The social breakdown is beginning

no, but with less citizens and car jackings they need to get their money from someplace and when the stores fightback they will look for easier pickings
 
It seems covid is the new Russia. Every imperfect thing is now going to be the fault of Covid.
 
Sorry to be the contrarian.

Why do I think the “armed” robber wasn’t really armed? Could it be because the first rule of defensive shooting training is that if the bad guy has the drop on you, drawing yours always ends badly for you?

I took an advanced defensive shooting course at Sig where we went through various force on force scenarios using simunitions. One of the scenarios was to show the futility of drawing against an assailant with a drawn gun. Everyone in the class “died”.

Finally, what kind of pistolero out draws a bad guy with a gun and then only hits the guy’s left hand?

My conclusion: a tie for this year’s Darwin awards.
 
"Whan I boud dis gun day no teech me how aim dis ting so I yus point it and pull trigger. I heet da guy, I tink on da han. He run but cops caught heem.
 
Sorry to be the contrarian.

Why do I think the “armed” robber wasn’t really armed? Could it be because the first rule of defensive shooting training is that if the bad guy has the drop on you, drawing yours always ends badly for you?

I took an advanced defensive shooting course at Sig where we went through various force on force scenarios using simunitions. One of the scenarios was to show the futility of drawing against an assailant with a drawn gun. Everyone in the class “died”.

Finally, what kind of pistolero out draws a bad guy with a gun and then only hits the guy’s left hand?

My conclusion: a tie for this year’s Darwin awards.
Seems very believable to me, I think most in this situation just wing it. As far as only hitting the robbers hand that sounds on par considering even the trained police miss entirely about 80% of the time under 21ft. You tube is full of this type situation. Here's one, a bit of a coincidence but the bad guy was hit in the hand.
 
Seems very believable to me, I think most in this situation just wing it. As far as only hitting the robbers hand that sounds on par considering even the trained police miss entirely about 80% of the time under 21ft. You tube is full of this type situation. Here's one, a bit of a coincidence but the bad guy was hit in the hand.

Not really the best choice of video. I've watched it a number of times and it seems to me the clerk had his gun out before the crook made his move. Lucky for the clerk, the crook was a crook, and not some customer reaching for his phone. Having your hands in your pockets is not a threat. And as far as I know, preemptively shooting someone is not self defense. But, it kind of still supports the premise that drawing on someone who already has a bead on you (or your hand) is always a losing proposition.

No matter, another pair Darwin candidates.
 
Seems very believable to me, I think most in this situation just wing it. As far as only hitting the robbers hand that sounds on par considering even the trained police miss entirely about 80% of the time under 21ft. You tube is full of this type situation. Here's one, a bit of a coincidence but the bad guy was hit in the hand.
No way I could have only fired on him once.
 
Not really the best choice of video. I've watched it a number of times and it seems to me the clerk had his gun out before the crook made his move. Lucky for the clerk, the crook was a crook, and not some customer reaching for his phone. Having your hands in your pockets is not a threat. And as far as I know, preemptively shooting someone is not self defense. But, it kind of still supports the premise that drawing on someone who already has a bead on you (or your hand) is always a losing proposition.

No matter, another pair Darwin candidates.
You’re kidding, right? Watch it again. The bad guy displays his firearm (specifically, he pulls his right hand out of his pocket and a handgun is clearly visible in his right hand) prior to the clerk showing that he is armed. The clerk was suspicious of the bad guy as he entered the store because the bad guy was concealing his right hand. Is concealing your right hand a threat? Yes, it potentially is a threat, obviously by the scenario that transpired. I was a police officer for a couple of decades, and would have seen the same potential threat. What if it was a cell phone? Well, then the clerk doesn’t have to draw his firearm; he can just put it back where he keeps it and no one is any worse off. Finally, the clerk did not preemptively shoot someone; he justifiably used deadly physical force when confronted by an individual threatening the imminent use of deadly physical force against him. This is justified all day long. I hope you never find yourself on a jury passing judgment on someone who used justifiable deadly physical force against another.
 
mnm, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the situation. Regular customers don't walk into a store with a gun in their hand. This guy in the video was there for the sole purpose of robbing the store.

Henry, I was not at all trying to be diplomatic. Not one tiny bit. I was simply trying to paint a picture (albeit a little fuzzy) of a stoopid bad guy who didn't know what he was doing, probably had not planned on how this robbery was going to go down, and had not considered the possibility that the clerk was going to be armed.

Had I been the clerk, I'd probably have emptied the magazine, reloaded and emptied another one. After all, this jerkoff with the gun would just as soon have killed me as rob me. It's not up to me to try to guess what his intent is. It's only up to me to make certain I go home at night.

Henry, think about this for a moment--that bad guy came to the store, armed with a handgun with the sole intent of robbing the store and possibly shooting the clerk if need be to facilitate the robbery. Nobody forced him to go to that store, nobody made him take a gun. Those were choices HE made and choices he'll likely have to live with for many years.

No sympathy here for the dummy with the handgun.
 

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