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  1. #5161
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Annapolis
    Boat
    Sea Ray
    Details
    '05 280 Sundancer Raymarine e7D
    Engine(s)
    Twin 4.3's w/ A1's Kohler 5E
    Posts
    163

    Re: Official 280 Sundancer Thread

    Should fuel tank be full or empty for cold and freezing winter temp storage? Thanks in advance...
    Kevin

    2005 280 Sundancer

  2. #5162
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    N. Wisconsin/Lk Superior
    Boat
    SeaRay
    Details
    2005 420DA
    Engine(s)
    Cummins 6CTA8.3
    Posts
    4,836

    Re: Official 280 Sundancer Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by CliffA View Post
    I think the tow capacity of a Toyota Landcruiser is around 8,000 lbs........the dry weight of a 280 is probably more than that alone....then you add the weight of the trailer and the genny (if equipped) and all the fluids and the 'stuff' that we all put in our boats and i bet a fully loaded 280 on a trailer could hit 10 - 11,000 lbs......pretty simple math says the Landcruiser is not a suitable tow vehicle for this boat no matter the distance.......

    cliff
    With twins, fluids, and 'stuff', on the trailer it'll go over 13K. I pull mine on a triaxle, disc brakes on all axles, with a 2500HD. It's fully capable from a suspension, braking standpoint but I have the 6.0 and it's working hard in the hills, not enough grunt. The 2500HD diesel would be an excellent match for the 280DA in any conditions.
    2005 420DA 6CTA8.3 V-Drive, current boat
    2005 280DA T-5.0MPI, 260hp, B3
    2004 270SD 496HO, 425hp, B3
    2004 200BR 5.0MPI, 260hp, Alpha 1


  3. #5163
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
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    N. Wisconsin/Lk Superior
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    SeaRay
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    2005 420DA
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    Cummins 6CTA8.3
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    4,836

    Re: Official 280 Sundancer Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by LiL Nauti View Post
    Should fuel tank be full or empty for cold and freezing winter temp storage? Thanks in advance...
    I say fill it up, some folks say different.
    2005 420DA 6CTA8.3 V-Drive, current boat
    2005 280DA T-5.0MPI, 260hp, B3
    2004 270SD 496HO, 425hp, B3
    2004 200BR 5.0MPI, 260hp, Alpha 1


  4. #5164
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    PA
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    Various
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    Re: Official 280 Sundancer Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by LiL Nauti View Post
    Should fuel tank be full or empty for cold and freezing winter temp storage? Thanks in advance...
    Empty vs full can be debated. The big no-no is somewhere in between as that can cause condensation and subsequent water in the fuel.

    In a nutshell, here's the debate...

    -- The problem with full is that the gas sits for a certain length of time, possibly going bad. That can be solved with the use of a good stabilizer (which is a great idea to be using it year round, anyways.

    -- The problem with empty is that it's darn near "realistically" impossible to do that on a boat with a built-on tank. But, you get to start the new season with totally fresh gas.

    Me... I agree with Woody. Fill it (I do use Startron religiously) and don't look back. I have never emptied a built-in tank - that includes all the ones in my signature plus a whole bunch more that aren't listed. So far (knock on wood), I have never had a gas issue. The only tanks that I empty are the portable ones.... well, actually, I usually just dump them into something else to be used up.
    Dennis
    1999 260DA, 2000 215EC, 1998 210BR, 1999 190BR, 2000 180BR. And a few others...
    1982 Grady 241 Weekender/Offshore 250HP Yammie OX66 (stern drive modded to be OB)
    "Exceeding your expectations since 1936"

  5. #5165
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Chicago
    Boat
    Searay
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    2002 280da
    Engine(s)
    Twin 5.0mpi
    Posts
    110

    Re: Official 280 Sundancer Thread

    If you fill it when its cold and spring thaw starts, its going to start pushing out of the vent thus making a mess. And besides, why not just leave it empty (stabilizer run through motors of course) and just fill it with a brand new full tank of gas in the spring. That Condensation talk Is A Myth Anyways. http://www.yachtsurvey.com/myth_of_c...fuel_tanks.htm

  6. #5166
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Annapolis
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    Sea Ray
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    '05 280 Sundancer Raymarine e7D
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    Twin 4.3's w/ A1's Kohler 5E
    Posts
    163

    Re: Official 280 Sundancer Thread

    Thanks all for the fuel question, I filled it and always use an additive. Thanks again
    Kevin

    2005 280 Sundancer

  7. #5167
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    cape cod mass
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    sea ray
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    2006 sea ray 280
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    Twin 5.0's with B3's closed cooling with Kohler 5E
    Posts
    1,616

    Re: Official 280 Sundancer Thread

    [QUOTEThat Condensation talk Is A Myth Anyways.][/QUOTE]

    Couldn't agree more. Full. half , empty. Never see any water anywhere.

  8. #5168
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Wayzata, MN
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    Cobalt
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    1997 232 BR
    Engine(s)
    502 MAG, Bravo I
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    Re: Official 280 Sundancer Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisvr6 View Post
    If you fill it when its cold and spring thaw starts, its going to start pushing out of the vent thus making a mess. And besides, why not just leave it empty (stabilizer run through motors of course) and just fill it with a brand new full tank of gas in the spring. That Condensation talk Is A Myth Anyways. http://www.yachtsurvey.com/myth_of_c...fuel_tanks.htm
    Quote Originally Posted by scoflaw View Post
    Couldn't agree more. Full. half , empty. Never see any water anywhere.
    Quote Originally Posted by LiL Nauti View Post
    Thanks all for the fuel question, I filled it and always use an additive. Thanks again
    I will add my $0.02 for what it's worth. I agree...the risk of condensation is so minuscule that any you might get would be inconsequential. I end the season with whatever is in the tank on the day she goes to get winterized -- full, empty, half -- I never make a point to empty or fill it. If I did make a point, it would be to be empty so I had fresh fuel in the spring.
    Founder of BoatingSuite.com


    Previous Sea Rays:
    2008 280 Sundancer (496 MAG, BIII, Gen) - SOLD
    2008 240 Sundeck (350 MAG, BIII) - SOLD

  9. #5169
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    Re: Official 280 Sundancer Thread

    Guys, we can talk theory and mathematical calculations all we want, but it DOES happen. I've seen it. The reason some may say that they've never had a problem with it... well, there's a lot of variables that come into play with this. Probably more than I care to think of - but location being a big one. But most, if not all, of us also use water separating fuel filters and change them on a regular basis. Another thing is that a plastic tank is much less likely to experience this issue than an aluminum tank. So, while it's much less of a danger for those of us with smaller (and relatively newer) boats, there's no reason to believe that it can't happen with a plastic tank - just much less likely, or at least to a much smaller extent. Heck, there's been times that I've had a tank half full and had no problems, too. But in general, I like to play it safe. But I don't disagree that with a plastic tank the chances of it causing a "real" issue are slim.
    Last edited by Lazy Daze; 11-15-2016 at 05:50 PM.
    Dennis
    1999 260DA, 2000 215EC, 1998 210BR, 1999 190BR, 2000 180BR. And a few others...
    1982 Grady 241 Weekender/Offshore 250HP Yammie OX66 (stern drive modded to be OB)
    "Exceeding your expectations since 1936"

  10. #5170
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Location
    Long Island, NY
    Boat
    sea ray
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    2003 sea ray 280 sundancer
    Engine(s)
    4.3 mpi w/alpha 1
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    25

    Re: Official 280 Sundancer Thread

    hey guys. just bought a 280 but its missing the port deck vent that goes on the back. im not able to find these anywhere, please help.

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