drill holes and fill in with MarineTex. So 1/2" center went to 3/4", and the #10 screws went to 3/8". This was to protect the inner plywood layers so they would never rot if these leaked. Surprised to find that the two outer lights were solid fiberglass, so I did not oversize the screw holes.
    initial_drilled.jpg

    I then filled a large syringe with MarineTex and filled from the back of the hole outwards, taping it off.
    epoxy_taped.jpg

    Final installation
    stern_installed.jpg

    Connecting the interior wiring now, and should have them turned on in a few days. I am repurposing the "compartment" switch for new underwater lights. The actual compartment light will be connected to bilge lights. So I did have to pick out this wire from the harness behind the engines and cut it. Probably the least professional part of the whole installation!
     

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  6. Dabble

    Dabble Active Member

    125
    May 26, 2020
    Olympia, WA
    1997 330 Sundancer
    2000 230 Bow Rider
    97 - Twin 5.7 Merc V-Drives
    2000 - 5.7 Bravo III
    Wayyyyy over my head. What’s the point of all the extra wiring?
     
  7. pyro

    pyro Active Member

    270
    Dec 4, 2018
    CT, Long Island Sound
    2008 Sundancer 290
    Twin 5.0L MPI Bravo III
    Kohler 5ecd
    So yea...maybe I went a bit overboard with this project...

    Lumitec Mirage Spectrum
    PXL_20210415_013050528.jpg

    Can control arch and cockpit lights seperately, including colors.
    PXL_20210410_001329977.jpg

    Controlled by app or soon to be integrated into MFD
    Screenshot_20210407-215403.jpg

    Screenshot_20210407-215320.jpg

    And finally Seablaze X2 blue/white which seems a bit much out of the water :) Picture doesn't do it justice.
    PXL_20210414_011945137.jpg

    Next will install a few RGB tape light accents. I prob should stop, but already bought the Poco extension module so why stop now. I really like the fact that I can control the lights from the helm keypads and then fine tune either brightness or colors via app/MFD. And the dimming capability is crucial since at least the cockpit lights are very harsh.

    Next I'll post some info on the Poco system config which I'm not done with, current measurements and soon in water pics.
     
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  8. bracketracer

    bracketracer Active Member

    539
    Aug 23, 2016
    Wilson, NY
    2001 380DA
    Fully updated Raymarine MFDs, Quantum radar, full LED lighting conversion, and lots more.
    Twin 454 Horizons
    Holy crap. This is so money. I have a bunch of Lumitec stuff on the boat, but limited the install to the switching options that they have available.

    I have a whole house full of Philips Hue stuff with the HT system triggering bulbs and light strips through their Sync box, but don't have the skills/knowledge to do what you did on the boat. I may need to expand my knowledge here.
     
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  9. pyro

    pyro Active Member

    270
    Dec 4, 2018
    CT, Long Island Sound
    2008 Sundancer 290
    Twin 5.0L MPI Bravo III
    Kohler 5ecd
    Finally getting around to posting a few pictures. Raymarine finally got some Axiom+ 12 in stock so I was able to install that and connect POCO to the MFD. It looks identical to the phone app.

    I still need to play around with the POCO app configuration a little more, so more to come eventually. But the good news is, I can now confirm that it is indeed possible to configure POCO for a power on initial configuration.

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  10. ProConMan

    ProConMan Member

    48
    Jun 17, 2021
    Chesapeake Bay
    2003 Sea Ray 280DA w/ 5E Kohler
    Twin 4.3L MPI w/ Alpha 1 Gen II Drives
    Wow! Great work and great planning. I was just looking into exactly this system and thinking about doing the same on my 280DA and you've already done the lifting on the schematics. Would you be able to share the PN's for the connectors you used so I can make my own harness and did you need to buy a special crimping tool for the pins?
     
  11. MonacoMike

    MonacoMike Well-Known Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    Indiana lakes and Lake Michigan
    2000 Cruisers 3870
    8.2 Mercs
    85 Sea Ray Monaco 197
    260hp Alpha 1
    Wow!!! Over the top...
     
  12. mdolesh

    mdolesh Active Member

    168
    Dec 18, 2019
    Annapolis, MD
    2013 370 Venture
    Twin 300 Verado
    Nice work!!
     
  13. ProConMan

    ProConMan Member

    48
    Jun 17, 2021
    Chesapeake Bay
    2003 Sea Ray 280DA w/ 5E Kohler
    Twin 4.3L MPI w/ Alpha 1 Gen II Drives
    Just realized the PN's are in the schematic. Silly me! Ordered all the parts to do a similar install except I'll be hooking the underwater lights into pin 1 so they can be turned on by the aft accy button instead of the light compartment button. Also pin 21 is accy 2 per my boats schematic and pin 1 is aft accy but I suppose mine might be slightly different.
     
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  14. ProConMan

    ProConMan Member

    48
    Jun 17, 2021
    Chesapeake Bay
    2003 Sea Ray 280DA w/ 5E Kohler
    Twin 4.3L MPI w/ Alpha 1 Gen II Drives
    Just received all my wire, connectors, crimpers, and parts. Cant wait to bust this out after work!

    I'm also changing the cabin stair step light to a halo, adding 2 halo transom lights, and then will RGB strip light out the cabin. Planning on hooking all new circuits to unused accy buttons on the boat and may tie into the fwd EIM harness as well to do so.
     
  15. pyro

    pyro Active Member

    270
    Dec 4, 2018
    CT, Long Island Sound
    2008 Sundancer 290
    Twin 5.0L MPI Bravo III
    Kohler 5ecd
    haha, you might realize it takes way longer to create this harness than you expect. Then, twice that time to get the old connector out of the EIM - at least in my boat. Will have a few more tweaks over this winter to share. And need to get some pics of the Helm with the Poco app on the MFD. But I still find myself preferring to reach for the phone and connect to it using Bluetooth. Maybe with a 2nd screen I would use it more. I'll let you know next year :D
     
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