410 Sundancer/Express Cruiser and 400 Sundancer/Express Cruiser **Official Thread**

Mine is a bit random. 83% of the time there is no buzzer when starting my gen.
I think so-if I remember it may be the same buzzer that the systems monitor on the dash uses. Ours began intermittent then totally out. There is an electronic buzzer thing behind the dash panel-a good electronics store might have something to replace it. I just never got around to it.
 
Done deal. Yes, that’s reused shrink because I’m cheap

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Done deal. Yes, that’s reused shrink because I’m cheap

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I’ve thought the same. Just fear Jan 17th 22F is when it will let go and then what? Can’t be out there messing with it in snow! There’s a neighbor that has a 48/50DA and doesn’t shrink it. Cringe seeing it but he pockets that money every year towards other things!
 
I’ve thought the same. Just fear Jan 17th 22F is when it will let go and then what? Can’t be out there messing with it in snow! There’s a neighbor that has a 48/50DA and doesn’t shrink it. Cringe seeing it but he pockets that money every year towards other things!

It’s a risk for sure, it’s worked for a while for me though. I go to the yard once a week or so and it’s easy to check.

Our other benefit is being tucked between two large boats and shielded from the northwest wind.

What I really want is another fisher canvas…
 
Hey everyone, it has been awhile since I posted here. Took me over a year to get the oil link on my port engine sorted out. But with the help of some locals, and this thread I finally got her out of the slip. Took one trip to Anacapa, and then spent a few days in Avalon (hence the updated profile image which I have attached here). I know the obligatory Casino shot is not original but for me it is a milestone.

I got terrible mileage on that trip, and could not get the engines over 2700 rpm. Although they did achieve 2800 in the Sea Trial. The big difference I see is the big fat Dinghy I have mounted on the back of the swim platform. So my next outing will be made with a Takacat on the bow. Hopefully that will make s difference.

Aside from that pretty much everything on the boat is working properly. Took a long while to get to this point.
 

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Hey everyone, it has been awhile since I posted here. Took me over a year to get the oil link on my port engine sorted out. But with the help of some locals, and this thread I finally got her out of the slip. Took one trip to Anacapa, and then spent a few days in Avalon (hence the updated profile image which I have attached here). I know the obligatory Casino shot is not original but for me it is a milestone.

I got terrible mileage on that trip, and could not get the engines over 2700 rpm. Although they did achieve 2800 in the Sea Trial. The big difference I see is the big fat Dinghy I have mounted on the back of the swim platform. So my next outing will be made with a Takacat on the bow. Hopefully that will make s difference.

Aside from that pretty much everything on the boat is working properly. Took a long while to get to this point.

How bad was the mileage? You really should be propped to your normal load so with the dinghy on the back, you may need to drop a little pitch. A slightly fouled bottom can easily take 100 RPM, though.
 
Hey everyone, it has been awhile since I posted here. Took me over a year to get the oil link on my port engine sorted out. But with the help of some locals, and this thread I finally got her out of the slip. Took one trip to Anacapa, and then spent a few days in Avalon (hence the updated profile image which I have attached here). I know the obligatory Casino shot is not original but for me it is a milestone.

I got terrible mileage on that trip, and could not get the engines over 2700 rpm. Although they did achieve 2800 in the Sea Trial. The big difference I see is the big fat Dinghy I have mounted on the back of the swim platform. So my next outing will be made with a Takacat on the bow. Hopefully that will make s difference.

Aside from that pretty much everything on the boat is working properly. Took a long while to get to this point.

I'd be surprised if your dinghy is making a noticeable impact to your overall performance/mileage.


My numbers are marginally impacted by this 500lb rig on the back of my boat. How big a dinghy are you hauling back there?

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I'd be surprised if your dinghy is making a noticeable impact to your overall performance/mileage.


My numbers are marginally impacted by this 500lb rig on the back of my boat. How big a dinghy are you hauling back there?

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Wow, not that big! It is an Achilles 280 Rib with a 100lb outboard. The thing is I don't know how bad my mileage is yet as I have not refilled the tanks. I'll do a little math once I do. So there is a chance I am wrong, but the fact I couldn't get to 2,800 is a pretty big factor as well.
 
How bad was the mileage? You really should be propped to your normal load so with the dinghy on the back, you may need to drop a little pitch. A slightly fouled bottom can easily take 100 RPM, though.
Yeah my bottom is cleaned every month, but I was at the extreme end of that cycle. Although the diver told me that my bottom doesn't really get that dirty between cleanings.

I think I am going to have to take the boat out with no dinghy and hopefully right after being cleaned and do a more serious mpg test.
 
Yeah my bottom is cleaned every month, but I was at the extreme end of that cycle. Although the diver told me that my bottom doesn't really get that dirty between cleanings.

I think I am going to have to take the boat out with no dinghy and hopefully right after being cleaned and do a more serious mpg test.

Lots of good info here in this thread on our boats. I think you should be seeing right around 1-1.2mpg with your setup. I'm something closer to 0.7mpg with gas engines. But again, I don't think you're going to see your dinghy impact your economy. The amount of fuel you're carrying will have a far greater impact...
 
I did a quick google search a second ago before I hit "post reply" on my post above...the weight of water vs gasoline vs diesel.

Yet one more reason gas engines are vastly superior to diesel - our fuel weighs 1lb less per gallon! Not only are my engines half the weight, but I also carry 330lbs less fuel when my tanks are full!

:):) Totally kidding. I look forward to getting myself into a diesel boat someday. Maybe even this coming spring. But even if/when I do move to diesel you guys can count on me to show up to the bi-annual debate threads and defend gas :)
 
Lots of good info here in this thread on our boats. I think you should be seeing right around 1-1.2mpg with your setup. I'm something closer to 0.7mpg with gas engines. But again, I don't think you're going to see your dinghy impact your economy. The amount of fuel you're carrying will have a far greater impact...
Yeah, I got my expectation of 1 mpg from reading this thread. Frankly my assessment of my mileage on the Catalina trip is far from scientific so I probably should not put too much weight on it.

I filled my tanks before I left, so presumably that is 330ish gallons. The trip is 75 miles each way, but I did take a much longer route back (I went around the back of Catalina and passed right by Santa Barbara Island) which amounted to around 100 miles. So that is, let's say 180 miles. So that is only 55% of my fuel at 1 mpg. Yet both my tanks were reading below 1/4 when I pulled in to my slip. As mentioned I haven't filled them up yet to really calculate how much fuel I actually burned.

The other huge wild card is that ran the gen quite a bit while we were there for 4 days.

So, clearly I need to make a another journey and be a bit more meticulous with measurements.
 
Yeah, I got my expectation of 1 mpg from reading this thread. Frankly my assessment of my mileage on the Catalina trip is far from scientific so I probably should not put too much weight on it.

I filled my tanks before I left, so presumably that is 330ish gallons. The trip is 75 miles each way, but I did take a much longer route back (I went around the back of Catalina and passed right by Santa Barbara Island) which amounted to around 100 miles. So that is, let's say 180 miles. So that is only 55% of my fuel at 1 mpg. Yet both my tanks were reading below 1/4 when I pulled in to my slip. As mentioned I haven't filled them up yet to really calculate how much fuel I actually burned.

The other huge wild card is that ran the gen quite a bit while we were there for 4 days.

So, clearly I need to make a another journey and be a bit more meticulous with measurements.

Yeah, 250 gallons for 180 miles would seem a bit off for diesels. Fuel gauges can be a bit wonky too, of course.

I believe your gen should generally draw less than 1 gallon per hour under load. And its' only drawing from your starboard tank which is bigger than your port tank...
 
The margin of error of the fuel gauges is wider than the variables of fuel consumption (unless the vessel is actually on fire).

Don't give this another thought until your next fill-up!
 
The margin of error of the fuel gauges is wider than the variables of fuel consumption (unless the vessel is actually on fire).

Don't give this another thought until your next fill-up!

That’s for sure. Mine say full til seemingly 3/4 then they drop quickly.
 
So unfortunately my 2000 410 da didn't come with a factory anchor wash down. I'd like to run a fresh water line from the pump under the floor by the stateroom entryway to the anchor locker. Has anyone added this before? Any suggestions on the best route to take for running the water line? Looks like I can get a line underneath the fwd stateroom bed pretty easy but might be a bit tricky from there.
 
So unfortunately my 2000 410 da didn't come with a factory anchor wash down. I'd like to run a fresh water line from the pump under the floor by the stateroom entryway to the anchor locker. Has anyone added this before? Any suggestions on the best route to take for running the water line? Looks like I can get a line underneath the fwd stateroom bed pretty easy but might be a bit tricky from there.

The factory run goes down the port side all the way to the manifold at the transom. I might opt for that if I was doing this mod - I think you’ll find it tough to pop through into the anchor locker from inside the cabin.

Or, maybe run down the port side to the hanging Locker then down into the floor from there?the back panel in that locker comes out
 
Mine goes up the Starboard side. I think you could get it done but you would have to remove the various items in the hanging locker and fish it up with a tape. I would go with reinforce PVC water line.
 

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