POTUS caught a flu.... and VPOTUS caught a fly

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That was funny it just sat there then walked around. Pence also has pink eye an early sysptom of Covid-19. There are over 34 people infected as a result of Trumps super spreader get together. The debate had no clear cut winner both made points but Trump needed a big win tonight but he didn't get it. Biden/Harris lead will grow again as a result of this debate.
 
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alnav said:
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Dear Fly,
What were his lies? Was it about the “very fine people” hoax? Maybe it was his questions about packing the court? Could it be the question he raised about the current China virus plan being the same as the Biden team has proposed? Maybe it was the part about questioning the economy destroying Green New Deal? Maybe those questions were asked with too much mansplaning cuzz he’s a sexist - you know, a racist and sexist even though the Democrats selected a VP based solely on race and sex?
Respectfully,
Ollie

if all you have is a fly, pink eye and mansplaning, it’s clear you lost the debate.

oh,,Harris/Biden
2020
 
Meanwhile, she performed so poorly that the MSM has already stopped reporting on it. Only 36 hours......seems like this is the only thread that cares.

Harris/Biden
2020
 
OllieC said:
Dear Fly,
What were his lies? Was it about the “very fine people” hoax? Maybe it was his questions about packing the court? Could it be the question he raised about the current China virus plan being the same as the Biden team has proposed? Maybe it was the part about questioning the economy destroying Green New Deal? Maybe those questions were asked with too much mansplaning cuzz he’s a sexist - you know, a racist and sexist even though the Democrats selected a VP based solely on race and sex?
Respectfully,
Ollie

if all you have is a fly, pink eye and mansplaning, it’s clear you lost the debate.

oh,,Harris/Biden
2020
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You asked, so here goes a list just about his virus-related lies:

1. Equipment. Pence blamed former President Barack Obama and former Vice President Joe Biden for the shortage of masks, ventilators, and other equipment that Trump faced when the virus arrived this year. “They left the Strategic National Stockpile empty,” said Pence, adding that the Trump administration “learned from” their mistakes. That’s bull. Obama left Trump thousands of ventilators, and Trump—far from stocking up—squeezed the budget for pandemics. Trump also cut the staff who would deal with such a crisis, calling them unnecessary. He later said he hadn’t refilled the stockpile because “I have a lot of things going on.”
2. Travel. Pence boasted that Trump “suspended all travel from China” in January. That’s not true, either. Thanks to exemptions in Trump’s order, almost 40,000 people traveled from China to the United States in the next two months. Forensic analysis later determined, with 95 percent certainty, that the “founding virus” of the outbreak that swamped Washington state arrived from China between Feb. 7 and Feb. 19.
3. Deception. “China and the World Health Organization did not play straight with the American people,” Pence charged. “They did not let our personnel into China to get information on the coronavirus until the middle of February.” But on Feb. 10, Trump said just the opposite. “China, I can tell you, is working very hard. We’re working with them,” Trump assured Americans in a Fox News interview. “We just sent some of our best people over there, World Health Organization. And a lot of them are composed of our people.” The president went on: “They’re now in China. And we’re helping ‘em out. We’re in very good shape.” Either Trump was lying when he said that, or Pence is lying now. (Trump also played down the virus long after the WHO sounded the alarm.)
4. Mitigation. Pence said Trump saved lives by “shutting down roughly half of the American economy” when “medical experts” urged him to do so “in the second week of March.” But up to that point, Trump resisted mitigation, with catastrophic results. On Feb. 26, Trump threatened to fire Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, for suggesting mitigation. On March 9, he tweeted that nothing should be shut down. Researchers estimate that the delay in mitigation from March 1 to March 15 caused more than 50,000 deaths.
5. Projections. To justify the 210,000 fatalities Trump has allowed so far, Pence claimed that in March, Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House Coronavirus Task Force, projected a possible U.S. death toll of “more than 200,000,” even “if we did everything right.” No, they didn’t. At a White House briefing on March 31, Birx said the upper end of the plausible range was 200,000, and she specified that the projected estimate of 100,000 to 200,000 deaths was based on “not assuming” that Americans did “everything that they’re supposed to be doing.” Birx added, “We can do a lot better than that.”
6. Negligence. Pence brushed off a question about the Sept. 26 White House celebration for Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, Amy Coney Barrett. During the celebration, Trump, Pence, and other Republicans had flouted every health rule—dozens of guests, no masks, no social distance—resulting in numerous infections. “It was an outdoor event, which all of our scientists regularly and routinely advise,” Pence claimed during the debate. That’s a deeply dishonest answer. Most of the celebration took place indoors, and pictures show that Trump and other attendees flouted the rules there as well.
7. Money. Pence said the administration was doing everything possible to get people through financial hardships caused by the virus. “We literally have spared no expense to help the American people and the American worker through this,” he insisted. That’s a ludicrous howler. The day before the debate, Trump announced that he had told Senate Republicans to “stop negotiating” on an aid package and “to instead focus full time on approving” Barrett. “Our Economy is doing very well,” Trump declared. “The Stock Market is at record levels.” On Wednesday morning, hours before the debate, Trump’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, reaffirmed that “the stimulus negotiations are off.”
8. Vaccines. Pence even lied about what happened in the debate. After Harris talked about coronavirus vaccinations, he said it was “unconscionable” of her to “continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine if the vaccine emerges during the Trump administration.” But the transcript shows that Harris expressed full confidence in a vaccine—“I’ll be the first in line to take it, absolutely”—if it was recommended by Fauci and other “public health professionals” in the administration, rather than by Trump alone. Trump has lied all along about the virus and how he dealt with it. Against the background of the president’s recklessness, Pence has been a voice of relative sanity. But with the election bearing down on him, and a record he can’t honestly defend, the vice president has decided that honesty must go.
 
alnav said:
You asked, so here goes a list just about his virus-related lies:

1. Equipment. Pence blamed former President Barack Obama and former Vice President Joe Biden for the shortage of masks, ventilators, and other equipment that Trump faced when the virus arrived this year. “They left the Strategic National Stockpile empty,” said Pence, adding that the Trump administration “learned from” their mistakes. That’s bull. Obama left Trump thousands of ventilators, and Trump—far from stocking up—squeezed the budget for pandemics. Trump also cut the staff who would deal with such a crisis, calling them unnecessary. He later said he hadn’t refilled the stockpile because “I have a lot of things going on.”
2. Travel. Pence boasted that Trump “suspended all travel from China” in January. That’s not true, either. Thanks to exemptions in Trump’s order, almost 40,000 people traveled from China to the United States in the next two months. Forensic analysis later determined, with 95 percent certainty, that the “founding virus” of the outbreak that swamped Washington state arrived from China between Feb. 7 and Feb. 19.
3. Deception. “China and the World Health Organization did not play straight with the American people,” Pence charged. “They did not let our personnel into China to get information on the coronavirus until the middle of February.” But on Feb. 10, Trump said just the opposite. “China, I can tell you, is working very hard. We’re working with them,” Trump assured Americans in a Fox News interview. “We just sent some of our best people over there, World Health Organization. And a lot of them are composed of our people.” The president went on: “They’re now in China. And we’re helping ‘em out. We’re in very good shape.” Either Trump was lying when he said that, or Pence is lying now. (Trump also played down the virus long after the WHO sounded the alarm.)
4. Mitigation. Pence said Trump saved lives by “shutting down roughly half of the American economy” when “medical experts” urged him to do so “in the second week of March.” But up to that point, Trump resisted mitigation, with catastrophic results. On Feb. 26, Trump threatened to fire Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, for suggesting mitigation. On March 9, he tweeted that nothing should be shut down. Researchers estimate that the delay in mitigation from March 1 to March 15 caused more than 50,000 deaths.
5. Projections. To justify the 210,000 fatalities Trump has allowed so far, Pence claimed that in March, Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House Coronavirus Task Force, projected a possible U.S. death toll of “more than 200,000,” even “if we did everything right.” No, they didn’t. At a White House briefing on March 31, Birx said the upper end of the plausible range was 200,000, and she specified that the projected estimate of 100,000 to 200,000 deaths was based on “not assuming” that Americans did “everything that they’re supposed to be doing.” Birx added, “We can do a lot better than that.”
6. Negligence. Pence brushed off a question about the Sept. 26 White House celebration for Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, Amy Coney Barrett. During the celebration, Trump, Pence, and other Republicans had flouted every health rule—dozens of guests, no masks, no social distance—resulting in numerous infections. “It was an outdoor event, which all of our scientists regularly and routinely advise,” Pence claimed during the debate. That’s a deeply dishonest answer. Most of the celebration took place indoors, and pictures show that Trump and other attendees flouted the rules there as well.
7. Money. Pence said the administration was doing everything possible to get people through financial hardships caused by the virus. “We literally have spared no expense to help the American people and the American worker through this,” he insisted. That’s a ludicrous howler. The day before the debate, Trump announced that he had told Senate Republicans to “stop negotiating” on an aid package and “to instead focus full time on approving” Barrett. “Our Economy is doing very well,” Trump declared. “The Stock Market is at record levels.” On Wednesday morning, hours before the debate, Trump’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, reaffirmed that “the stimulus negotiations are off.”
8. Vaccines. Pence even lied about what happened in the debate. After Harris talked about coronavirus vaccinations, he said it was “unconscionable” of her to “continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine if the vaccine emerges during the Trump administration.” But the transcript shows that Harris expressed full confidence in a vaccine—“I’ll be the first in line to take it, absolutely”—if it was recommended by Fauci and other “public health professionals” in the administration, rather than by Trump alone. Trump has lied all along about the virus and how he dealt with it. Against the background of the president’s recklessness, Pence has been a voice of relative sanity. But with the election bearing down on him, and a record he can’t honestly defend, the vice president has decided that honesty must go.
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Now do the other side of the argument.
 
All you took away from the entire debate is the Wuhan virus???? Really?? You seem frightened..... Oh and a fly. Let's go through this then shall we.....

1. So the strategic stockpile was full? Trump is suppose to manage States and their own stockpiles. No need for Governors. All Hail KING TRUMP!

2. During Fauci's testimony before the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, House Minority Whip Steve Scalise, R-La., asked Fauci if he was involved in the president's January order restricting travel from China.
"Yes, sir, I was," Fauci answered.
"Do you agree with that decision?" asked Scalise.
"I do," Fauci responded.
"Do you think that decision saved lives, Dr. Fauci?" Scalise asked.
"Yes, I do," the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases answered.

I guess the candidate who lied about his education, multiple times, even a few weeks ago, is more truthful the "THE SCIENTIST" Fauci? Cool story bro.

3. This is already getting boring. Yes, to those who don't have selective memory, the WHO withheld information vital to protecting the 'world' for China. If you remember, China would not let us in. I'm glad you're on board in finally understanding that this is Chinas fault, and not the Presidents. Looks like you're coming around.
Here's a direct TWEET from the WHO. Jan 14th 2020
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China

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4. So I guess Trump is in charge of the States? Why have Governors (reference #1). Cuomo refused to shut down the NY border in March for instance. "March 20th 2020"

ALBANY, N.Y. (WIVT) – “It’s not going to happen,” Governor Cuomo said at Thursday’s press conference when addressing a possible statewide shutdown. “I won’t do it.”
Rumors of a shutdown in the city or the state in general have been circulating – but Cuomo remains firm that it will not happen.
“Fear is as or more contagious as the virus,” Cuomo said on Thursday, adding that a shutdown would only propel fear.

Please let me know where it says in the Constitution that the President can shutdown State commerce.

5. Uh....he was reciting what the CDC projected to be 2,000,000 deaths........please reference #2

6. So what? Negligence is allowing rioters to burn down cities maskless and not sending in the National Guard. YAWN.... That's your issue? Pelosi was in a hair salon maskless and then tried destroying the owner for producing a video. Whitmer's husband went fishing when all marinas and leisure travel was canceled. Biden, maskless, walked directly up to Anderson Cooper after a town hall. (I noticed he tried with Chris Wallace to but Chris backed away)

7. Indeed. I find comedy in the fact that on one hand, Democrats complain about Trumps ridiculous spending, then on the other hand when he shuts down a $2.4 trillion dollar bill from the house (originally over $3 trillion) because it's full of pork, poorly run state bailouts and protections for ILLEGAL ALIENS, you are now having a conniption fit.

8. You know it and I know it, Democrats have made this political. IMO if we hit 2 million deaths they would be happier than a pig in slop. Ideology 1st! It's absolutely sickening the frothing at the mouths. Hell, not long ago hydroxychloroquine would never work. However it was like an act of God for Amy Klobuchar to admit that her husband took it after coughing up blood in the ICU. I have not heard one proposal from Democrats who want to work with AMERICANS and the POTUS to try and fix this, economically as well as medically......not one. In regards to Pence's comments on a Vaccine, he's spot on. She's said it before that if the president said we have a vaccine she "would not take his word for it".......yeah, because Real Estate Mogul turned Scientist, Donald Trump is in his garage creating a vaccine. I guess you missed the part that was mentioned there are many companies trying to develop a vaccine and the military is ready to deploy it nationwide?

thanks for playing


So let's talk about the GREEN NEW DEAL. Only $2 trillion dollars to tear down thousands of building and then rebuild them? Riots? How about Democrat run cities, including mine that have been destroyed? How about the Military, that Obama had, and during that time military planes were falling out of the sky? How about defunding the police? Why is Kamala contributing to a cause to get ANTIFA thugs out of jail? Open borders and giving free healthcare to illegal aliens - they all raised their hands during the debates? How about minority employment during this presidents tenure? How about being energy independent ? No discussion on that. Let's discuss the 47 years of Biden and how now he's going to make it all better. How about his increase of taxes for everyone by eliminating the Trump tax cuts, which is on his site, but Harris refused to answer? I remember the old days (2016) when Democrats were talking about going after the Millionaire's and Billionaires, I guess we're now down to the 'THOUSANDAIRES'? How soon before the Hundredaires? Kamala touched on bringing in GREEN JOBS - so is that like when Obama gave subsidies to failing Green Job companies that went bankrupt, some selling to China? Speaking of China, nothing on the relationship with Ol Joe and China? How about packing the courts? What list of candidates do you have Joe? Oh, that's right, we'll have to find out what that is after he's elected...........but yeah, let's discuss Wuhan 24/7

epic fail
Harris / Biden
2020

edit: I spent way to long on this....need to get some work done.
 
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OllieC said:
All you took away from the entire debate is the Wuhan virus???? Really?? You seem frightened..... Oh and a fly. Let's go through this then shall we.....

1. So the strategic stockpile was full? Trump is suppose to manage States and their own stockpiles. No need for Governors. All Hail KING TRUMP!

2. During Fauci's testimony before the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, House Minority Whip Steve Scalise, R-La., asked Fauci if he was involved in the president's January order restricting travel from China.
"Yes, sir, I was," Fauci answered.
"Do you agree with that decision?" asked Scalise.
"I do," Fauci responded.
"Do you think that decision saved lives, Dr. Fauci?" Scalise asked.
"Yes, I do," the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases answered.

I guess the candidate who lied about his education, multiple times, even a few weeks ago, is more truthful the "THE SCIENTIST" Fauci? Cool story bro.

3. This is already getting boring. Yes, to those who don't have selective memory, the WHO withheld information vital to protecting the 'world' for China. If you remember, China would not let us in. I'm glad you're on board in finally understanding that this is Chinas fault, and not the Presidents. Looks like you're coming around.
Here's a direct TWEET from the WHO. Jan 14th 2020
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China

1f1e8-1f1f3.svg
4. So I guess Trump is in charge of the States? Why have Governors (reference #1). Cuomo refused to shut down the NY border in March for instance. "March 20th 2020"

ALBANY, N.Y. (WIVT) – “It’s not going to happen,” Governor Cuomo said at Thursday’s press conference when addressing a possible statewide shutdown. “I won’t do it.”
Rumors of a shutdown in the city or the state in general have been circulating – but Cuomo remains firm that it will not happen.
“Fear is as or more contagious as the virus,” Cuomo said on Thursday, adding that a shutdown would only propel fear.

Please let me know where it says in the Constitution that the President can shutdown State commerce.

5. Uh....he was reciting what the CDC projected to be 2,000,000 deaths........please reference #2

6. So what? Negligence is allowing rioters to burn down cities maskless and not sending in the National Guard. YAWN.... That's your issue? Pelosi was in a hair salon maskless and then tried destroying the owner for producing a video. Whitmer's husband went fishing when all marinas and leisure travel was canceled. Biden, maskless, walked directly up to Anderson Cooper after a town hall. (I noticed he tried with Chris Wallace to but Chris backed away)

7. Indeed. I find comedy in the fact that on one hand, Democrats complain about Trumps ridiculous spending, then on the other hand when he shuts down a $2.4 trillion dollar bill from the house (originally over $3 trillion) because it's full of pork, poorly run state bailouts and protections for ILLEGAL ALIENS, you are now having a conniption fit.

8. You know it and I know it, Democrats have made this political. IMO if we hit 2 million deaths they would be happier than a pig in slop. Ideology 1st! It's absolutely sickening the frothing at the mouths. Hell, not long ago hydroxychloroquine would never work. However it was like an act of God for Amy Klobuchar to admit that her husband took it after coughing up blood in the ICU. I have not heard one proposal from Democrats who want to work with AMERICANS and the POTUS to try and fix this, economically as well as medically......not one. In regards to Pence's comments on a Vaccine, he's spot on. She's said it before that if the president said we have a vaccine she "would not take his word for it".......yeah, because Real Estate Mogul turned Scientist, Donald Trump is in his garage creating a vaccine. I guess you missed the part that was mentioned there are many companies trying to develop a vaccine and the military is ready to deploy it nationwide?

thanks for playing


So let's talk about the GREEN NEW DEAL. Only $2 trillion dollars to tear down thousands of building and then rebuild them? Riots? How about Democrat run cities, including mine that have been destroyed? How about the Military, that Obama had, and during that time military planes were falling out of the sky? How about defunding the police? Why is Kamala contributing to a cause to get ANTIFA thugs out of jail? Open borders and giving free healthcare to illegal aliens - they all raised their hands during the debates? How about minority employment during this presidents tenure? How about being energy independent ? No discussion on that. Let's discuss the 47 years of Biden and how now he's going to make it all better. How about his increase of taxes for everyone by eliminating the Trump tax cuts, which is on his site, but Harris refused to answer? I remember the old days (2016) when Democrats were talking about going after the Millionaire's and Billionaires, I guess we're now down to the 'THOUSANDAIRES'? How soon before the Hundredaires? Kamala touched on bringing in GREEN JOBS - so is that like when Obama gave subsidies to failing Green Job companies that went bankrupt, some selling to China? Speaking of China, nothing on the relationship with Ol Joe and China? How about packing the courts? What list of candidates do you have Joe? Oh, that's right, we'll have to find out what that is after he's elected...........but yeah, let's discuss Wuhan 24/7

epic fail
Harris / Biden
2020

edit: I spent way to long on this....need to get some work done.
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I spent about 30 seconds finding the list of lies online so thank you for playing. I don't see as you did much other than state deflections and "what about...s". The question was whether the Vice President lied or not. He certainly did, as did Kamala Harris, it just seems that the Vice President did quite a bit more of it.
 
alnav said:
I spent about 30 seconds finding the list of lies online so thank you for playing. I don't see as you did much other than state deflections and "what about...s". The question was whether the Vice President lied or not. He certainly did, as did Kamala Harris, it just seems that the Vice President did quite a bit more of it.
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Harris is pushing perhaps the biggest lie of all.....that she thinks Biden is acceptable to become the POTUS. Her opinion was just the opposite up until she realized she was being considered as a potential running mate.

But hey, it doesn't bother her knowing the selection criteria was first female and black, that she was picked based on the potential votes she would draw....I guess you could say she's more than willing to be used. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
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