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    Shipping container logistics

    Which CSR member has experience in container logistics? Is it Henry?

    The company I work for is trying to get a container shipped to Guam. We are told that we need a marine survey before it can go. Is this the same surveyor that would do a boat?

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    Shipping container logistics

    As in the company already has the container? When I was in the moving industry we recommended matson but that was mainly to and from Hawaii. Could be a start however. Don't use Hanjin.


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    Re: Shipping container logistics

    Quote Originally Posted by BurgundyS24 View Post
    As in the company already has the container? When I was in the moving industry we recommended matson but that was mainly to and from Hawaii. Could be a start however. Don't use Hanjin.


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    Yes, we already have the container... we built a motor control center in it for a job in Guam.

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    Re: Shipping container logistics

    Yes, it is Henry Boyd.
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    Shipping container logistics

    Quote Originally Posted by JimG View Post
    Which CSR member has experience in container logistics? Is it Henry?

    The company I work for is trying to get a container shipped to Guam. We are told that we need a marine survey before it can go. Is this the same surveyor that would do a boat?
    Yes and no, mostly no. It's sort of like asking if any boat engine technician can work on Cat diesels. A tech who only has OB experience would probably not be qualified to evaluate diesels.

    Within container shipping there are basically two main disciplines, cargo surveyors and equipment condition surveyors.

    The former group is knowledgeable about specific cargo stowing techniques. The can also be called upon to verify the condition and quality of what was stowed. In other words they would confirm that eight pallets containing X number cartons of new electronic components were loaded in accordance with the Bill Of Lading. They would also provide an opinion that those pallets were properly secured within the container in accordance with RR and ocean carrier requirements.

    The latter group evaluates the condition of the container and whether it is structurally sound enough for the cargo, or that there are no defects that might cause cargo loss. They will also evaluate any previous repairs. So if somebody patched holes using duct tape, an equipment guy would flag that and reject the box. They also review the container with respect to the cargo requirements, e.g. If refrigerated, will machinery work and maintain set point though the voyage, or if the cargo is a food product does the container meet food shipment standards, likewise odor or excessive humidity within the container might be grounds for rejection.

    To get a better idea of the talent you need, you have to know who is asking for the survey and their intent, I.e. Is it the buyer who wants confirmation that the cargo loaded matches what he is buying, or is it the insurance company providing the freight coverage wanting to ensure the shipment isn't going to arrive DOA.

    Another big factor are the terms contained in the BOL. On ocean shipments the BOL defines when ownership is transferred and who is liable for the shipment.

    If this is something that is a one shot deal, or the first of many, I old strongly urge your company to hire a 3PL that has intermodal experience. International intermodal shipments are an entirely different game with different ground rules than domestic only intermodal. If you have hired a 3PL and they can't organize the proper survey, drop them immediately.

    Another reason for using a 3pl is if the cargo is going to a government, charity funded by US Aid, or military consignee. There you run into cargo preference rules. Keep in mind any carrier will contract your load, even if they don't meet the preferred carrier requirements. They see your adherence to a government PO as your business. Your Contracting Officer will not be so flexible. If you get caught in a protest by a preferential cargo carrier, you can kiss your delivery schedule goodby, and may even be socked with penalties, or have to pay the preferential carrier the difference between your carrier's rate and their published tariff. A knowledgable 3PL won't place you shipment with a non-conforming carrier.

    Using outsiders may get your existing logistics staff ticked off. But I'll tell you this past year alone I have worked on half a dozen lawsuits involving everything from fatalities, grievous bodily injury, multimillion dollar cargo loss, or property damage, and vessel, or crane damage. Each and every one has stemmed from shippers who loaded the cargo in the container using trucking industry procedures and practices. The economics are pretty simple, if you do not load a container properly and the cargo shifts during vessel loading and the box jams in the cell guides, you can expect a bill from the vessel operator at somewhere north of $ 200,000 for excessive dockage and demurrage fees. That is also assuming the ship isn't damaged. Or even worse the cargo shifts and causes a crane failure leading to the fatality of the operator. On both a moral and economic front I doubt you want to be on the receiving end of a wrongful death suit.

    Just some thoughts, if you need more help, send me a pm with an email address.

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    Shipping container logistics

    Jim,

    Sorry to have gone so far afield on the previous. The question is so basic that it suggested to me a level of inexperience that is much deeper that what type of surveyor to hire.

    Like I said, I'll be glad to help in anyway I can. I'm cutting back my consulting work these days, so I have plenty of time to take on a little job just for fun, regardless of whether it generates any revenue.

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    Re: Shipping container logistics

    And if you can accompany the container on its journey, Guam is worth seeing.

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    Re: Shipping container logistics

    Thanks for the info Henry... obviously this is our first container experience. We did do enough research to know that it should be loaded with equal weight distribution and that all contents be secured from movement. The container itself is in great shape... it looks new. We certainly were not aware of the liability that could be incurred due to loading issues. Is there any insurance that we should consider to protect ourselves?

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    Re: Shipping container logistics

    Quote Originally Posted by Billfletcher View Post
    And if you can accompany the container on its journey, Guam is worth seeing.
    Yea, it will probably be me making the trip early next year to commission the system once its installed.

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    Shipping container logistics

    Jim,

    I'll send you securing guidelines published by the AAR for the rail portion, and material on container stowing. It's the knowledge of "properly securing" that's the issue. For example FMCSA standards for highway securing are based on 0.5 g transverse acceleration/ decelerations. Transverse loads in marine mode run in the 2.0 g range with fore/aft and vertical being equally greater than highway.

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