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  1. #1
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    Sep 2012
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    Lake st Clair
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    Sea ray
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    2000 410 EC
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    Cabinet delamination?

    So I bought a 2000 410 EC last fall and really haven't spent any time aboard her yet. But one thing that I have notices is in the cabin the cabinets have some delamination. It is mostly on the curved areas and its not to bad but of course will bothe the heck out of me. I'm not looking to spend tons of money having the cabinets delaminated, so I was wondering if anyone has made repairs to this before and am looking for some advice. Thanks!

    Richey Rich
    2000 Sea Ray 410 EC
    Mayea Marina, Lake Saint Clair

  2. #2
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    May 2010
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    1997 290 Sundancer, Generator, A/C
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    Re: Cabinet delamination?

    Take some pictures so we can see what's going on.

    Maybe some contact cement and strategically placed clamps can fix you up.

    Where are you at in Belle Maer? I'm g241.

  3. #3
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    2003 410DA, 2004 C14 Caribe
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    6,495

    Re: Cabinet delamination?

    They did have some issues with the Vitricore laminate on the tightly curved areas. I believe the only thing you can do is to purchase new material and have it re-laminated. It shouldn't be too expensive, especially if you find the material at FPMarine.com or somewhere such as that.

    Good luck!

  4. #4
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    Re: Cabinet delamination?

    I found some stuff called Nuba stik. It's basically contact cement and they claim to specifically help for delamination in sea ray boats.
    Ps. I just moved from M row to E365, maybe ill see ya around

    Richey Rich
    2000 Sea Ray 410 EC
    Mayea Marina, Lake Saint Clair

  5. #5
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    Washington DC
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    1994 370 Express Cruiser
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    Re: Cabinet delamination?

    The main issue is sorting out why the glue failed in the first place. The common problems for many of the boats we see is that the original glue released because of high interior temperatures or insufficient glue at the factory. A high moisture environment will also cause the the adhesion between the laminate and the substrate to pull either the surface of the laminate (wood grain image) from the clear polycarbonate sheet or pull the surface off the substrate.

    In either case, if it is not severe oftentimes it can be repaired in place. If the clear polycarbonate has separated from the image or there is mold (dark spots) behind the laminate...it has to be replaced.

    Any clear contact cement will work. As previously mentioned, Nuvastik is compatiable with the current generation of laminates and works great. We use it because it is compatible with the adhesive that Nuvacor puts on their laminate sheets.

    fpmarine does have some old Vitricor stock. We handle all the new stock which is constructed with a different manufacturing method to make it more durable than the Vitricor process. Vitrcor is out of business.

    Best,

    -John
    RestorationMarine.com

    ASE Master Mechanic

    1994 -370 Express Cruiser
    Washington, D.C.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
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    Re: Cabinet delamination?

    Here's my understanding of this problem, as told to me by some people very close to the problem.

    If your vitrecore is looking cloudy, it means the clear coating is peeling off the faux wood grain. That cannot be glued back down. If your entire laminate is peeling off the cabinets there may be some hope. Apparently the VOCs given off by the original adhesive recommended by Vitrecore exceeded SRs allowable factory amount, so a different adhesive had to be used, which, I believe was a water-based product. That product turned out to be the problem.

    What you need to properly replace this stuff is a sheet of Nuvicore, which is sort of "the next generation" made by a different company (Vitrecore is out of business, as John said above). A 4'x8' sheet of this stuff is around $400 and it's not simple to apply correctly.

    Mistercomputerman has had experience with this replacement process, but not sure if he did it on the rounded surfaces. You may want to ping him.


    _____Day Tripper_____

    Previous boats: 1988 Regal Sebring 19' cuddy; 2002 Crownline 262CR; 1989 Sea Ray 340DB




  7. #7
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    Re: Cabinet delamination?

    I had the same problem. If there are discolorations that look like screw/nail heads, you have moisture issues. My galley upper cabinet disintegrated. I had to rebuild it. It looks like crap, but right now, it's going to have to do. The tight curves are actually bent wood. It's an old technique I have not seen in years.

    You may want to take this time to upgrade the look, or make it entirely different than the rest of the cabinets. If not, you may be able to buy a veneer that is close to the original and a lot cheaper than the Nuvicore, sand it and lacquer it. What they used on mine was a picture of wood on 1 ply toilet paper thick paper that was a bear to sand off the pieces I could spare. That picture was covered in plastic. The underlying plywood was not treated/sealed well at all.

    My problem was thumbnail size when I bought the boat. It will grow like cancer over time. BTDT.

    Here is a link to a European boat that appears to have had the insides redone, unless the Euro boats are that much different than ours. What was done looks pretty straight forward.

    http://nautibarcos.com/sea-ray-sea-r...cer_15748.html#

    HTH.
    Last edited by dpmulvey; 03-25-2013 at 06:17 PM.
    Best Regards,
    David

    "Saint Max", '99 330 Dancer
    2007 6.2L Mercruiser Horizons; 1.5:1 Velvet V5000 "V" Drives

  8. #8
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    Re: Cabinet delamination?

    I looked at a 2000 EC in fall of 2011 when I was in the market and it had the same issue. I believe it was at Hideaway.

    I'm in N54...looks like you're right across from me.

  9. #9
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    Re: Cabinet delamination?

    So it appears that the laminate and the wood has come up together which seems like a good thing. I should be able to apply some contact glue and get it back down.
    Last edited by Richey rich; 03-31-2013 at 12:32 AM.

    Richey Rich
    2000 Sea Ray 410 EC
    Mayea Marina, Lake Saint Clair

  10. #10
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    Re: Cabinet delamination?

    If you have an open lifted up end to get the adhesive under, probably - yes. Be sure to clamp it down well until it's fully set. Don't put the clamp directly on the laminate. Use a piece of wood that's bigger than the separated piece. Not sure what type of adhesive is best though.


    _____Day Tripper_____

    Previous boats: 1988 Regal Sebring 19' cuddy; 2002 Crownline 262CR; 1989 Sea Ray 340DB




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