Survey Suggested?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Half Off, Aug 2, 2007.

  1. Half Off

    Half Off Member

    432
    Jan 25, 2007
    Dubuque, IA
    2004 280 Sundancer
    4.3 Apha 1 Gen II's
    I am looking at trading my '06 240 DA in on an '04 280 DA. What are the opinions on doing a survey on a boat this new before making the deal?
     
  2. Asureyez

    Asureyez New Member

    Apr 22, 2007
    Ft. Lauderdale, Fl.
    Sea Ray 460 Sundancer Hardtop 2001 - SOLD
    Cummins 450 Diesels
    pre purchase survey's

    I would not buy a boat without a hull AND engine survey, period.
     
  3. Alex F

    Alex F Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2006
    East Coast
    2005 420DB with AB 11 DLX Tender, Raymarine Dual E120 MFD/Radar/XMWeather, ST7001 A/P, AIS, SeaLift
    T-Cummins 450Cs Straight-Drives, 9KW Onan Generator, 40HP Yamaha for tender.
    It all depends on the previouse owner. If you don't know his experiance level and how well he used and maintained the boat you'll always have a risk of finding an issue. On the other hand, it also depends a lot on your technical skills and if you can determine the technical condition of the boat and be comfortable about then, you may look in to skeep the survey. But, $300+ for $70K+ boat, just not worth the risk in my opinion.

    Alex.
     
  4. islandhopper00

    islandhopper00 Active Member

    Jan 4, 2007
    Lake Norman (Denver) NC
    240 Sundancer
    5.0L 260hp, BIII outdrive
    Must be a reason for getting rid of that 06 :smt017 , might be a reason for getting rid of the 04. :huh:
     
  5. Half Off

    Half Off Member

    432
    Jan 25, 2007
    Dubuque, IA
    2004 280 Sundancer
    4.3 Apha 1 Gen II's
    Dealer said previous owner of the 280 traded up. With as much time that my wife and I have spent on the 240, we are ready to go bigger. :thumbsup:
     
  6. islandhopper00

    islandhopper00 Active Member

    Jan 4, 2007
    Lake Norman (Denver) NC
    240 Sundancer
    5.0L 260hp, BIII outdrive
    I wasn't trying to imply anything. I looked at the 280's also, from what I can tell it seems like a good platform. I'm saying, if the owner was trading up to get away from something, maybe you'd catch it in a survey. I'm advocating a survey. My 2 cents.
     
  7. STIHLBOLTS

    STIHLBOLTS New Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 3, 2006
    Panama City Beach Fl/ South Ga
    2004 - 220 Sundeck
    5.0L w/Bravo 3 Drive
    The more complicated the boat systems the more experienced boat eyes would be the most help. A survey is just a good idea. Depending on the cost of the survey it is cheap insurance to make sure a 100k plus investment is not a bad one. :smt024
     
  8. gerryb

    gerryb Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 12, 2006
    Somers Point, NJ
    "On Vacation"
    2006 40 Sundancer
    Raymarine E125 & HD Radar + Garmin 5208
    QSB5.9 380 Cummins
    Having that boat I can say it is solid, but as stated, depends on the owner's care and maintenance. I know how important the surveys are but went ahead and bought mine in 2005 without a survey. Why? Well in a prior life, I was an apprentice mechanic for sevreal years, so I'm comfortable around engines and know what problems to look for on the 5.0. The boat had only 48 hours use and lastly, I was covered by a MFR. warranty for almost another year. If I was buying a boat without warranty, no doubt I would get the survey even if I knew the owner personally and could see maintenance records. Too much risk/money involved IMO.
     
  9. 180 Sport

    180 Sport New Member

    79
    Oct 17, 2006
    Tampa, Fl
    2005 180 Sport
    3.0 135 HP
    Gerry,

    You make a good point...I will be in the market for a 280 in the next 6-8 mos. I would plan on a survey, but if there is a Manuf warranty left on the engines and boat, is it stil neccessary??? I have seen some 2005's with the extended engine and passport warranties until 2011 or so....I know it depends on the boat history, but would these warranties be enough to skip the survey??? :huh:
     
  10. osd9

    osd9 New Member

    Oct 3, 2006
    MidAtlantic
    2003 410DA
    Caterpillar 3126-TA w/ ZF 80-IV
    Consider this. Even if a boat has warranties, you need to stop and think if you want to get involved with a boat that will be "in the shop" when what you bought the boat for is to be "on the water"....regardless of who is paying the bills.

    A survey of both the hull and engines will give you a better idea of what to expect.
     
  11. Turtlesboat

    Turtlesboat Minister of Media TECHNICAL Contributor

    Feb 4, 2007
    New York City
    1996 450DA, TNT, Caribe dink w/15hp OB.
    3126 427HP TD transmissions
    Say you buy a boat and you come to find it has a problem with one of the engines or transmission. you could be waiting for a couple of months before you get back in the water. summer is short, it would be nice to know this ahead of time. it's a boat, things break, a surveyor might be able to catch these things before you buy.
     
  12. osd9

    osd9 New Member

    Oct 3, 2006
    MidAtlantic
    2003 410DA
    Caterpillar 3126-TA w/ ZF 80-IV
    One more thought. Check with both your lender and your insurance companies. Either, or both, may require a survey.
     
  13. Half Off

    Half Off Member

    432
    Jan 25, 2007
    Dubuque, IA
    2004 280 Sundancer
    4.3 Apha 1 Gen II's
    Thanks for all the replies. You all pretty much reinforced what I was already thinking. A survey is cheap insurance for short term.
     
  14. Skip

    Skip Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2006
    Potomac River/Chesapeake Bay
    07 58 DB
    Truly Blessed IV
    900 HP V8 MANs
    2010 Nautica 12' RIB, 40HP Yamaha
    V8 900HP MANs, Twin Disc transmissions
    Due diligence prior to purchasing a used boat is absolutely essential. I have purchased three used Sea Rays in two years. The 420 survey was the most informatinve and educational time I spent during pre-purchase. I also got an invaluable education from the Cummins Tech who did my sea trail and oil analysis draws. CJ Martin will tell you, I suspect, that the survey he had done on the 320 I sold him was absolutely worthwhile as well. his surveyor found some voids in the foredeck and sole that SR repaired under warranty.

    Survey, survey, survey.

    regards
    Skip
     
  15. Bottom Line

    Bottom Line Active Member

    Oct 6, 2006
    Table Rock Lake(Branson MO)
    2003 360 Sundancer
    2002 Sea Doo GTI (sold)
    Twin Mercruiser 8.1L
    Westerbeke Generator
  16. Half Off

    Half Off Member

    432
    Jan 25, 2007
    Dubuque, IA
    2004 280 Sundancer
    4.3 Apha 1 Gen II's
    I did read that post earlier and thought the exact same thing. Thanks.
     

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