Remote Monitoring

Discussion in 'Reviews' started by SKybolt, Feb 17, 2021.

  1. bobeast

    bobeast Dance the Tide SILVER Sponsor

    Oct 22, 2017
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    2002 310DA
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    I had the MTC with the optional N2K dongle, and was very disappointed. It provides very limited data from N2K. I was never able to get the tank senders to show up properly. It basically felt like a kludge. I don't know if the new one with integrated N2K is any better, but I have some doubts because its the same software.

    @SKybolt I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around being able to use N2KView with the IPG100, without a license key. The manual doesn't make any mention of the ability to upload pages to the device. It reads like a simple N2K to Ethernet bridge.
     
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  2. b_arrington

    b_arrington Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 21, 2007
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    Cummins QSC 8.3 600
    Ah ha! I knew I wasn’t crazy about N2k on the MTC!

    It seems the the Pro 3 N2k integration is much better than the MTC. I read some articles that Actisense helped them build it, and also a number of boat builders are including the Siren in their builds and integrating the Pro 3 with their N2k networks for systems monitoring.
     
  3. SKybolt

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    I can't speak to the IPG100 manual as I have never read it, never really had too. Perhaps review the manual for the N2KView Mobile app. that's some 495 pages, I did read that one. But in short running N2KView locally on a PC will allow you to edit any screen and connect to an IPG100 to download the screen set configuration to the IPG100 and that's it, it will not allow you run as a licensed N2KView client. That requires a licensed N2K Server to achieve that.

    EDIT: Added the transfer SS of N2KView at the bottom, notice the "Connect for configuration transfer only" button in the lower right corner. And are from version 6.0.6 the newer version 6.0.14 may not work that way but there 6.3.0 beta version works great. But directly from the load/save screens and not from the connection screen. That version can be obtained from tech support.

    Settings screen on the N2K Mobile app on my Samsung Note:
    ss-1.jpg ss-2.jpg ss-3.jpg

    From PC N2KView:
    N2K-Transfer.png
     
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  4. SKybolt

    SKybolt Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Nice! - but like you, I can't find that dongle on their site? Maybe it's not offered any more? Or maybe you need the Actsense USB adapter?
     
  5. ocgrant

    ocgrant Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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  6. SKybolt

    SKybolt Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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  7. bobeast

    bobeast Dance the Tide SILVER Sponsor

    Oct 22, 2017
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    Gotcha. thanks for the additional context! I think what's happening, is that you are actually uploading the SS to the cloud, as opposed to the device itself. The device is just a means to get the data from N2K, which has its own connection to the cloud. That would also explain why you should be able to run a mobile app outside of your on-boat wifi and see both the data and the SS's
     
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  8. SKybolt

    SKybolt Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Not exactly, What is happening is I am talking to the device itself and does not have to be connected to the cloud at all to do so. The cloud is essentially a relay service for the most part, much like a DDNS service. Uploading and downloading is done to and from the IPG100 and not a cloud server holding the data.

    Not quite sure where your going with all this and why?

    EDIT: For clarification, I did try using a DDNS address and I still could not connect to it. I found their cloud service was the only way to get off the boat connections.
     
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  9. bobeast

    bobeast Dance the Tide SILVER Sponsor

    Oct 22, 2017
    Isleton, CA
    2002 310DA
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    Thanks again. Just trying to figure out which of the many options to go with. I have a Garmin 8612 which has their new OneHelm HTML integration. I know using the Maretron black box, I can stream directly to my Garmin, but am also looking for a way to simultaneously display data on N2kView mobile, without having to buy multiple licenses.

    I did some more poking around, and you're right, the IPG100, is indeed more than it first appears.
     
  10. SKybolt

    SKybolt Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Got it. So no need for any license and it will also support any PGN that is on the N2K bus, not just Maretron's. You just have to assign it in the screen your designing. The temp's being displayed on the pervious set of SS's are from the Yacht Devices temp probes.

    One thing to keep in mind is instance numbers. You would think (at least I did at first) that all temp probes are the same and report the same. Nope, there are temp locations as well. So all of the temps are set to instance 0 and have a location or type that defines the "instance". For example, you would need to set instance 0 and 1 if you had two engine room temp probes reporting on the same bus.
     
  11. firecadet613

    firecadet613 Well-Known Member

    May 10, 2007
    Indiana
    '07 V358
    T- VP 5.7GXi
    Very cool write up.

    Last year I went with a couple of Wyze cams, that pan/tilt/zoom, via a cellular wifi hotspot on board, to check in when I'm not onboard.

    This year I'm adding "Fox Marine Gateways", hooked to the N2k network, with more data available via bluetooth, to capture detailed engine data while underway.
     
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  12. ocgrant

    ocgrant Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Dec 31, 2006
    Miami / Ft Lauderdale
    H2O Therapy
    2006 Sundancer 48
    Novurania 460
    Yamaha EX-R
    Cummins QSC 540's
    So talked to Sire tech support and got info. They have one left and it goes for $399. I thought about it and called spoke with Andrew and while that would work to spend $400 for it to use on the older MTC does not make a lot of sense. The new Siren 3 alarm comes with N2K built in so it is not like I would need it if I upgrade this thing which will probably happen soon. He did tell me that they were going to expand on what the N2K can monitor and do real soon which makes sense as more stuff keeps coming out. So for now I am just going to install the MTC and get the boat all wired so it works as an alarm for now. Future upgrade to Siren 3 at some point.
     
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  13. SKybolt

    SKybolt Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Very nice Grant, thanks for the info. I am considering the Siren 3 Pro as an alarm system which is why I mentioned it in the first place. I fined their snap sensor to be intriguing. I am first going to try and adopt some of their sensors to the RIM100 or DCR100 and see if I can get anything to "alarm".
     
  14. SKybolt

    SKybolt Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Thanks. I like the Foscam cams because I have had good luck with them at home. They have outlasted others I have tried. Also with there app all the cams are in one place boat and all. I mounted the cockpit cam underneath the arch in the middle. Works great.
     
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  15. SKybolt

    SKybolt Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    So here is another part to the Maretron puzzle of devices. If you are using a Maretron display like the DSM410 you can define alarms that trigger on any NMEA 2000 parameter. The alarm sounder on that display is pretty much worthless, I think they did that on purpose. So you will need one of their other devices typically an ALM100 basically the size of a typical wall plate for a house light switch and is only a single instance. Setting alarms in the DSM410 allow you to set not only the priority of the alarm but also the instance of the sounder as well. Most people will only have one maybe two alarm sounders and pretty much set to the same instance. So that also means warnings as well as alarms will trigger the sounder.

    Bare with me, I know I am stating the obvious, but that also means if you set a warning for low fresh water it will trigger the sounder and the high water alarm will also trigger the same alarm. Crazy right? Maretron also has another device the DCR100. That device is a digital switching type of device that has 6 relays that can be used for digital switching, but also act as individual ALM100's, there is a config item that can be set to make a relay an alarm responder. That means you can have a blinking led/light for warnings and a sounder for alarms. And still have 4 more relays for digital switching or have six alarms all together.

    The reason I went through all of that is the ALM100 and the DCR100 cost that same amount. Except the DCR100 is far more useful. Currently Boe marine has the lowest price and just happens to be our sponsor as well. Thought I would give Jim a plug.
     
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  16. ocgrant

    ocgrant Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Dec 31, 2006
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    2006 Sundancer 48
    Novurania 460
    Yamaha EX-R
    Cummins QSC 540's
    So installed the MTC, set up account, paid the $$$... boots and gets GPS but no cell service. Got to call support Monday this this point. Already guessing I am going to be told need 4G in my area so probably going to have to upgrade to siren 3... not that I am complaining...I want the N2K anyway.
     
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  17. ocgrant

    ocgrant Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Dec 31, 2006
    Miami / Ft Lauderdale
    H2O Therapy
    2006 Sundancer 48
    Novurania 460
    Yamaha EX-R
    Cummins QSC 540's
    Talked to Andrew @ Siren Marine and in 10 minutes he reset my ESN that was inactive on my unit and my phone was blowing up with alerts. He walked me through the basic set up and Wa-La I am armed and working... Love it so far. Now I can finish adding my sensors and wiring in my bilge pumps. I have to say this is a pretty cool set up.

    Shout out to Andrew at Siren for the great customer service....
     
  18. SKybolt

    SKybolt Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Awesome Grant, post some pics when you get it all going the way you like it.
     
  19. bajturner

    bajturner Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    You guys are costing me a lot of money... :)
     
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  20. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    Ya lost me on this one....
    I have a pretty strict protocol on instance settings (it's bit me in the past); 0 is port engine, 1 is starboard engine, 2 is generator (J2K100). 3 and up are for other boat systems but still structured and I don't mix them up even if the PGN's are different. Instance 3, for example, is dedicated to the RIM100 that I use for the systems monitor. If I had two RIM100's then different instances would be required but then I would I would structurally assign it as a separate system. Redundant sensors might be a challenge but I'd have to configure to have multiple instances dedicated to a system. Regardless, this keeps my system design documentation simple.
     
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