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There are some apparent differences. I have no breakers labled anchor on the dc panel in the port cockpit locker nor in saloon main panel. In the anchor locker is a sealed relaybox and the two
foot switches. There has to be an overheat breaker some where but yet to find it.
The bow thruster has a breaker and fuse on the port stringer next to the batteries and solenoid on the forward engine room bulkhead in front of the port engine. Looking at the SeaRay schematic on page 12.40 the malfunction is likely either the solenoid...not sure how to test..or the main switch which does not have a part number on the schematic. Will update as progresses.
Do you not have the single pop out button in the middle at the top of the main breaker panel in the port cockpit labelled Windlass ? It’s not on either lh or rh bank of rockers but in the middle , see pics bearing in mind mine is 1996 user manual
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Thank you Pgeee! Yes it is there! I was looking for a rocker type breaker and the door trim blocked the word windlass. I only saw a button and figured it was the central breaker for the whole panel.
Thought it is important to know its location and hope I never need to use it.
Thank you again!
 
Anyone ever replaced the black molding/gasket around the three forward windshields? I have water leaking in and pooling around “dash” inside and marina quoted me a crazy amount to do it. Is it a super hard job to do?
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Hi Billy ray

I believe the black gasket is cosmetic only, the Caulking around the windows are the seal. I'm sure someone will chime in but I think this is true
 
Hi Billy ray

I believe the black gasket is cosmetic only, the Caulking around the windows are the seal. I'm sure someone will chime in but I think this is true

this is correct. You need to remove the black caulk and rebed the windshields to the frame - just like a car windshield. The black is for cosmetic only. It’s a very time consuming job - and a delicate one for someone who has never done it before. Drop one of those windshields and you’re done boating for a year. Find a local windshield repair place and have them remove and rebed them. It’s worth the cost.

there has been a lot of discussion in this thread on this topic. Search for “windshield” in this thread.
 
this is correct. You need to remove the black caulk and rebed the windshields to the frame - just like a car windshield. The black is for cosmetic only. It’s a very time consuming job - and a delicate one for someone who has never done it before. Drop one of those windshields and you’re done boating for a year. Find a local windshield repair place and have them remove and rebed them. It’s worth the cost.

there has been a lot of discussion in this thread on this topic. Search for “windshield” in this thread.

Well the funny thing is we had a huge hail storm come in and the size of them were as big as 3 inches for 5 minutes straight. We were on the boat in the marina when it hit. No rain in the storm just hail. 2 days later we had a all day rain and that’s when we noticed. Filed a claim because the canvas and electronics were blasted and needed to be replaced. Insurance denied the windows as “wear and tear”. Still currently fighting with them. Yet approved electronics and canvas.

Any suggestions would be great.
 
Well the funny thing is we had a huge hail storm come in and the size of them were as big as 3 inches for 5 minutes straight. We were on the boat in the marina when it hit. No rain in the storm just hail. 2 days later we had a all day rain and that’s when we noticed. Filed a claim because the canvas and electronics were blasted and needed to be replaced. Insurance denied the windows as “wear and tear”. Still currently fighting with them. Yet approved electronics and canvas.

Any suggestions would be great.
Chip, shatter, or crack?
Pre-existing leak evidence?
Was the condition existing before the hail/water event?
Surface weathering or degradation due to environmental conditions over time?

From a hail damage perspective, I can see their point in the case of the water leak unless the hail broke the actual glass.
From a rain / wind driven water perspective you may have a case (separate claim) as window seals are not "normal maintenance" and quite possibly a defect couldn't be detected until the rain event. Regardless, I would see this as a normal repair and not a claim; but, the information provided is incomplete and can't stand on anything other than a gross opinion. If my windows started leaking due to seal separation and wasn't detected until rain or sea states it wouldn't be an insurance claim for sure unless catestrophic (window was destroyed or blown out). Or, if I noticed pooling water and when inspected further found evidence of past leakage then I'd question claim validity.

I had a water leak in the solon and it was dripping from the valence at the aft of the area. It plagued me for months until we had a major rain event and I could really get into locating the source. It ended up being an exterior caulk joint above the front windows that had over time separated and allowed water to enter then run down the seam internally and drip out remotely. Insurance claim? Not in my opinion.
 
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I had a small water leak in our Salon also. It was coming in behind the vinyl trim below the windshield. It would run all the way around behind the trim to the port side of the dash. Turned out to be a failed caulk seal on the snap for the windshield screen. Might be worth checking or re-bedding those snaps right below the windshield unless you know otherwise.


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Chip, shatter, or crack?
Pre-existing leak evidence?
Was the condition existing before the hail/water event?
Surface weathering or degradation due to environmental conditions over time?

From a hail damage perspective, I can see their point in the case of the water leak unless the hail broke the actual glass.
From a rain / wind driven water perspective you may have a case (separate claim) as window seals are not "normal maintenance" and quite possibly a defect couldn't be detected until the rain event. Regardless, I would see this as a normal repair and not a claim; but, the information provided is incomplete and can't stand on anything other than a gross opinion. If my windows started leaking due to seal separation and wasn't detected until rain or sea states it wouldn't be an insurance claim for sure unless catestrophic (window was destroyed or blown out). Or, if I noticed pooling water and when inspected further found evidence of past leakage then I'd question claim validity.

I had a water leak in the solon and it was dripping from the valence at the aft of the area. It plagued me for months until we had a major rain event and I could really get into locating the source. It ended up being an exterior caulk joint above the front windows that had over time separated and allowed water to enter then run down the seam internally and drip out remotely. Insurance claim? Not in my opinion.

Purchased this boat June of 2021. Had the surveyor spend extra detail around forward windows as I’ve read on here and from other owners that if there is a high moisture reading then to stay away or plan on fixing. Original survey showed no signs of moisture and no evidence of leaks after water test. Purchased the boat and no problems until after this storm.

Day of the storm the bow of the boat points west in my slip and that is the direction the storm was coming from. Almost every boat that was parked for the day had damage and filed claims.
Insurance (travelers) sent out a local guy who’s reputation was unfavorable from my marina staff. I was on him like a shadow during his evaluation and kept mentioning the year of the boat (98) and that these types of things need to be updated and maintained over the life of the boat. He even asked me if the holes blown through my gps radar and tv antenna could even be from the hail because they were “pretty old” but still functional…. I pointed to the other boats in their slips with blue tarps duct taped to them and said “yes I’m sure all this damage was due to the hail” He pointed at the black gasket in some areas as it was popped and brittle and said “see you need to replace this every couple of years as it fails”
Which I replied that gasket is cosmetic and it’s the bedding of the windows and the shear force and velocity of the hail and wind did damage which is causing the leak.
Showed him the less than year old survey from purchase noting no moisture or leaks.
He still reported back to Travelers it’s west and tear and denial of that portion.
 
Purchased this boat June of 2021. Had the surveyor spend extra detail around forward windows as I’ve read on here and from other owners that if there is a high moisture reading then to stay away or plan on fixing. Original survey showed no signs of moisture and no evidence of leaks after water test. Purchased the boat and no problems until after this storm.

Day of the storm the bow of the boat points west in my slip and that is the direction the storm was coming from. Almost every boat that was parked for the day had damage and filed claims.
Insurance (travelers) sent out a local guy who’s reputation was unfavorable from my marina staff. I was on him like a shadow during his evaluation and kept mentioning the year of the boat (98) and that these types of things need to be updated and maintained over the life of the boat. He even asked me if the holes blown through my gps radar and tv antenna could even be from the hail because they were “pretty old” but still functional…. I pointed to the other boats in their slips with blue tarps duct taped to them and said “yes I’m sure all this damage was due to the hail” He pointed at the black gasket in some areas as it was popped and brittle and said “see you need to replace this every couple of years as it fails”
Which I replied that gasket is cosmetic and it’s the bedding of the windows and the shear force and velocity of the hail and wind did damage which is causing the leak.
Showed him the less than year old survey from purchase noting no moisture or leaks.
He still reported back to Travelers it’s west and tear and denial of that portion.
If it were me, the windshield leaking is not the hill I’d die on for an insurance claim. I’ve resealed the front windows on three 400DBs and it’s pretty easy although a bit laborious. Only cost was a tube of sealant and a couple hundred dollars for new trim (which you needed before the hail storm). I’ve posted the approach here before, but basically I pulled out the old trim, scrapped the existing sealant down far enough to expose the edge of the glass, resealed to cover the edge of the glass and about 1/8” up the top of the glass, then installed the new trim using sealant under and over the mitered corners to discourage them from shrinking and pulling apart over time.
 
A dock neighbor fixed his windschield leak injecting a mix of contact cement and acetone 60/40. Never heard of this before but sounds like a version of Captain Tellies leak repair. While I dont have alot of confidence in it, cant see much harm in trying. The idea is it penetrates then dries and seals.
 
Does anyone have an idea about max weight on the foredeck , I am lucky enough to have a crane so that's where the 2.4m inflatable lives, but just wondered how much bigger I could go, like a small centre console would come in at about 200kgs if I kept the Engine attached, so that's like the same weight as three average sized dudes on the foredeck at once
 
Sounds reasonable but where is the load concentrated? On a bulkhead or transferred down to the stringer? Any pics?
The current inflatable sits on a small rack right over the escape hatch. I keep it upside down as you can see, but ideally when I get a system sorted out with the rack , some chocks and the cover made rain pooling proof, it will be the other way up with the engine still attached. Then down the track upgrade to something larger if the deck can handle it. (as to the safety issue covering the hatch up, probably when on more than one night away it will be at the stern in the water overnight )
 

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Does anyone have an idea about max weight on the foredeck , I am lucky enough to have a crane so that's where the 2.4m inflatable lives, but just wondered how much bigger I could go, like a small centre console would come in at about 200kgs if I kept the Engine attached, so that's like the same weight as three average sized dudes on the foredeck at once

I would think you need an engineer to do any real number crunching. How much weight? Is it on a fixed mount in the center of the deck? Or is it distributed across the deck. A total weight rating and a lbs per footprint would likely be needed. I can not imagine anyone would sign off on how much weight the bow could hold.
 
I would think you need an engineer to do any real number crunching. How much weight? Is it on a fixed mount in the center of the deck? Or is it distributed across the deck. A total weight rating and a lbs per footprint would likely be needed. I can not imagine anyone would sign off on how much weight the bow could hold.

A baby 3m centre console inflatable will be about 85kg, and a suitable outboard about another 50kg. adding contingency for people standing on the deck next to it 200kg lets say. I would use foam or wooden chocks wider than the dinghy to spread the load , with probably the stern of the dinghy with engine as close as possible to the cabin windscreen as I figure the further away from the windscreen the less the strength, given it's just a cavernous cabin underneath.

That's fair on signoff, not looking for hand on heart, but perhaps someone has done it already on the forum, maybe with a jetski
 
A baby 3m centre console inflatable will be about 85kg, and a suitable outboard about another 50kg. adding contingency for people standing on the deck next to it 200kg lets say. I would use foam or wooden chocks wider than the dinghy to spread the load , with probably the stern of the dinghy with engine as close as possible to the cabin windscreen as I figure the further away from the windscreen the less the strength, given it's just a cavernous cabin underneath.

That's fair on signoff, not looking for hand on heart, but perhaps someone has done it already on the forum, maybe with a jetski
Only data I have is I had 8 women from a bachelorette party sunbathing on my bow. Probably about 1000 lbs spread over the whole bow. I’ve had four adult males standing very close in one spot. About 800 lbs in about a 4’x4’ area.
 
Maybe I am looking at it wrongly but isnt the issue more the weight on the base of the crane vs the weight spread over the deck? I have seen other Sea Rays set up the same just never a 400 DB.
 
Maybe I am looking at it wrongly but isnt the issue more the weight on the base of the crane vs the weight spread over the deck? I have seen other Sea Rays set up the same just never a 400 DB.
good point , the crane base goes through the deck via the wardrobe and is anchored somewhere in the bilge, the lateral stresses I would therefore be surprised if they are an issue, vertical stresses I probably should find how it sits at it's ultimate base. I am sure it's not a dumb enough instlalation to sit on the hull , but even on a stringer I need to consider it.
 

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