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  1. #1
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    aluminum cans in ocean?

    I was on a friends boat and he threw all empty cans (beer,soda) over the side saying "they disintigrate within a few weeks and don't hurt anything" I did'nt say anything at the time but this has bothered me ever since. On my boat NOTHING other than food goes over the side, I bring all garbage to home port. Can anyone give me info on this as he is a resonable guy and if I can tell him he is wrong I'm sure he will "cease and desist".
    Katricol - 1997 450 sundancer cat 3126, tnt, 12' avon tender
    previous :
    1996 350 doral
    1992 270 sundancer
    26' thunderbird sloop snailboat

  2. #2
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    Oct 2006
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    Windsor Locks, CT / Milford, CT
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    2005 320 Sundancer
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    Twin 6.2 Mercruiser w/V-Drives
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    Re: aluminum cans in ocean?

    aluminum cans will last a LONG time in the ocean and throwing them overboard is absurd. On average, takes over 200 years for an aluminum can to decompose in the environment. They should be brought back to the dock to be recycled. Tell your friend that the proctologist called and that they found his head...

    If i saw him throwing them overboard, id make sure he got a visit from the marine police.
    Mike
    "Serenity Now!"
    2005 Sundancer 320 - Twin 6.2L V-Drives
    Previous Boat: 2003 240 Sundancer 5.0 B3

  3. #3
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    North GA Mountains
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    Re: aluminum cans in ocean?

    What size boat does your friend have. I thought you had to have a sticker about throwing garbage overboard on most?

    Previous Boat:
    2006 240 SunDeck, MS Judy, 350 MAG BR3
    North GA Mountains http://www.ssg-i.com

  4. #4
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    Re: aluminum cans in ocean?

    any technical replies? anybody know the metalergy? This guy will only respect,concede to a scientific type response. Frank W? some engineer?
    Katricol - 1997 450 sundancer cat 3126, tnt, 12' avon tender
    previous :
    1996 350 doral
    1992 270 sundancer
    26' thunderbird sloop snailboat

  5. #5
    Join Date
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    Re: aluminum cans in ocean?

    Sorrey, btw this guy does off shore fishing so most of this is done beyond 5+miles out
    Katricol - 1997 450 sundancer cat 3126, tnt, 12' avon tender
    previous :
    1996 350 doral
    1992 270 sundancer
    26' thunderbird sloop snailboat

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
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    Long Island, NY
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    2001 40 Sedan Bridge
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    Re: aluminum cans in ocean?

    Here is some info found using "the google"

    3. “Pocket Guide to Marine Debris,” The Ocean Conservancy, 2004*
    Paper towel - 2-4 weeks; Orange or banana peel- 2-5 weeks; Newspaper- 6 weeks; Apple core- 2 months ; Waxed milk carton- 3 months; Plywood- 1-3 years; Wool sock- 1-5 years; Cigarette filter- 1-50 years; Plastic Bag- 10-20 years; Plastic film canister- 20-30 years ; Nylon Fabric- 30-40 years; Leather- 50 years; Tin can- 50 years; Foamed plastic cup- 50 years; Rubber boat sole- 50-80 years; Foamed plastic buoy- 80 years; Aluminium can- 80-200 year ; Disposable diapers- 450 years; Plastic beverage bottles- 450 year; Plastic beverage bottles- 450 year; Monofilament fishing line- 600 years; Glass Bottle- 1,000,000 years.
    * Quoted in U.S National Park Service; Mote Marine Lab, FL and “Garbage In, Garbage Out,” Audobon Magazine, Spt/Oct 1998.

    http://www.thatdanny.com/2008/06/06/...-to-decompose/
    Paul
    Previous....
    2005 280DA T4.3
    2005 185 Sport 4.3 - Sport Tower
    1985 7' Plywood & Fiberglass (homemade)


  7. #7
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    Re: aluminum cans in ocean?

    Quote Originally Posted by katricol View Post
    I was on a friends boat and he threw all empty cans (beer,soda) over the side saying "they disintigrate within a few weeks and don't hurt anything" I did'nt say anything at the time but this has bothered me ever since. On my boat NOTHING other than food goes over the side, I bring all garbage to home port. Can anyone give me info on this as he is a resonable guy and if I can tell him he is wrong I'm sure he will "cease and desist".

    If you want to prove his point wrong - take a beer can put it into a crab trap for 1 month - then make him eat what remains....
    Paul
    Previous....
    2005 280DA T4.3
    2005 185 Sport 4.3 - Sport Tower
    1985 7' Plywood & Fiberglass (homemade)


  8. Re: aluminum cans in ocean?

    You know what? In the grand scheme, he's probably right - It really is a molecule on a gnat on a fly on an elephant's ass when you think about it.

    In the human mindset, 200 years is a long time. Heck, so is 50, or 20. 20 minutes is a long time for me if I'm running on a treadmill.

    But to an astronomical body that is 4.3 BILLION years old, 200 years is hardly a mouse fart. Also, considering that it has 70% of its surface covered in a corrosive substance, throwing one, ten, or a million aluminum cans (which came from the earth, and there is plenty of aluminum in the seabed and even the seawater) is probably not going to make a difference.

    All of that said, I could never see myself intentionally throwing garbage overboard for the same reason that I would bend over and pick up a piece of trash and throw it away if I were in a public place, like a shopping mall. I just am not of that mindset that let's garbage go where it may.

    Moral of the story is, if it bugs you that much, sit and think about the volume of that aluminum can and compare it with the boat you were on, and then compare it with the vastness of the ocean. If that still doesn't set it right for you, maybe don't go boating with that dude anymore.

    My $0.02.

    -T
    2008 330 Sundancer
    8.1 V-Drives
    5.0 Westerbeke
    Detroit Yacht Club and/or Tim's YC (AKA my dock at my house) Pompano Beach ICW, FL

  9. #9
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    Albany/Lake George NY
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    Re: aluminum cans in ocean?

    I never toss anything in any water anywhere...How long and how much trouble is it to put it away and throw it out when you get back?

    BTW...there was a guy who RINSED out his cereal bowl in Lake George a few years back...Rinsed it...
    Ticket and a 100.00 fine, he was anchored next to a patrol guy who was off duty.
    2006 Sea Ray 290 Sundancer

  10. Re: aluminum cans in ocean?

    Well that's just f'n ridiculous. That makes me want to go dump a box of cornflakes off my dock right now. A$$holes.
    2008 330 Sundancer
    8.1 V-Drives
    5.0 Westerbeke
    Detroit Yacht Club and/or Tim's YC (AKA my dock at my house) Pompano Beach ICW, FL

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