SCOTUS reject Texas

[TimW]

... doctors that filled out death certificates and the CDC are against your opinion ...

NOPE
$$$$$$$$$$$

Doesn't matter WHAT killed you, if you test positive for Covid, even if asymptomatic, Covid killed you.

 

[Henry Boyd]

NOPE
$$$$$$$$$$$

Doesn't matter WHAT killed you, if you test positive for Covid, even if asymptomatic, Covid killed you.

Tim,
Falsifying an official government document (death certificate) is a crime.

Falsifying documents, or using fake documents, to support a false insurance claim ($$$$$$$$) is a crime.

The consequences of getting caught doing this:

if hospital administrators: jail time, job termination, blacklisting by insurance carriers, restitution of fraudulent monies and fines, etc

For doctors: All of the above plus, loss of medical license, exposure to malpractice litigation,

But then again the entire medical establishment and government agencies (medical examiners) that oversee death records is in on the conspiracy. On top of that the entire insurance industry, Medicare and Medicaid are not only paying out on false claims but have turned a blind eye to this.

Clearly you have never made a healthcare insurance claim to even think for a second the insurance industry would put up with it.

 

[Golfman25]

Nobody is falsifying anything (for the most part). However, this virus disproportionately kills the old and infirm -- people's who's likelihood of passing on this year was high even without the virus. Covid is obviously a contributing factor which may have expedited the inevitable. The problem is are we basing decisions on "deaths caused by covid" without the proper context?

 

[alnav]

 

[alnav]

Nobody is falsifying anything (for the most part). However, this virus disproportionately kills the old and infirm -- people's who's likelihood of passing on this year was high even without the virus. Covid is obviously a contributing factor which may have expedited the inevitable. The problem is are we basing decisions on "deaths caused by covid" without the proper context?

There is a methodology to place the deaths from disease or other events in context, Years of Potential Life Lost (YPLL). It estimates the average years a person would have lived if they had not died prematurely. This gives more weight to deaths that occur among younger people.
Here is an an analysis from back in early October:
More than 2.5 million person-years of life lost in US due to COVID-19
"Elledge has estimated that as of early October 2020, more than 2.5 million person-years of life have been lost due to the pandemic, in just the US alone.
This corresponds to an average loss of 13.25 person-years for each COVID-19-related death, he says.
This astounding cost will probably surprise many people, given the apparent public view that COVID-19 mainly affects elderly individuals and is of less concern to other age groups, writes Elledge.
In fact, the study showed that almost half of the potential years of life lost occurred among non-elderly populations."

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...years-of-life-lost-in-US-due-to-COVID-19.aspx

As in other covid metrics, the U.S. is a world leader in YPLL with rates 2X higher than Italy and 7 to 9 times as high as Germany based on a separate analysis.

 

[OllieC]

"More than 2.5 million person-years of life lost in US due to COVID-19"
I would agree. Suicides, Increased Drug and Alcohol Addictions, Homicides, Homelessness, because of Gov. policies which attributed to loss of jobs, loosing a small business and livelihoods destroyed. (for instance but not limited too) 100K Restaurants have permanently closed reported last week as an example......but screw those people, they're killing grandma.

 

[OllieC]

Did you all hear about the massive spike in covid cases because of Thanksgiving get-togethers?

 

[TimW]

Tim,
Falsifying an official government document (death certificate) is a crime.

Falsifying documents, or using fake documents, to support a false insurance claim ($$$$$$$$) is a crime.

Not suggesting anyone falsified anything.

Simply stating that "covid deaths" are counting anyone who has covid listed as a cause of death whether primary or as a contributing factor.


And if NOT the primary cause, then covid DIDN'T kill that person.

One example of the way Epidemiologists think that I read the other day went something like: you can die from both drinking to much AND heart failure. The drinking causes the heart failure and the heart failure kills you. NO, drinking too much killed you.

 

[TimW]

... Suicides, Increased Drug and Alcohol Addictions, Homicides, Homelessness, because of Gov. policies which attributed to loss of jobs, loosing a small business and livelihoods destroyed...

Unfortunately I believe you're correct.
The real cost in lives from the pandemic will never be known, but will be many times higher than the virus ever caused.

 

[Golfman25]

Did you all hear about the massive spike in covid cases because of Thanksgiving get-togethers?

IL went from about 11,000 case/day to about 8500 case/day since Thanksgiving. So there's that.

 

[OllieC]

IL went from about 11,000 case/day to about 8500 case/day since Thanksgiving. So there's that.

C'mon.... I'm sure if we scour the internet we can find some chart that says Thanksgiving has caused the deadliest outbreak.

 

[alnav]

 

[Golfman25]

C'mon.... I'm sure if we scour the internet we can find some chart that says Thanksgiving has caused the deadliest outbreak.

Actually, California. Those mothers are getting pummeled -- their cases have doubled since Thanksgiving.

 

[M Prod]

California went from 15k/day to over 35k/day in the past 2 weeks. LA is averaging 10k/day alone.

This is a FB post from my nurse friend in Los Angeles. She lived in a tent in her backyard through the summer because she didn't want to expose her family. Now she can't do that due to personal circumstances as noted here.

 

[alnav]

Since 1 Dec in the U.S., 7-day average new cases are up by 50K+/day, deaths are up by 1K+/day. Seems like something of a surge. The "summer surge" was marked by 35K and 700 death increases per day.

 

[TimW]

Actually, California. Those mothers are getting pummeled -- their cases have doubled since Thanksgiving.

Couldn’t happen to a better place.
Come on “Big One”

 

[Golfman25]

Since 1 Dec in the U.S., 7-day average new cases are up by 50K+/day, deaths are up by 1K+/day. Seems like something of a surge. The "summer surge" was marked by 35K and 700 death increases per day.

If the surge was caused by "Thanksgiving" we should see uniform surges among the states. IL is down. TX is high, but flatish. FL is flat. NY is getting pummeled. OH looks like it reversed a downtrend. GA is getting hit. PA is getting smashed. MI is down. WI is down. Etc. Etc.

Seems to me a virus is going to virus.

 

[Henry Boyd]

Nobody is falsifying anything (for the most part). However, this virus disproportionately kills the old and infirm -- people's who's likelihood of passing on this year was high even without the virus. Covid is obviously a contributing factor which may have expedited the inevitable. The problem is are we basing decisions on "deaths caused by covid" without the proper context?

Look if I get COVID I will likely die. My comorbidities: I’m almost 70. I’ve had cancer with chemo and radiation. Likewise I take medication for hypertension, and take immunosuppressant medication to prevent rejection of a transplanted organ. Yes, if I get COVID these will contribute to the severity of the disease. But, my conditions are highly unlikely to cause my demise in the short to mid term, and long term my doctors say it is likely I will live into my mid nineties as my parents did. If I get COVID and die as a result, the reason will be COVID, not that I survived cancer, or an organ transplant.

 

[OllieC]

Couldn’t happen to a better place.
Come on “Big One”

That's not cool.

 

[OllieC]

Seems to me a virus is going to virus.

MN been on limited lockdown for some time now. There was some easing over the Summer through November, but then restarted again. Schools have been closed for 9 months. Our illustrious Governor told us yesterday, "either MN opens the restaurants and bars or MN opens the schools". WTF?

Everywhere I've been, everyone wears masks and stands on those stupid 6' social distance circles because apparently people are too dumb to figure out 6'. You can't walk in any public place without one. So why are we having this resurgence of cases when most are doing as they're told and if these masks are working? (rhetorical)