NMEA2000 and Smart-Craft

[bajturner]

Question: Did you guys with Garmins need to install a separate GPS pod for the MM? Mine would not receive the GPS data from my 720s - but only from a garmin POD gps. I would get time from the 720 but not LAT/LNG - so Eco Mode did not work before I put the gps pod in.

I had this problem with my original MM install. It was bad firmware. A replacement from Merc solved the GPS data issue...

 

[kaz911]

I had this problem with my original MM install. It was bad firmware. A replacement from Merc solved the GPS data issue...

thanks! - do you remember the firmware version in your replacement? Old boat is sold - with an extra Garmin 17x in it. But it worked.

 

[bajturner]

thanks! - do you remember the firmware version in your replacement?

I don't, but I will be at the boat Thursday and will try to remember to check...

 

[barryg]

Hey Guys,

I'm excited to see if I can get the smart craft info thru my Garmin 5208...I glanced thru some of the posts here and need someone to please walk me thru it. Not sure if how it really connects- to the 0183 or the 2000 and to which wires?

I opened up the panel with the gauges and found both a white and purple wire that was not attached to the smartcraft speedometer. Can someone walk me thru how to connect to my Garmin 5208 GPS, and which wire goes where? This is from the port Speedo. The starboard speedo has both the white and purple connected, not loose...

Here are two photos, the first is the port speedo where the loose wires are:



Now here's the one from the starboard:



Thanks for the help!!!

 

[Henry Boyd]

Yes, You have Smartcraft gauges. The wires you show are for the alarm horn. Show a picture of the dashboard. That will help id the hardware you have. The connection you are looking for is dependent on the hardware.

Henry

 

[barryg]

I know I have smart craft gauges. What I want to know is how to push thru the information to my Garmin 5208. Someone here mentioned about being able to use the white wire behind the speedo like I show in the photo to the Garmin thru NMEA 2000.. Just need to know how.

 

[bajturner]

thanks! - do you remember the firmware version in your replacement? Old boat is sold - with an extra Garmin 17x in it. But it worked.

I was there last weekend but forgot to check! Sorry, I will try to remember this coming weekend...

 

[Henry Boyd]

From my Smartcraft literature

Connecting GPS Unit to the SmartCraft System Speedometer
The question of connecting GPS to SmartCraft is a commonly asked one. The specificconnection is somewhat dependant on the approach to wiring which the GPS supplieruses.
Although this connection requires a little attention to detail, the result will be the displayon the SmartCraft gauge of valuable boating information like distance to waypoint (DTW)and fuel to waypoint (FTW), course over ground (COG) and speed over ground (SOG).With the latest System View product, you can even view bearing to waypoint (BTW) andspeed to waypoint (STW) on its “Course Up” and “Waypoint Information” screens.
Let’s describe a few key items to keep in mind when connecting your GPS to SmartCraft.These items include:

2. SmartCraft to GPS wiring
3. GPS output requirements
   2. NMEA v1.5 vs. v2.0
   3. Turning off the GSV, and VTG Sentences (on GPS products sending v2.0 to theSystem Speed gauge)
   4. We are not compatible with NMEA 2.3 and later
4. Use of termination harness, 84-88951A02 (System View only)

SmartCraft to GPS Wiring
SmartCraft brings in GPS data on the Dark Blue/White tracer wire (Input Data -) and theWhite/Light Blue tracer wire (Input Data +). Typically your GPS will have a (GPS Data +)and (GPS Data -) wire. In some cases only the (GPS Data +) wire will be provided. In thiscase, the GPS’s ground (typically Black) wire is used for (GPS Data -) and must be con-nected to SmartCraft’s Dark Blue/White tracer wire (Input Data -), as well as boat ground.
A typical GPS connection might look like the following:

SmartCraft/Vessel	Connects To	GPS (Garmin example)
Constant 12V (Red)	Connects To	Red 12V Power
Black Boat Ground, and; Dark Blue/White tracer wire (Input Data -)	Connects To	Black Ground (and Yellow may need to beconnected if supplied)
White/Light Blue tracer wire (Input Data +)	Connects To	White (GPS Data +)
	Not Used	Blue (GPS Data -)

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GPS Output Requirements
SmartCraft is presently compatible with any GPS using the NMEA 0183 format v1.5. MostGPS companies have moved forward to v2.0+. SmartCraft System View is compatiblewith v2.0+, but due to the length of some portions of the v2.0 sentence SmartCraft Sys-temSpeed may experience intermittent GPS data loss. To eliminate data loss when usingNMEA 0183 v2.0 you may be able to turn off the “GSV” and “VTG” sentences in many ofthe GPS devices. GSV and WTG are too long for System Speed’s buffer. Turning off GSVand VTG sentences will not have an adverse impact on other data received by SystemSpeed. Our product is not at all compatible with NMEA v2.3+.
We have contacted many of the GPS companies in order to help you identify which prod-ucts are directly compatible, and which products may need the GSV sentence turned off.The VTG sentence is turned off as default in most GPS products, But you should confirmwith the manufacturer.

• Raymarine: All product is v2.0+ or later, but all models do give you the option ofturning off the GSV, and VTG sentences. Refer to the owner’s manual to turn thissentence off for best performance. Depending on the SmartCraft product used an84–88951A02 adaptor harness provided by SmartCraft will have to be added.
• Garmin: Most display products are v2.0+ or later. For the antenna-only productsyou can turn the GSV and VTG sentences off by purchasing a software programfrom Garmin. [Remember SmartCraft is not compatible with any Garmin prod-uct that is v2.3 or later.] (Garmin 17N)
• Furuno: All of the products are configurable to NMEA v1.5. If you choose to v2.0+you can also turn off the GSV and VTG sentences. If the product is NMEA v2.0 orlater you will need to use NMEA v1.5 mode only.
• Magellan: All models are v2.0+. Certain models have configurable sentencing.Magellan suggests calling their service department with model number to confirmspecification. Remember SmartCraft is not compatible with any Magellan productthat is v2.3 or later.
• Simrad: All products are v2.0+ or later, but some models give you the option ofturning off the GSV sentence. Refer to the owner’s manual and turn this sentenceoff for best performance. Remember SmartCraft is not compatible with any Simradproduct that is v2.3 or later.

Henry

That came out looking bad. PM me with an email address and I will forward a copy of the pdf

 

[kaz911]

I know I have smart craft gauges. What I want to know is how to push thru the information to my Garmin 5208. Someone here mentioned about being able to use the white wire behind the speedo like I show in the photo to the Garmin thru NMEA 2000.. Just need to know how.

To the best of my knowledge - it is not possible to "output" smartcraft data to the GPS MFD. Only the other way around - so "push" GPS position data to the SmartCraft instruments.

To get engine data etc on your Garmin 5xxx - you need a MercMonitor with NMEA 2000 output to the Garmin. MercMonitor has it's own requirements. (Engine S/N & year) to be "fully" functional.

 

[zeehond_nl]

o.k. this looks to be the place of my mercmonitor question
Hello there. With a bit of luck my mercmonitor is coming to the Netherlands from the US (finally).

Next questions is what will I swap? Do I change it with the speedo or with the rpm?
In my next dashboard the is no room for another gauge, so one must go out.

Here a picture of my dashboard. They all are smartcraft gauges (i think)

Thanks guys,
Marco