Relocation of shore lines plug in 90 350 Sundancer

QT1 said:
Who had the best pricing on the ss receptacles? They look great!
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I’m in New Orleans for the next few days. When I get back to DC I will pull up the materials list and post it.
 
MonacoMike said:
My Cruisers has the breakers with the plug from the factory.

MM
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Mike,

I’m not sure I understand what you are saying. The receptacles I installed were Marinco. Behind them I mounted a waterproof box containing two 30 amp Marine breakers then made the run to the electrical panel.

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Are you saying your receptacles have built in breakers?
 
PlayDate said:
I’m in New Orleans for the next few days. When I get back to DC I will pull up the materials list and post it.
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Thank you. Very much appreciated.
 
PlayDate said:
Mike,

I’m not sure I understand what you are saying. The receptacles I installed were Marinco. Behind them I mounted a waterproof box containing two 30 amp Marine breakers then made the run to the electrical panel.

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Are you saying your receptacles have built in breakers?
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I do not have a built in to the receptacles breakers. I have a breaker between the shore power receptacle and the breaker panel.

MM
 
Materials List:

Source Ebay:

4- Marinco 3030SSELB receptacles (averaged $75 each) $300 You only need two....I replaced the old ones so they would match. These receptacles can accept standard screw lock shore power collars or quick lock.

50'- 8/3 Triplex Marine Electrical cable $155.95


1- Intermatic WP1220 2 gang Weatherproof Box $16.73
2- Blue Sea 285 Surface Mount 30amp Breakers ($42 each) $84


On my boat, there is an opening behind the rear seating that gives access to the stern. It is a finished opening that was a great location to mount the weatherproof box containing the breakers. Why do you need breakers? Proper marine wiring requires a breaker with in 1 meter of the receptacles. It makes sense when you think about the load. You really don't want the wire burning through its insulation on its way through the engine room to your electrical panel. The breakers and box only added $100 to the material list.

The standard wiring for the factory SR receptacles is #10. Given the additional distance which was about 22', I increased the wire size to #8. You will also need six #8 crimp connectors to make the panel connections.

All in if you are just installing a set of receptacles on the stern is $400 (without the extra set of of stainless steel receptacles).

I did also buy two Blue Sea selector switches that I planned to install which would have enabled switching between the port side receptacles and the stern. I never installed them. As previously mentioned....I just have gotten so used to the stern connections I can't imagine a scenario where I would use the port side connections again. If I need to.....I can install the selector switches or just disconnect the stern receptacles and hook up the port receptacles.
 
PlayDate said:
I did also buy two Blue Sea selector switches that I planned to install which would have enabled switching between the port side receptacles and the stern. I never installed them. As previously mentioned....I just have gotten so used to the stern connections I can't imagine a scenario where I would use the port side connections again. If I need to.....I can install the selector switches or just disconnect the stern receptacles and hook up the port receptacles.
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Just to be clear, your port receptacles are disconnected as of now?

If both were connected without a switch you would have live terminals in the unused receptacles creating a shock hazard?

MM
 
MonacoMike said:
Just to be clear, your port receptacles are disconnected as of now?

If both were connected without a switch you would have live terminals in the unused receptacles creating a shock hazard?

MM
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That's right, only one set of receptacles can be attached to the panel. The wiring to the port receptacles is disconnected, the connector ends are capped and taped, the wire is coiled and labeled. At some point I may install the rotary switches but there is no need for them now.
 
PlayDate said:
That's right, only one set of receptacles can be attached to the panel. The wiring to the port receptacles is disconnected, the connector ends are capped and taped, the wire is coiled and labeled. At some point I may install the rotary switches but there is no need for them now.
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That is how I took it, but sometimes for novices that may read a thread later it is good to be explicit.

MM
 
PlayDate said:
Materials List:

Source Ebay:

4- Marinco 3030SSELB receptacles (averaged $75 each) $300 You only need two....I replaced the old ones so they would match. These receptacles can accept standard screw lock shore power collars or quick lock.

50'- 8/3 Triplex Marine Electrical cable $155.95


1- Intermatic WP1220 2 gang Weatherproof Box $16.73
2- Blue Sea 285 Surface Mount 30amp Breakers ($42 each) $84


On my boat, there is an opening behind the rear seating that gives access to the stern. It is a finished opening that was a great location to mount the weatherproof box containing the breakers. Why do you need breakers? Proper marine wiring requires a breaker with in 1 meter of the receptacles. It makes sense when you think about the load. You really don't want the wire burning through its insulation on its way through the engine room to your electrical panel. The breakers and box only added $100 to the material list.

The standard wiring for the factory SR receptacles is #10. Given the additional distance which was about 22', I increased the wire size to #8. You will also need six #8 crimp connectors to make the panel connections.

All in if you are just installing a set of receptacles on the stern is $400 (without the extra set of of stainless steel receptacles).

I did also buy two Blue Sea selector switches that I planned to install which would have enabled switching between the port side receptacles and the stern. I never installed them. As previously mentioned....I just have gotten so used to the stern connections I can't imagine a scenario where I would use the port side connections again. If I need to.....I can install the selector switches or just disconnect the stern receptacles and hook up the port receptacles.
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John, thanks again. I truly appreciate the info.
 
I most definitely will. By the way, what the heck is the 3rd receptacle for? It's labeled electronics, but everything on the boat is up and running....
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Mitch is right. Old school communication port for cable TV and landline phone. I have only seen the cable port used by liveaboards.
 
PlayDate said:
Mitch is right. Old school communication port for cable TV and landline phone. I have only seen the cable port used by liveaboards.
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In our marina many use it for cable and internet connection. Even my 270 had one. Can't go a weekend disconnected. LOL

MM
 
MonacoMike said:
In our marina many use it for cable and internet connection. Even my 270 had one. Can't go a weekend disconnected. LOL

MM
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No marina wide wi-fi?

Heck.....since we installed building wi-fi at our rental properties.....no one has asked for their own cable or internet service in 4 years. They just use their cellphones or our internet connection for their communication and content needs.
 
PlayDate said:
No marina wide wi-fi?

Heck.....since we installed building wi-fi at our rental properties.....no one has asked for their own cable or internet service in 4 years. They just use their cellphones or our internet connection for their communication and content needs.
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I cannot imagine the cost of marina-wide free wifi. The bandwidth would be enormous. We have 250 who weekend live-a-board on over a 1/2 mile of the harbor, with a stack of condos in the middle for good measure. The bandwidth for all that steaming TV, video, music, and games would be overwhelming and cost prohibitive, so the experts say.

MM
 
It just comes down to what is available in your area and if the marina is motivated.

Once upon a time a single t-3 (45mbps) could take care of an entire building. Now you have residential service that will do a Gigabyte per second. I can't imagine that your marina would need more than a gigabyte even if they had 500 boats using it.

The technology is available to manage the bandwidth. The reason we provide internet to our rental buildings was to make it easier for people to move in and move out. Having anyone of the cable companies show up and need access for a single tenant just doesn't make sense anymore. If you are willing to pay for your own separate connection which will run $100 per month....okay. Personally I would rather pay $25 a month to the marina for unlimited wi-fi. At that rate, the marina is making $2,500 a month just on a 100 boats. That's big money for a marina that more than pays for the repeaters, cabling, cameras and redundancy.

The best part is that our security cameras and electronic locks all ride the wi-fi at our buildings which is a benefit for us. The renters more than cover the cost of the internet and the associated equipment.
 
PlayDate said:
It just comes down to what is available in your area and if the marina is motivated.

Once upon a time a single t-3 (45mbps) could take care of an entire building. Now you have residential service that will do a Gigabyte per second. I can't imagine that your marina would need more than a gigabyte even if they had 500 boats using it.

The technology is available to manage the bandwidth. The reason we provide internet to our rental buildings was to make it easier for people to move in and move out. Having anyone of the cable companies show up and need access for a single tenant just doesn't make sense anymore. If you are willing to pay for your own separate connection which will run $100 per month....okay. Personally I would rather pay $25 a month to the marina for unlimited wi-fi. At that rate, the marina is making $2,500 a month just on a 100 boats. That's big money for a marina that more than pays for the repeaters, cabling, cameras and redundancy.

The best part is that our security cameras and electronic locks all ride the wi-fi at our buildings which is a benefit for us. The renters more than cover the cost of the internet and the associated equipment.
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Our marina is an unusual HOA entity and the board averages 70+. Half are owner occupied the others are rented out by owners that do not care and would freak out at fee increases even if told they could rent for more.

On the other hand the majority get by on mobile and its limits maintain a certain decorum, it is not easy to bring a TV outside to the common areas. LOL

MM
 
PlayDate said:
Glad to help. Don't forget to post pictures!
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Hey Playmate, hope you are still around! If I were to use the selector switches to be able to use either port or transom connection for the outlets, do you have a diagram for correct wiring? Boat will be uncovered by 1 April and I want to get this project done before launch. Thanks.
 
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