Rittenhouse case

Stee6043 said:
Organized religion has killed more people than any other cause in the history of the world.

I'd argue it's more about the breakdown of the family. Tax daycares at 2,500%. Parents need to raise their children, not for-profit third parties...
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I'm not going to get in a religion argument, I gave my opinion, but you should check your facts. That's another myth pushed by the left over the years. In the 20th century secularism has destroyed more lives than any religion combined. 'Reference Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Castro'
 
OllieC said:
I'm not going to get in a religion argument, I gave my opinion, but you should check your facts. That's another myth pushed by the left over the years. In the 20th century secularism has destroyed more lives than any religion combined. 'Reference Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Castro'
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Below data is from a 3.6 second internet search, therefore must be true:

Deathtoll:
  • The Crusades: 6,000,000

  • Thirty Years War: 11,500,000

  • French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000

  • Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000

  • Lebanese Civil War: 250,000

  • Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000

  • Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000

  • Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000

  • Rwandan Genocide: 800,000

  • Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000

  • Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000

  • Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000

  • First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000

  • Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000

  • The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000

  • Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000

  • Iraq War: 500,000

  • US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000

  • Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000

  • Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000

  • AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000

  • Spanish Inquisition: 5,000

  • TOTAL: 195,035,000 deaths in the name of religion.
 
Stee6043 said:
Organized religion has killed more people than any other cause in the history of the world (EDIT: I can't properly site this...but have heard it repeated so many times now, even before the internet, that it must be true :)).

I'd argue it's more about the breakdown of the family. Tax daycares at 2,500%. Parents need to raise their children, not for-profit third parties...
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The breakdown of the nuclear family is a huge part of this. I saw a stat a few days ago, fewer than 18% of kids are raised in a nuclear family today. Crazy when you think about it.
 
I don't think it's about religion. Heck, I know more church-goers that are worse than those that don't go to church. But I think there is an indirect link. As you said, it's about the family environment and the household. If you are brought up to have respect for others then you are less likely to be a problem child. Families that have this 'core' do most things together, one of them being church. Same with going on vacations, out to eat, etc.
 
Stee6043 said:
Below data is from a 3.6 second internet search, therefore must be true:

Deathtoll:
  • The Crusades: 6,000,000

  • Thirty Years War: 11,500,000

  • French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000

  • Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000

  • Lebanese Civil War: 250,000

  • Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000

  • Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000

  • Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000

  • Rwandan Genocide: 800,000

  • Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000

  • Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000

  • Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000

  • First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000

  • Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000

  • The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000

  • Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000

  • Iraq War: 500,000

  • US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000

  • Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000

  • Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000

  • AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000

  • Spanish Inquisition: 5,000

  • TOTAL: 195,035,000 deaths in the name of religion.
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Damn... I thought you meant boredom :)
 
Stee6043 said:
You make us sound like the wild west up here!!! :):)

Under 18 can only possess a handgun under the direct supervision of an adult. They can't "own" a handgun because they can't get a license to purchase/transfer it. But they can surely use it...so long as supervised.

A silly MI law - you cannot get a purchase permit from the State if you're under 18 but an FFL is prohibited from selling handguns to anyone under 21. Sooo...18-21 and you have to buy private party only. Brilliant really.

I think the only exception to age limit this is hunting. Under 18 year olds can hunt on property where their parents live, with a handgun, unsupervised if they have the proper hunting license.

We're not that crazy!
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A parent can gift a gun to a minor or a minor can inherit a gun. Rules on possession and license is the key in both cases.

A bit more on possession...

750.234f Possession of firearm by person less than 18 years of age; exceptions; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
Sec. 234f.

(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), an individual less than 18 years of age shall not possess a firearm in public except under the direct supervision of an individual 18 years of age or older.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to an individual less than 18 years of age who possesses a firearm in accordance with part 401 (wildlife conservation) of the natural resources and environmental protection act, Act No. 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.40101 to 324.40119 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, or part 435 (hunting and fishing licensing) of Act No. 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.43501 to 324.43561 of the Michigan Compiled Laws. However, an individual less than 18 years of age may possess a firearm without a hunting license while at, or going to or from, a recognized target range or trap or skeet shooting ground if, while going to or from the range or ground, the firearm is enclosed and securely fastened in a case or locked in the trunk of a motor vehicle.
 
As Boatman said, it's not directly about religion as much as having a good family environment and moral values instilled into the children. This will develop respect for people, possessions and society. In the 24 hour, instant gratification on-line world that we live in, respect has been eliminated.
 
Re video games as cause for teen violence.

Let’s find the data. How many millennials and teens play hours of video games daily?

How many homicides are done by them?

My bet is there is no data that supports the premise that if I play violent video games the likelihood of my taking an AR to school or some mall increases measurably.

Now add that to Hollywood movies, news, war, poverty, drugs then I believe there is a desensitized effect happening.

There definitely is a relationship between drug dealing, gangs, and gun violence.
 
To all who question the nexus between violent video games and violent youth, I offer this...

Many years ago when I was a cop and the popular star was James Carradine who was doing all the kung-fu movies, when I would drive around town I could see kids all over town practicing their kung-fu kicks and take downs with each other.

No connection? Those kids were not playing baseball, shooting hoops or playing football. No connection? PSHAW!
 
Gofirstclass said:
To all who question the nexus between violent video games and violent youth, I offer this...

Many years ago when I was a cop and the popular star was James Carradine who was doing all the kung-fu movies, when I would drive around town I could see kids all over town practicing their kung-fu kicks and take downs with each other.

No connection? Those kids were not playing baseball, shooting hoops or playing football. No connection? PSHAW!
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Well that was back in the 1970's when everybody was Kung Fu Fighting. :)
 
Stee6043 said:
Below data is from a 3.6 second internet search, therefore must be true:

Deathtoll:
  • The Crusades: 6,000,000

  • Thirty Years War: 11,500,000

  • French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000

  • Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000

  • Lebanese Civil War: 250,000

  • Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000

  • Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000

  • Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000

  • Rwandan Genocide: 800,000

  • Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000

  • Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000

  • Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000

  • First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000

  • Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000

  • The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000

  • Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000

  • Iraq War: 500,000

  • US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000

  • Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000

  • Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000

  • AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000

  • Spanish Inquisition: 5,000

  • TOTAL: 195,035,000 deaths in the name of religion.
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French wars of religion - Yes, secularist revolutionaries wanted to destroy Christianity in France. This revolution inspired Lenin in later years.

Rwanda Genocide - The secular group MRND "National Republican Movement for Democracy and Development" committed that genocide.

Holocaust & Homosexuals - There was this secularist fascist guy named Hitler that caused that.

The Iraq War - We went to war with Iraq because of their religion or was it WMDs? Leftists told us it was for the oil. I'm confused.

AIDS deaths? Slave trade? US Western Expansion? really? I'm surprised witch hunting isn't on there. In my reply I was implying secularism as in secularist Governments.



Here's China alone in the 20th Century.
I. TRANSFORMATION AND THE NATIONALIST STRUGGLE, 1900 TO SEPTEMBER 1949.
2. 105,000 Victims: Dynastic and Republican China.
3. 632,000 Victims: Warlord China.
4. 2,724,000 Victims: The Nationalist Period.
5. 10,216,000 Victims: The Sino-Japanese War.
6. 3,949,000 Victims: Japanese Mass Murder in China.
7. 4,968,000 Victims: The Civil War.
II. THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
8. The People's Republic of China: Overview.
9. 8,427,000 Victims: The Totalization Period.
10.7,474,000 Victims: Collectivization and "The Great Leap Forward."
11. 10,729,000 Victims: The Great Famine and Retrenchment Period.
12. 7,731,000 Victims: The "Cultural Revolution."
13. 874,000 Victims: Liberalization.


20th Century Deaths
China = 57,829,000
Hitler = 20,000,000
Stalin = 40,000,000
Pol-Pot - 2,000,000
Castro - 100,000
total = 119,100,000
(that doesn't include Vietnam and other 20th century communist regimes including leaders after Stalin or N. Korea)

If we want to go back pre 20th Century, then you need to look no further than non-religious Warlord Gengis Khan with 66,000,000. You could mix in Attila the Hun somewhere as well.

Total 185,000,000 deaths directly attributed to secularist or non-religious. In one century 119,100,000 is still more than the 20 centuries you copied when you remove all the fluff.
 
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I know some people that blame everything on video games. I dunno, any normal kid can tell pretend from reality I think. Problem is there no shortage of real violence, decades of war in real time, all types of violence on the news, see their towns burn, little old ladies getting stomped on. If they're curious they can go online a watch someone beheaded...definitely no shortage of real violence. Then on top of it we throw at them all this race, gender, sexuality, alphabet people crap at them.

What a confusing time to be a kid. Thing is it's the grown ups doing this shit and the kids are soaking it all up...processing it as best they can anyway...some not so good.
 
boatman37 said:
I don't think it's about religion. Heck, I know more church-goers that are worse than those that don't go to church. But I think there is an indirect link. As you said, it's about the family environment and the household. If you are brought up to have respect for others then you are less likely to be a problem child. Families that have this 'core' do most things together, one of them being church. Same with going on vacations, out to eat, etc.
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I guess that was where I was trying to go with the original post. I've found that our religion has played a big part in that as well as a sense of community. I'm not pushing in any way shape or form. It was just an observation.
 
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Organized religion was the government before there was government. Separation of church and state was important. That is why it’s odd when religious beliefs become fundamental political platforms. It’s the exact polar opposite of separation of church and state. Fundamentalism is the cause of terrorism, bigotry and oppression for eons.

I think churches are killings themselves by not realizing that the populous is more educated and informed and they can’t stay in the dark ages and hope to inspire the next generation ( or this one). The Catholic Church is the worst of the lot. You can’t hope to attract normal people to the clergy and demand a life of celibacy. In the past I am sure the church was a “beard” for closeted guys (and girls) that couldn’t come out to their fundamentalist parents so they joined the clergy. And there is plenty of evidence about how that worked out.
 
firecadet613 said:
Where's there a 7 day delay? I remember a few years ago, a prior boss asked about getting a gun and was shocked she could just walk into a store, submit a 4473 and walk out with it minutes later...
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New Jersey I think.
 
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