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  1. #1
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    98 Searay Sundancer 330
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    Is the battery charger the same as the AC converter?

    Apologies for the basic question...

    i recently acquired a 98 330DA. All of the batteries were baked so before replacing I am going to send in the C-Charger for servicing to ensure that it doesn't ruin the replacements.

    so my question...

    if i remove the charger do I need to turn off all of the DC items on the Boat (e.g. frig)??? I'm not sure if the boat has a true AC converter that will keep these items running while on shore power or if it just runs off of the batteries and the charger keeps the batteries charged

    i would appreciate any insight

  2. #2
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    S.W. Ohio
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    Silverton
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    Re: Is the battery charger the same as the AC converter?

    You are correct, turn all 12v stuff off. Remember your bilge pumps are wired direct, so if they tend to cycle every now and then, you may wind up with dead batteries without the charger.
    Silverton 330 Sport Bridge, Kohler 7.3KW gennie, 8'6" Zodiac 3.5merc
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    1989 Sea Ray 200 Bow Rider
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  3. #3
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    Dec 2008
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    Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
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    Sea Ray
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    340 Amberjack
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    twin 8.1S 370 Hp + 4.5 Westerbeke Genset
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    Re: Is the battery charger the same as the AC converter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mgrizer View Post
    Apologies for the basic question...

    i recently acquired a 98 330DA. All of the batteries were baked so before replacing I am going to send in the C-Charger for servicing to ensure that it doesn't ruin the replacements.

    so my question...

    if i remove the charger do I need to turn off all of the DC items on the Boat (e.g. frig)??? I'm not sure if the boat has a true AC converter that will keep these items running while on shore power or if it just runs off of the batteries and the charger keeps the batteries charged

    i would appreciate any insight
    The charging unit is also operating as the AC converter, so if the batteries are left connected and the charger disconnected there is nothing to provide DC power to anything on the boat other than your batteries. Simply remove the negative connections from all batteries which will prevent them from being discharged.
    Posted by Jim of "Island Rhythm"
    2001 Sea Ray 340 Amberjack
    LOA 38', approx 18,000 lbs & 13.5' Beam
    Straight Shaft Drives


  4. #4
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    Nov 2009
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    California
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    SeaRay
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    340 Dancer 1988
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    454 Merc BW V drives
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    Re: Is the battery charger the same as the AC converter?

    I suspect the boat is in the water. If the batteries are disconnected there is no bilge pump. I would feel more comfortable with a working bilge pump. Batteries can be recharged if not depleted for months on end. Just turn off all dc items and remove the charger.

    If the batteries get low then just hook up a cheap portable charger for 24 hours if your not running the engines.

  5. #5
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    98 Searay Sundancer 330
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    Re: Is the battery charger the same as the AC converter?

    Great info...

    Very much appreciated

  6. #6
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    Puget Sound Wa
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    1999 Sundancer 270DA SE Foss Landing & Marina Tacoma,WA
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    Re: Is the battery charger the same as the AC converter?

    Are you sure the cost of getting that charger is worth it you may want to look at a new charger rather than spending money on an older charger.
    Bob & Sue
    Puget Sound Wa

  7. #7
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    Re: Is the battery charger the same as the AC converter?

    Valid question...and one that i pondered

    i searched for the 80amp C-Chargers and saw that they ran from $1000-$1300. Charles Industries will do a complete rebuild for $330. I'm not sure of the warranty of the rebuild...but I figured that I could use the extra dough elsewhere (still many items on the to-do list)

  8. #8
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    Feb 2009
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    Coastal North Carolina
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    Sea Ray
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    370 EC 1994
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    Re: Is the battery charger the same as the AC converter?

    80 amp seems a bit much to me. I have a 370 with four batteries on three banks and I only have a 20 amp charger. I just replaced the original unit ('94 vintage 20 amp) with a new one from Pro Mariner (ProTech 1220i) at a Port Supply cost of $216.00 Works fine.
    Wasted Away II
    1994 370 EC 7.4 Mercs

  9. #9
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    Re: Is the battery charger the same as the AC converter?

    Technology has come a long way since the original charger was built I have dealt with both Charles and Promariners customer service unless you have a real need for 80 amps you should really consider a new charger over a rebuilt 14 year old charger. In my opinion after dealing with both companies Promariner will take care of any problem with no questions asked. I received great phone service from Charles but they are much harder to deal with after the purchase. I now have a spare Charles charger out of frustration waiting on them to return mine I purchased and installed the Promariner before I could even get an estimate for the return time on my Charles charger.
    Bob & Sue
    Puget Sound Wa

  10. #10
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    Annapolis, MD - Middle Chesapeake Bay
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    Re: Is the battery charger the same as the AC converter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob & Sue View Post
    Technology has come a long way since the original charger was built I have dealt with both Charles and Promariners customer service unless you have a real need for 80 amps you should really consider a new charger over a rebuilt 14 year old charger. In my opinion after dealing with both companies Promariner will take care of any problem with no questions asked. I received great phone service from Charles but they are much harder to deal with after the purchase. I now have a spare Charles charger out of frustration waiting on them to return mine I purchased and installed the Promariner before I could even get an estimate for the return time on my Charles charger.
    Ditto on Promariner... I've had a great experience with them and their customer service from start to finish. I had a progressive dyn 2030 (12v 30 amp) which came with the boat charging 4 group 27 batteries in 2 banks. They recommended bumping up to 40 amp (pronautic 1240p) since I was upgrading the charger anyway, and also moving to group 31 batteries. They had a ratio they used to justify the recommendation (they can tell you) mathmatically, but the short answer is how fast it can get the batteries back up to full strength.

    I also recently had a problem with the charger. They were top-notch to deal with, and were super quick in servcing the unit.

    James
    Last edited by JimFromMD; 11-01-2012 at 03:33 PM.



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