The "virus" What are your thoughts

Boat Guy said:
@spikedaddy99 - I don't know if your clarification was directed at me, but I understand what Pt zero means... I'm simply trying to clarify if @Bt Doctur meant this person or the first in the US. It's interesting you think that it might help to study this person and it makes sense. From what I've read, and I'm not convinced it's accurate, China claims to have discovered pt zero. I further read, and have not confirmed that the person was asymptomatic for over 30 days.

But, I have to ask you, with your studies, do you find it plausible that the virus came from an animal and jumped from animal to human transmission to human to human transmission immediately? Personally, with my training, I'm leaning way over to the side that this came out of the Bio Testing lab in Wuhan. It reminds me of when Iran claimed they didn't shoot down the plane despite overwhelming evidence.
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Plausible? I'd say really, really rare. Especially if there is a bio lab in Wuhan.
 
Boat Guy said:
Hey @DWABoat Thanks for the links...Personally, my concern level would be at a 1 on a scale of 20 regarding this facility handling the virus. Truth is, they probably already handle other biohazards now. I don't know if my words put your mind at ease, but frankly, I'd be more concerned about the undetected cases...Limit your exposure to others as much as possible.
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Okay, I am going on a rant...

I’m no scientist. Thus, I don’t carry the sense of hubris and outright arrogance many of the super-intellect members of society seem to have. (Of course this statement does not apply to all scientists. A very good friend of mine is a PhD microbiologist for NASA while another is a PhD chemist - neither are like this.)

However, in my opinion, the outright foolishness of intentionally importing a highly-contagious virus that has put half of the planet into a panic is beyond logic. The arrogance of believing a small group of people can control an accidental, or intentional, release of an infected animal is something I cannot fathom. The transport process in itself carries some risk. Unfortunately, I have no legal way to prevent this because their is no “home-rule” in these matters. I believe before something like this approved, the matter should be advertised and have Town Halls with the local community followed by a statewide vote. All this could be done in a week.

Why don’t the local scientist, who are so confident in their own skills, and believe the foreign scientists (who have a vested interest) can’t do this, educate the scientists in the affected areas? Are they saying Japanese scientists are unable to do this, even in consult with them? How about Korean scientists? All brilliant and talented people. Send the primates over there if they need them.

Containment means containment. Period.

I suspect somewhere, some administrator at the Tulane facility wanted his/her place to be “the one” to find the cure.

I support bringing home our infected citizens so US doctors can supervise their care. That is what we do for our fellow countrymen and women. As a member of the military, I would do a lot more for any citizen. However, that is completely different than bringing the virus here “for study.” WTF?!

Ok. I feel better getting that out.
 
@DWABoat - Haha...Feel better? Good...Respectfully, I understand your position. I think it is sound logic. But, I still would like to ease your mind that the likelihood of any containment breach out of this facility is about nil. But, the likelihood of community transmission in your state is much higher. So, while I understand "let the others sort this out" mentality, keep in mind this is what the Tulane facility is designed for. Perhaps they will be the ones to find, or assist, in finding a solution to this crisis.

@spikedaddy99 - Agreed...I hope the truth comes out. I don't know if this has been posted yet, but perhaps you'd like to read it.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3880475
 
Boat Guy said:
@DWABoat - Haha...Feel better? Good...Respectfully, I understand your position. I think it is sound logic. But, I still would like to ease your mind that the likelihood of any containment breach out of this facility is about nil. But, the likelihood of community transmission in your state is much higher. So, while I understand "let the others sort this out" mentality, keep in mind this is what the Tulane facility is designed for. Perhaps they will be the ones to find, or assist, in finding a solution to this crisis.

@spikedaddy99 - Agreed...I hope the truth comes out. I don't know if this has been posted yet, but perhaps you'd like to read it.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3880475
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Boat Guy,

Interesting article. Thanks. Supports my position. Humans...can’t live with ‘em, can’t live without ‘em!
 
It's interesting how Trump says the virus is no big deal here but had a fit over the EBOLA virus under Obama. But all the sudden he's speaking tonight about it because stocks are taking a serious hit...…..I hope it doesn't effect us here much, but if it does, god forbid, trump will not win re-election, that's what he's worried about all the sudden. Don't EVER think it couldn't spread here as well, NO way to tell......Let's hope not tho, I don't trust this administration for anything to do with this out break. The minute you think it's all BS, suddenly it isn't, god bless us and the USA!!!
 
Boat Guy said:
@DWABoat - Haha...Feel better? Good...Respectfully, I understand your position. I think it is sound logic. But, I still would like to ease your mind that the likelihood of any containment breach out of this facility is about nil. But, the likelihood of community transmission in your state is much higher. So, while I understand "let the others sort this out" mentality, keep in mind this is what the Tulane facility is designed for. Perhaps they will be the ones to find, or assist, in finding a solution to this crisis.

@spikedaddy99 - Agreed...I hope the truth comes out. I don't know if this has been posted yet, but perhaps you'd like to read it.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3880475
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Two escapes and one worker infected from the center.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.no...36d70ab4-d0a3-5ecf-bec3-7677844e0de1.amp.html

1998 escape https://www.chronicle.com/article/2-Dozen-Monkeys-Escape-From/5610

A little discrepancy in the dates of the escapes here, but the point is as long as humans are involved, mistakes will be made.

The first article is good reading for all of us to be cautious before criticizing the Chinese solely for having the bio-tech research center in Wuhan. We have plenty of them ourselves in populated areas. Now...the focus of the Chinese center is likely different, but will we ever really know the facts?

These centers transcend temporal politics and have survived generations of political waves.
 
@DWABoat - Good articles...and they did jog my memory of the incident. I don't want to put myself in a pos. to defend these sites, so we'll let the facts speak for themselves. Though, I do believe level 4 classified hazards are contained at a different standard.

Further, perhaps you can speak to this issue. But, according to the article, it seems development has been going on around the site and now people want to blame the site. In other words, it looks like the site was there before the growth and now people want to complain about the site.

I still maintain that the spread of COVID-19 is, by an order of magnitude, more likely to be spread by community transmission than any lab facility.
 
Seems a distinction needs to be pointed out between the circumstances surrounding the release of a pathogen, and how it's spread. If the release is from that site in Wuhan it's totally logical to complain about the site's existence. Why complain until there's something to complain about?

Of course, some of my friends seem to always have something to complain about, irrespective of whether it's warranted or not.

The silver lining for this virus, for me, is one of my long-shot investments has really taken off today. So while my portfolio is experiencing shrinkage, it's also expanding.
 
Anyone find it curious that an individual in the US contracted the Coronavirus "supposedly" without any contact from someone who was infected? I just heard that on the local news this morning.
 
OllieC said:
Anyone find it curious that an individual in the US contracted the Coronavirus "supposedly" without any contact from someone who was infected? I just heard that on the local news this morning.
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Yes, I heard that too.
 
OllieC said:
Anyone find it curious that an individual in the US contracted the Coronavirus "supposedly" without any contact from someone who was infected? I just heard that on the local news this morning.
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Why would this be curious? The latest thinking is that a person can be infected and contagious but not have symptoms or have mild cold symptoms. It follows logically that a person could have come in close, extended contact with a non-symptomatic infected person.

Also, the symptoms present themselves in a variety of ways. From the most recent reporting I've heard 80% of infected patients dont show serious symptoms, it seems like they have a cold or the flu. 20% may show serious symptoms, and there is currently a 2-3% fatality rate.

The "community" exposure referenced in the new California case may simply be that they were exposed to a non-symptomatic or mild symptom person rather than being directly exposed to someone who traveled to China.

The real challenge here is that (from my understanding) is that they are only testing people with direct travel exposure or direct exposure to a diagnosed person, not testing everyone who has a cold.

Please correct me if my understanding of any of these facts are inaccurate or out of date.
 
yobub said:
Why would this be curious? The latest thinking is that a person can be infected and contagious but not have symptoms or have mild cold symptoms. It follows logically that a person could have come in close, extended contact with a non-symptomatic infected person.
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I'm just going by what was reported. The claim is there was 'no' contact.
 
OllieC said:
I'm just going by what was reported. The claim is there was 'no' contact.
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I think the reporting was probably just careless. Probably no known contact or no known direct exposure.
OllieC said:
I'm just going by what was reported. The claim is there was 'no' contact.
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Probably just inaccurate or careless reporting. I have heard this recent California case described as community exposure rather than direct exposure.

Also, I just heard another interview with an expert which confirmed my statements above. He also added that, because testing is so limited, that there are actually many more people infected than are known, who will have cold symptoms for a couple days and get over it, so the death rate is actually much lower than the 2-3% currently thought. The reason is that the 2% is a % of people who get tested, but only those with known direct exposure or severe symptoms are getting tested, not everyone with cold symptoms.
 
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...us-patient-in-california-was-delayed-for-days

"We requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, since neither Sacramento County nor CDPH [California Department of Public Health] is doing testing for coronavirus at this time. Since the patient did not fit the existing CDC criteria for COVID-19, a test was not immediately administered. UC Davis Health does not control the testing process."
 
I would like to see the demographics of the infected peeps in the U.S. Age, Gender, Race, Smoker, and if they had any significant medical conditions before being infected.
 
If you've followed my posts in this thread I said I would not want to be in a foxhole with the leaders of DHHS, nor the CDC. They just are great at optics and talking points and love to discuss data, but when it gets down to it, I just don't know what to say....

They are not testing for the virus at all...Unless you came from China and /or direct contact. How irresponsible is this?

Then this gets reported? I wouldn't be surprised if it's true.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...-did-not-train-workers-caring-for-coronavirus

Once again, I'm not faulting this administration - IMO, this is inherent in the Dept. and it wouldn't have mattered who was in office.

I support Trumps efforts to lower the budgets of these Depts. and find good / qualified people that really care what they are doing.

You have no idea the waste and incompetence....
 
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