Well Californication has done pounded another nail in the coffin!

[highslice]

Men have run this country since it was founded maybe we should let the women run it and we all go boating and fishing. I don't think they could screw it up any more than it is now.

Uhhhh....have you seen the "Squad'? Talib, AOC et. al. will F@ck this country up faster than you can say communist. Not to mention Pocahontas.

 

[highslice]

I had a bunch friends long time. Racists. They refuse to associate with me. Wont return calls, invite me to their home. Cause i had the audacity to vote to put a black man in the White House. This country is beyond fkd up. Way beyond. I never in all my years seen anything like it. Old saying was United we stand, Divided we fall. I had 2 people in my department in Florida die this week from Covid cause they thought it implanted a govt tracking chip. These were smart IT people. Are you fkn kidding me. These people DIED from listening to Carlson and Ingraham. People are getting nuts and i for one am sick of the stupidity of it all. That fkn jackass running Texas banned vac mandates because people should have the right to do what they want with their bodies, then tells women the govt will control their pregnancies. WTF! These people are fkn nuts!! Why am i the only one that sees this.

Breath....Those people made their own choice to take the chance and they lost. Carlson and Ingraham didn't kill anyone. They aren't anti vaxers, they are anti mandate. Huge difference there.

 

[MonacoMike]

I had 2 people in my department in Florida die this week from Covid cause they thought it implanted a govt tracking chip. These were smart IT people. Are you fkn kidding me. These people DIED from listening to Carlson and Ingraham. People are getting nuts and i for one am sick of the stupidity of it all.

Please post your work here. I di not watch Tucker and Ingraham, but I do not believe they said "it implanted a govt tracking chip". If they said it it should be easily available to link to prove it.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

Sounds like the train to nowhere to me.

According to CNBC, the 800 mile "train to nowhere" cost $77B when voters were initially told it would be about $33B. By my calculations, that's $96,250,000 per mile. Almost 100 TIMES what Blueone was commenting about with the border wall panels. Wonder who "made out like a bandit" more.....

 

[JHornsby3]

I just read they just asked for more money for that damn trail.

Those border walls, at least the plans for the ones we were going to work on, were slick. The contractor I worked for in New Mexico put in for and won the bid for a section. I for one was more than excited to run a scraper 15' below grade. The plug was pulled before we got started. But they were pretty slick with the solar panels and all. I don't know about other sections but the plans I got to play with were cool.

 

[Iprof]

Uhhhh....have you seen the "Squad'? Talib, AOC et. al. will F@ck this country up faster than you can say communist. Not to mention Pocahontas.

Tell me how the men running this country in the say 100 years haven't f@cked it up? There are woman in the Republican party that can do a better job than almost 100% of the men. Your looking at one party only and figure they will win a majority.

 

[Creekwood]

Okay, get your history books out boys and girls and wrap it with simple math equation.

While often categorized as a democracy, the United States is more accurately defined as a constitutional federal republic. What does this mean? “Constitutional” refers to the fact that government in the United States is based on a Constitution which is the supreme law of the United States.

Or in othewords, law and order and the government works for the people. In a full democracy, the people work or wok for the government.

So ask yourself what world do you want to live in because this is the last piece of land on the plant that is or should I say... free.

Math time...
Equity is redistribution of your wealth. No choice and lose your boat.

Equality is everyone has an opportunity to succeed. Yes choice and keep your boat.

Let that sink in.

I agree with "almost" everything you are saying. But there is one part that is just wrong. It seems you have a hate for the term democracy. I think in the US its because the word shares most of its letters with "Democrat". Your statement: "In a full democracy, the people work or wok for the government." is just plain wrong. A democracy does not mean that at all. Its the exact opposite. Here is the real definition posted below (Wikipedia, but pick any legitimate dictionary or political science text book of your choice).

The US and all legitimate democracies, have systems whereby the people choose (by some form of election decided by majority) who is in government, and the government then determines laws, and "governs". And if they don't do their job, they don't get elected. That is the US, Canada, UK, Germany, etc etc.

I 100% agree on your differentiation between equity and equality, and that is why I cannot and never will vote Liberal (in Canada). I do believe that government's role is to make and enforce the laws that its citizens believe are reflective of the society they want to live in. And also to provide or govern centralized services that make sense to be central and coordinated (roads, power grids, utilities, law enforcment, fire departnments...)

But I don't believe that a government's role should ever be to enforce wealth sharing. That is communism.

I think your simplistic definition of equity vs equality is "spot on". I wouldn't use the boat analogy with any far lefty though.

Democracy (Greek: δημοκρατία, dēmokratiā, from dēmos 'people' and kratos 'rule'[1]) is a form of government in which the people have the authority to deliberate and decide legislation ("direct democracy"), or to choose governing officials to do so ("representative democracy"). Who is considered part of "the people" and how authority is shared among or delegated by the people has changed over time and at different rates in different countries, but over time more and more of a democratic country's inhabitants have generally been included. Cornerstones of democracy include freedom of speech, assembly and association, inclusiveness and equality, citizenship, consent of the governed, voting rights, freedom from unwarranted governmental deprivation of life and liberty, and minority rights.

The notion of democracy has evolved over time considerably. The original form of democracy was a direct democracy. The most common form of democracy today is a representative democracy, where the people elect government officials to govern on their behalf such as in a parliamentary or presidential democracy.[2]

Prevalent day-to-day decision making of democracies is the majority rule,[3][4] though other decision making approaches like supermajority and consensus have also been integral to democracies. They serve the crucial purpose of inclusiveness and broader legitimacy on sensitive issues—counterbalancing majoritarianism—and therefore mostly take precedence on a constitutional level. In the common variant of liberal democracy, the powers of the majority are exercised within the framework of a representative democracy, but the constitution limits the majority and protects the minority—usually through the enjoyment by all of certain individual rights, e.g. freedom of speech or freedom of association.[5][6]

The term appeared in the 5th century BC to denote the political systems then existing in Greek city-states, notably Classical Athens, to mean "rule of the people", in contrast to aristocracy (ἀριστοκρατία, aristokratía), meaning "rule of an elite".[7] Western democracy, as distinct from that which existed in antiquity, is generally considered to have originated in city-states such as those in Classical Athens and the Roman Republic, where various schemes and degrees of enfranchisement of the free male population were observed before the form disappeared in the West at the beginning of late antiquity. In virtually all democratic governments throughout ancient and modern history, democratic citizenship consisted of an elite class until full enfranchisement was won for all adult citizens in most modern democracies through the suffrage movements of the 19th and 20th centuries.

Democracy contrasts with forms of government where power is either held by an individual, as in autocratic systems like absolute monarchy, or where power is held by a small number of individuals, as in an oligarchy—oppositions inherited from ancient Greek philosophy.[8] Karl Popper defined democracy in contrast to dictatorship or tyranny, focusing on opportunities for the people to control their leaders and to oust them without the need for a revolution.[9]​

 

[MonacoMike]

It seems you have a hate for the term democracy. I think in the US its because the word shares most of its letters with "Democrat".

This is just a silly projection and supposition. People that are smart hate the word democracy for a few reasons, numero uno is it is a horrible form of government when 51% can vote to do anything to the 49%.

Second is it grates on the intelligent as the US is not a democracy and poorly educated dumbmasses have been taught it is.

 

[Creekwood]

This is just a silly projection and supposition. People that are smart hate the word democracy for a few reasons, numero uno is it is a horrible form of government when 51% can vote to do anything to the 49%.

Second is it grates on the intelligent as the US is not a democracy and poorly educated dumbmasses have been taught it is.

Well thanks for confirming you do hate the word, and for confirming you don't understand the democratic political system in any country other than the US. Every single democracy has a system of election of representatives that form the government. And very much like the US the geographical representation does not equate exactly to the population. Its not 51% can vote to do anything to the 49%. And like the US, in every other democracy, in the election of each individual representative, there is a vote that is decided by simple majority. Beyond that, yes there are differences in how the leader is selected (In Canada, a parliamentary democracy, its based on the winner of the most individual seats in Parliament in the Federal election).

And I do think the US system has its advantages and disadvantages. Its clearly not perfect or you would not have the division that you do that results in so much hate of your fellow Americans that represent roughly half of the population. But maybe that is less to do with the system, and more to do with the current batch of politicians.

 

[89P270]

the US should peel off CA, then they would morf into a 3rd world country.

And now to bring it all back to center - Boating. Mother nature - Ie Plate tectonics, will, of course, peel off CA. Oregon and Washington will likely become back Arc Basins (think Japan). In which case, we all will need a boat and the politics will be moot as we Morf into water world. Those with gills and those without. The good news, by that time, we'll have discovered water under the surface on Mars and Douglas Quad will be president because he saved us all by restarting the martian Oxygen generating machine.

 

[LG111]

Glad to hit a nerve, as long as we debate and it stays healthy. The problem today with word democracy is that the far left has abused the word and it's intent. They say the word but act with control... The pure form of it is good. But It's now used like a trojon horse...

 

[Golfman25]

And I do think the US system has its advantages and disadvantages. Its clearly not perfect or you would not have the division that you do that results in so much hate of your fellow Americans that represent roughly half of the population. But maybe that is less to do with the system, and more to do with the current batch of politicians.

You obviously don't understand the "division" we have in America. It's not about marginal political issues. This division you speak about has to do with the fundamental principles underlying our courntry and it's reason for existence. There are people, some elected to Congress for crying out loud, you don't believe in the founding principles of the USA. Things like Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, the Bill of Rights, etc. etc. They want to "fundamentally change" the country. If you have marxist, communist or socialist ideals, that's fine and dandy -- I probably won't be your friend as we have nothing in common. However, if you seek to apply those ideals to my country you become my enemy.

 

[RBB]

If you have marxist, communist or socialist ideals, that's fine and dandy -- I probably won't be your friend as we have nothing in common. However, if you seek to apply those ideals to my country you become my enemy.
Thats well said @Golfman25 , I totally agree with that. I have never understood why everyone wants to immigrate to US only to want to change it. The squad is a fruit case.

 

[Creekwood]

You obviously don't understand the "division" we have in America. It's not about marginal political issues. This division you speak about has to do with the fundamental principles underlying our courntry and it's reason for existence. There are people, some elected to Congress for crying out loud, you don't believe in the founding principles of the USA. Things like Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, the Bill of Rights, etc. etc. They want to "fundamentally change" the country. If you have marxist, communist or socialist ideals, that's fine and dandy -- I probably won't be your friend as we have nothing in common. However, if you seek to apply those ideals to my country you become my enemy.

I think that your politicians are trying to convince you that is is about fundamental issues. And they are lying to you all about that. You can chose to believe verbatim, or listen with skepticism and see through the inflammatory BS. From BOTH sides.

I think for the most part Americans all hold the same fundamental ideals. I do believe there are some in Congress (that were elected, by the way) that don't follow the founding principles of the USA. And again, that is on both sides. The support or downplaying for the attack on the Capital is one of them on one side, and most of the extreme left views of AOC and Sanders and Warren are the other side.

I do think that if AOC was somehow able to be in position of true power, she would try to amend the constitution. But I also saw that the Dems did not vote in her as their candidate. The one that won was the most centrist Democrat on the slate (at least that had the experience). The reason that happened is that Democrats for the most part are much less left than Trump or any of the GOP wants you to believe. I think if they ever picked a far lefty, there is not a chance that they would win enough states to lead the country. It just won't happen. Centrist Democrats (the majority) won't let it happen.

You live in a roughly 50/50 state. Maybe go talk to someone that voted for Biden. Not someone that thinks Bernie or Warren should be President. They are clearly in the minority. Talk to someone that was glad that Biden was chosen as their candidate INSTEAD of one of the far lefties. Talk rationally. I think you will find that 90% of what they want for America is the same. The differences are at the margins.

Any politician that espouses hate and division will ruin America, not make it Great Again. Democrats are not your enemy.

 

[Golfman25]

I think that your politicians are trying to convince you that is is about fundamental issues. And they are lying to you all about that. You can chose to believe verbatim, or listen with skepticism and see through the inflammatory BS. From BOTH sides.

I think for the most part Americans all hold the same fundamental ideals. I do believe there are some in Congress (that were elected, by the way) that don't follow the founding principles of the USA. And again, that is on both sides. The support or downplaying for the attack on the Capital is one of them on one side, and most of the extreme left views of AOC and Sanders and Warren are the other side.

I do think that if AOC was somehow able to be in position of true power, she would try to amend the constitution. But I also saw that the Dems did not vote in her as their candidate. The one that won was the most centrist Democrat on the slate (at least that had the experience). The reason that happened is that Democrats for the most part are much less left than Trump or any of the GOP wants you to believe. I think if they ever picked a far lefty, there is not a chance that they would win enough states to lead the country. It just won't happen. Centrist Democrats (the majority) won't let it happen.

You live in a roughly 50/50 state. Maybe go talk to someone that voted for Biden. Not someone that thinks Bernie or Warren should be President. They are clearly in the minority. Talk to someone that was glad that Biden was chosen as their candidate INSTEAD of one of the far lefties. Talk rationally. I think you will find that 90% of what they want for America is the same. The differences are at the margins.

Any politician that espouses hate and division will ruin America, not make it Great Again. Democrats are not your enemy.

Did they legalize weed up their? You go around saying we are divided and then say we aren't.

There are two issue. Politicians have zero incentive to "solve" political issues. They need them to run on (and that is from the horse's mouth). However, the other issue is the "fundamental change" to America -- those are Obama's words. It's code, for wanting to "socialize" the USA. Think about it. Why doesn America need "fundamental" change? Do we have issues, yes. But we don't need "fundamental change" to solve them. Nope.

And sorry charlie, the face of the Democrat party is AOC and her ilk. They are moving the whole party left. The Demcrats have a bill that will spend us into oblivian. Nothing centrist or moderate about it. Only 2, yes just 2 (Manchin and Sinema) have stood up and said no. So I ask -- where are all these centrist Democrats? If the Democrats where "centrist" a bill like that wouldn't see the light of day.

And I have no clue what you're talking about with regard to AOC and voting her in.

Furthermore, if you think I live in a 50/50 state you better take another look. Our state is the poster child for one party rule. The Republican party is extinct. Democrats hold supermajorities. As a result, the state is a giant cluster fk.

 

[MonacoMike]

Every single democracy has a system of election of representatives that form the government. And very much like the US the geographical representation does not equate exactly to the population. Its not 51% can vote to do anything to the 49%. And like the US, in every other democracy, in the election of each individual representative,

Then they are not democracies, they are some hybrid.

 

[MonacoMike]

And I do think the US system has its advantages and disadvantages. Its clearly not perfect or you would not have the division that you do that results in so much hate of your fellow Americans that represent roughly half of the population.

You obviously don't understand the "division" we have in America. It's not about marginal political issues. This division you speak about has to do with the fundamental principles underlying our courntry and it's reason for existence.

And there you have it. We have very little disagreement about simple issues, it is between Constitutionalists and Marxists...

 

[Creekwood]

And there you have it. We have very little disagreement about simple issues, it is between Constitutionalists and Marxists...

Well, you have again assumed all Democrats are Marxists. You are fueling the division. Go at it. You be you.

 

[Creekwood]

Then they are not democracies, they are some hybrid.

Did you ever take a political science course? Do you still have your civics textbook from high school? Please show me a definition of democracy that is such a narrow view. Not a meme. An actual source of legitimate knowledge.

 

[Iprof]

As you look at how the demographic is changing you see more voters in poverty category more voters in the minimum wage category. These voters are representing about 40% of the voters and the majority vote for the dems. This has been growing for years and this group will control the country sooner than we think then watch out.