The future of EVs? Maybe not so bad?

jmauld said:
“At the same time, recycling batteries is not cheap, efficient, nor quick. That will change in time, but for now, there’s work to do.”

Remember when I said this movement was a jobs program.
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It is a redistribution of wealth program with the added benefit of making democrat politicians rich…
 
jmauld said:
I’m so glad that politics doesn’t control my life like this.
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Willful ignorance..

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MonacoMike said:
And more bad news the “pollution free” bullshit crowd will brush under the rug. The truth is EV’s are a pollution nightmare but they deny this all the time.

“The two main methods for recycling batteries involve either extreme temperatures or acid. Both processes generate emissions and create waste, which can end up in the environment.”
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and what, you don’t think ICE didn’t go through this already. Fact is recycling has been built around the ICE world so that junk yards have become recycling centers. Cars are built today with recycling in mind when selecting materials during manufacturing. We would still be stacking cars to the sky if the EPA hadn’t said “I don’t think so". It takes the problem to exist, and people to recognize it, to create the incentive for the free market to figure out how to make money off it. You crying about the environment is so hollow I can hear the ringing from here. What you have no concern over the daily uncontrolled pollution generated by ICE vehicles but you do have concern over a contained pollution generated at the end of life of an EV? Again the USA can be a leader or a follower.

Progress is a pollution nightmare until we learn to control it. Environmental impact mitigation always follows the progress.
 
I have a feeling that he would be okay if we were still driving slow and smelly carb’d cars.
 
unsalted said:
and what, you don’t think ICE didn’t go through this already. Fact is recycling has been built around the ICE world so that junk yards have become recycling centers. Cars are built today with recycling in mind when selecting materials during manufacturing. We would still be stacking cars to the sky if the EPA hadn’t said “I don’t think so". It takes the problem to exist, and people to recognize it, to create the incentive for the free market to figure out how to make money off it. You crying about the environment is so hollow I can hear the ringing from here. What you have no concern over the daily uncontrolled pollution generated by ICE vehicles but you do have concern over a contained pollution generated at the end of life of an EV? Again the USA can be a leader or a follower.

Progress is a pollution nightmare until we learn to control it. Environmental impact mitigation always follows the progress.
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You keep missing the part about how the EV is our environmental savior. But yeah, it's nice to see that some people are actually thinking of the negative consequences and how to deal with them.
 
Where’s that image of how they used to recommend disposing of used motor oil.
 
Interesting article about the market dynamics of EV adoption:
US Crosses the Electric-Car Tipping Point for Mass Adoption
"Once 5% of new-car sales go fully electric, everything changes — according to a Bloomberg analysis of the 19 countries that have made the EV pivot.
For the past six months, the US joined Europe and China — collectively the three largest car markets — in moving beyond the 5% tipping point. If the US follows the trend established by 18 countries that came before it, a quarter of new car sales could be electric by the end of 2025. That would be a year or two ahead of most major forecasts."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-09/us-electric-car-sales-reach-key-milestone
 
alnav said:
Interesting article about the market dynamics of EV adoption:
US Crosses the Electric-Car Tipping Point for Mass Adoption
"Once 5% of new-car sales go fully electric, everything changes — according to a Bloomberg analysis of the 19 countries that have made the EV pivot.
For the past six months, the US joined Europe and China — collectively the three largest car markets — in moving beyond the 5% tipping point. If the US follows the trend established by 18 countries that came before it, a quarter of new car sales could be electric by the end of 2025. That would be a year or two ahead of most major forecasts."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-09/us-electric-car-sales-reach-key-milestone
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Pull all the tax credits and see what happens....
 
firecadet613 said:
Pull all the tax credits and see what happens....
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Since the EV tax credit phases out for vehicles from manufacturers who sell EV's over a threshold (GM, Toyota and Tesla have already gotten there), not sure it would have that much impact. If mainstream demand explodes, as Bloomberg's analysis indicates it may, government will be able to stand back and let the market work.
 
randmhall said:
Popular Science, 1963...
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Give it thirty years, the same will be said about the covid vax...

alnav said:
Since the EV tax credit phases out for vehicles from manufacturers who sell EV's over a threshold (GM, Toyota and Tesla have already gotten there), not sure it would have that much impact. If mainstream demand explodes, as Bloomberg's analysis indicates it may, government will be able to stand back and let the market work.
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So many credits for chargers, etc as well. What happens when folks install solar to charge their EVs? How will .gov get their cut? You think they will let all the gas tax money just disappear?

Oh no, they are EVs and smart...you'll likely be charged a per mile surcharge and big brother will know your every move...
 
firecadet613 said:
Give it thirty years, the same will be said about the covid vax...



So many credits for chargers, etc as well. What happens when folks install solar to charge their EVs? How will .gov get their cut? You think they will let all the gas tax money just disappear?

Oh no, they are EVs and smart...you'll likely be charged a per mile surcharge and big brother will know your every move...
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Yea, where does that 18.4 cents per gallon (gasoline) and 24.3 cents per gallon (diesel) federal tax go? Does it go into the general fund? Ten or so years ago my BIL bought a Prius to do his part for the environment; they live in central Idaho. He is livid as the State has his annual automobile registration jacked way up to offset the revenue loss (gas tax) to maintain roads. He feels entitled that the roads should be his to use without cost.
No matter what one thinks the Fed is going to get their revenue and for EV's (once that gloss is rubbed off) It'll be tax on electricity, surcharge on tires, milage monitoring devices or something like a purchase tax..... I think in the end environmental benefits aside the federal revenue is destined to be higher than that on hydrocarbon fuels.
 
ttmott said:
Yea, where does that 18.4 cents per gallon (gasoline) and 24.3 cents per gallon (diesel) federal tax go? Does it go into the general fund? Ten or so years ago my BIL bought a Prius to do his part for the environment; they live in central Idaho. He is livid as the State has his annual automobile registration jacked way up to offset the revenue loss (gas tax) to maintain roads. He feels entitled that the roads should be his to use without cost.
No matter what one thinks the Fed is going to get their revenue and for EV's (once that gloss is rubbed off) It'll be tax on electricity, surcharge on tires, milage monitoring devices or something like a purchase tax..... I think in the end environmental benefits aside the federal revenue is destined to be higher than that on hydrocarbon fuels.
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Not to mention the fact that EVs are much heavier than ICE cars. More weight = damaged roads = more money needed to fix them.
 
ttmott said:
No matter what one thinks the Fed is going to get their revenue and for EV's (once that gloss is rubbed off) It'll be tax on electricity, surcharge on tires, milage monitoring devices or something like a purchase tax..... I think in the end environmental benefits aside the federal revenue is destined to be higher than that on hydrocarbon fuels.
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I like this statement because it also reflects the ‘insider trading’ our Government (Federal and State) does behind closed doors, while proposing laws that effect industries. Supposed green energy being one of them. Once that’s run it’s course, it’s on to the new government created fiat. We serfs get the scraps.

Anyway, I digress. EVs seem to be a fun novelty. I couldn’t use one unless I was planning on staying local and had a major career change.
 
OllieC said:
I like this statement because it also reflects the ‘insider trading’ our Government (Federal and State) does behind closed doors, while proposing laws that effect industries. Supposed green energy being one of them. Once that’s run it’s course, it’s on to the new government created fiat. We serfs get the scraps.

Anyway, I digress. EVs seem to be a fun novelty. I couldn’t use one unless I was planning on staying local and had a major career change.
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Pretty much anything goes when your goal is to save the world.;)
 
ttmott said:
Yea, where does that 18.4 cents per gallon (gasoline) and 24.3 cents per gallon (diesel) federal tax go? Does it go into the general fund? Ten or so years ago my BIL bought a Prius to do his part for the environment; they live in central Idaho. He is livid as the State has his annual automobile registration jacked way up to offset the revenue loss (gas tax) to maintain roads. He feels entitled that the roads should be his to use without cost.
No matter what one thinks the Fed is going to get their revenue and for EV's (once that gloss is rubbed off) It'll be tax on electricity, surcharge on tires, milage monitoring devices or something like a purchase tax..... I think in the end environmental benefits aside the federal revenue is destined to be higher than that on hydrocarbon fuels.
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For my state, I get charged $135/year for the privilege of driving an EV. That's more than I paid in gas tax revenue.

I have no problem with paying a mileage based tax, if that's what they end up with.

We need taxes to pay for our society. I'm not against paying them. Obviously to a point. But if i give up paying a gas tax, I'm okay with them recovering that money somewhere else.
 
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