420/44 DB Owners Club

[Bruce SEA 993]

Thanks for the Dry bilge info and links. There was one that used a couple of wire leads to sense the water.

I did find a 12V wired water sensor on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08WWXK2P...1WGERMKBX&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it&th=1

It will handle 10 Amps and the pump draws 2.7 Amps

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DLKT4O...WGERMKBX&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it

I really like the wall plate with the sponge! I am going to narrow it down and add the water sensor probe to it and get it down the 2 inch round hole in the center area.

I vacuum it out after it rains but when running, the water all will run to the aft end of that "bilge" and trip the sensor.

I may tee it to pump the bottom of the very aft open bilge at the same time.

I will drill a hole and stick a barb in the hatch drain to dump the water.

Cheers!

 

[Tenacious]

I am trying to source a new battery solenoid (specifically for the generator) which is located within the main disconnect enclosure located in engine room beneath the ladder. When I energize the main battery solenoids using the three switches on the main panel, port and starboard work fine and remain engaged/energized, but the one to energize the generator (center rocker switch on my main panel) does not stay engaged and I do not hear the usual "thunk" sound when energizing generator.

I went into disconnect enclosure box and tapped on the generator solenoid a bit hoping it was simply stuck but the magnetic switch does not seem to be working. I can press and hold down the generator solenoid energize control rocker switch on main panel and start the generator, but it does not stay engaged. This is the first time I've experienced this issue. Batteries were disconnected for winter and upon reconnecting the problem appeared - not to say one has anything to do with the other. Batteries are also fully charged.

Thoughts??? Has anyone ever sourced out a solenoid replacement and if so from where? Part number? I checked the 420DB parts manual and it does not appear. Thanks in advance for your help!

Update: Can anyone confirm this is the correct part?

Intellitec 200 amp "Big Boy" Battery disconnect/latching relay 12 Volt

 

[Tenacious]

Hi Tenacious: Reading through the threads I came upon your post above regarding your Ultra anchor. I am interested in purchasing one and when I entered my information into the Ultra anchor selection chart (28,500 weight/44ft length) the results show using a 27kg/60lb Ultra size. I see you have a similar hull and using the 21/46 size. I am curious as to why you selected the smaller size and how is it holding up? Any buyers remorse?

Good to hear from you. I contacted the dealer whom I met at the Newport boat show and he spec'd out the anchor size for my boat. Per OEM specs boat LOA is 45'5" at 28,500# but when boat is fully loaded with fuel, gear, etc., it's over 32,000. But you're right, I'm starting to question myself. I think I do have the 60#. I need to check what I have on the boat and will get back to you. As for the anchor, it's pretty much identical in size to the OEM Kodiak. Works very well with the OEM anchor roller and Project 1000 windlass on the boat. The polished stainless steel is nice eye candy and exceptionally durable. It is holding up very well - good as new. Not only does it look good but it works exceptionally well. I have great confidence when deploying which is often. I've never dragged or have broken free once but I also have 200' of chain. When I purchased the deal included a trade-in allowance against a new larger anchor in the event I purchased a larger boat. I recall paying somewhere around $2,200 at the time. I'm not sure what they go for today but I think money well spent.

 

[bajturner]

I am trying to source a new battery solenoid (specifically for the generator) which is located within the main disconnect enclosure located in engine room beneath the ladder.

Just curious...have you confirmed the operation of the momentary rocker switch in the main power distribution panel in the salon?

It is powered, likely through a fuse (I have not confirmed this in the schematics) so there are two things that can be confirmed: power to the switch, and proper operation if it is powered.

 

[ttmott]

I am trying to source a new battery solenoid (specifically for the generator) which is located within the main disconnect enclosure located in engine room beneath the ladder. When I energize the main battery solenoids using the three switches on the main panel, port and starboard work fine and remain engaged/energized, but the one to energize the generator (center rocker switch on my main panel) does not stay engaged and I do not hear the usual "thunk" sound when energizing generator.

I went into disconnect enclosure box and tapped on the generator solenoid a bit hoping it was simply stuck but the magnetic switch does not seem to be working. I can press and hold down the generator solenoid energize control rocker switch on main panel and start the generator, but it does not stay engaged. This is the first time I've experienced this issue. Batteries were disconnected for winter and upon reconnecting the problem appeared - not to say one has anything to do with the other. Batteries are also fully charged.

Thoughts??? Has anyone ever sourced out a solenoid replacement and if so from where? Part number? I checked the 420DB parts manual and it does not appear. Thanks in advance for your help!

Update: Can anyone confirm this is the correct part?

Intellitec 200 amp "Big Boy" Battery disconnect/latching relay 12 Volt

Those big Intellitec ones are for the main engines - there should be three (Port, Starboard which are latching and the middle is emergency start - non-latching). For the generator there should be a smaller solenoid in the back of the box. In this picture is the box for my boat which should be similar to yours. I have it apart to add a circuit for my davit but those two little solenoids in the top of the box are for the generator and for the windlass; they are latching. The red things are the fuses for the solenoid coils, lamps, and the switching circuits.

 

[Tenacious]

Just curious...have you confirmed the operation of the momentary rocker switch in the main power distribution panel in the salon?

It is powered, likely through a fuse (I have not confirmed this in the schematics) so there are two things that can be confirmed: power to the switch, and proper operation if it is powered.

Good point. That fact that when I hit the switch and hold hit, it lights up, therefore I conclude that's not the issue. Otherwise, I would not see the indicator light. Agree? I suppose I could take a neighboring switch and swap out to test this. Thank you.

 

[Tenacious]

Those big Intellitec ones are for the main engines - there should be three (Port, Starboard which are latching and the middle is emergency start - non-latching). For the generator there should be a smaller solenoid in the back of the box. In this picture is the box for my boat which should be similar to yours. I have it apart to add a circuit for my davit but those two little solenoids in the top of the box are for the generator and for the windlass; they are latching. The red things are the fuses for the solenoid coils, lamps, and the switching circuits.
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ttmott:

As always, great information. Thanks for the photo as well Yes, this looks like mine. The smaller solenoid's appear to have fuses as you indicate. I did not take note of this previously. I wonder if that is all it is. I found the larger "Big Boy" solenoid from Intellitect and was about to order one but will now rethink this. Do you know if the windlass and gen are identical? Thanks again for your assistance!

 

[bajturner]

Good point. That fact that when I hit the switch and hold hit, it lights up, therefore I conclude that's not the issue. Otherwise, I would not see the indicator light. Agree? I suppose I could take a neighboring switch and swap out to test this. Thank you.

I would think you are correct with that conclusion, but I don't know exactly how that circuit works.

 

[Tenacious]

Those big Intellitec ones are for the main engines - there should be three (Port, Starboard which are latching and the middle is emergency start - non-latching). For the generator there should be a smaller solenoid in the back of the box. In this picture is the box for my boat which should be similar to yours. I have it apart to add a circuit for my davit but those two little solenoids in the top of the box are for the generator and for the windlass; they are latching. The red things are the fuses for the solenoid coils, lamps, and the switching circuits.
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ttmott:

Based on the info you provided the following seems to be the correct part number:

Intellitec 01-00055-000 100amp Latching Relay
Sea Ray Part #: 644609
Remotely disconnects batteries for temporary or long term storage
Intellitec Part #: 01-00055-000

This the "Little Boy" vs. the "Big Boy". Price different is roughly $56 on Amazon vs. $285. What I failed to see were the two 5 amp fuses which could be the simple solution. Despite this, I ordered a new one to have with me when I head back to boat. I can always return.

Thanks again for your help. I will post outcome.

Best,

Brian

 

[ttmott]

ttmott:

Based on the info you provided the following seems to be the correct part number:

Intellitec 01-00055-000 100amp Latching Relay
Sea Ray Part #: 644609
Remotely disconnects batteries for temporary or long term storage
Intellitec Part #: 01-00055-000

This the "Little Boy" vs. the "Big Boy". Price different is roughly $56 on Amazon vs. $285. What I failed to see were the two 5 amp fuses which could be the simple solution. Despite this, I ordered a new one to have with me when I head back to boat. I can always return.

Thanks again for your help. I will post outcome.

Best,

Brian

Those latching relays are kinda cool how they work. There is a little bar inside that flips one direction when the coil is energized with battery positive on one of the coil poles. That little bar flips to hold the solenoid closed. Then to open up the solenoid the polarity is reversed on the coil and it flips the bar the other direction and allows the solenoid to open and stay open.
One of the little fuses on the battery side of the solenoid is for the momentary switches in the panel and in the solon breaker panel. The other fuse on the load side of the solenoid is for the lamp on the switches.

So, if when you press the switch to close the solenoid and you see the lamp on the switch come on then the solenoid is, in fact, closing. However, if when you release the switch and the lamp goes out then the latching mechanism isn't functioning properly. It may be something simple to fix by taking it apart.

On my boat both the generator and windlass are the same latching solenoid.

 

[Tenacious]

Now that I know what to specifically look for, this should be a snap. Thanks again!

 

[boaterholic]

ttmott:

Based on the info you provided the following seems to be the correct part number:

Intellitec 01-00055-000 100amp Latching Relay
Sea Ray Part #: 644609
Remotely disconnects batteries for temporary or long term storage
Intellitec Part #: 01-00055-000

This the "Little Boy" vs. the "Big Boy". Price different is roughly $56 on Amazon vs. $285. What I failed to see were the two 5 amp fuses which could be the simple solution. Despite this, I ordered a new one to have with me when I head back to boat. I can always return.

Thanks again for your help. I will post outcome.

Best,

Brian

while you're in there looking at your main dc box, could you look and see if there is a part number on the other solenoids for the engines and post it? I'm away for a week or I'd go look in my boat, and if you're able to post the info up I'll go ahead sand order a spare for engines and a spare for the gen.
Thank you!

 

[Alex F]

I am trying to source a new battery solenoid (specifically for the generator) which is located within the main disconnect enclosure located in engine room beneath the ladder. When I energize the main battery solenoids using the three switches on the main panel, port and starboard work fine and remain engaged/energized, but the one to energize the generator (center rocker switch on my main panel) does not stay engaged and I do not hear the usual "thunk" sound when energizing generator.

I went into disconnect enclosure box and tapped on the generator solenoid a bit hoping it was simply stuck but the magnetic switch does not seem to be working. I can press and hold down the generator solenoid energize control rocker switch on main panel and start the generator, but it does not stay engaged. This is the first time I've experienced this issue. Batteries were disconnected for winter and upon reconnecting the problem appeared - not to say one has anything to do with the other. Batteries are also fully charged.

Thoughts??? Has anyone ever sourced out a solenoid replacement and if so from where? Part number? I checked the 420DB parts manual and it does not appear. Thanks in advance for your help!

Update: Can anyone confirm this is the correct part?

Intellitec 200 amp "Big Boy" Battery disconnect/latching relay 12 Volt

Short answer, yes, it's the right part.

Here's a tip for you. In the same gray box, there's a emergency crossover solenoid, which does the same function as the others. I don't recall the specs on the one for the genny. But if it's close enough or the same, you can swap it with the emergency crossover one. If the problem you describe boils down to solenoid staying engaged only when you hold the switch down, this is how the emergency switch works anyway. So theoretically, by swapping those solenoids you shouldn't even loose the crossover function, as you'd press and hold the button for for the bower to stay on. In any case, this is something you'd need on a very rare occasion.

 

[AEO]

ttmott:

Based on the info you provided the following seems to be the correct part number:

Intellitec 01-00055-000 100amp Latching Relay
Sea Ray Part #: 644609
Remotely disconnects batteries for temporary or long term storage
Intellitec Part #: 01-00055-000

This the "Little Boy" vs. the "Big Boy". Price different is roughly $56 on Amazon vs. $285. What I failed to see were the two 5 amp fuses which could be the simple solution. Despite this, I ordered a new one to have with me when I head back to boat. I can always return.

Thanks again for your help. I will post outcome.

Best,

Brian

I did some research too as I'd like to carry a few spares on the boat also - Flounder Pounder Marine has some good info: https://fpmarine.com/search-results-page?q=intellitec

It appears the two 5amp fuses you mention are on the little boy (Sea Ray Part #: 644609 & Intellitec Part #: 01-00055-000). They are on the bottom in this picture - The solenoids are upside down in the box).



The Big Boys are another story - There is one that they use for the Thruster (Intellitec PN: 00-00507-712 & Sea Ray # 980219):

And another Big Boy that they use elsewhere (Intellitec PN: 77-90006-712):


Please correct me if I'm mistaken ..

Those Big Boys are not cheap by the way ...

 

[ttmott]

I did some research too as I'd like to carry a few spares on the boat also - Flounder Pounder Marine has some good info: https://fpmarine.com/search-results-page?q=intellitec

It appears the two 5amp fuses you mention are on the little boy (Sea Ray Part #: 644609 & Intellitec Part #: 01-00055-000). They are on the bottom in this picture - The solenoids are upside down in the box).
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The Big Boys are another story - There is one that they use for the Thruster (Intellitec PN: 00-00507-712 & Sea Ray # 980219):
View attachment 144242
And another Big Boy that they use elsewhere (Intellitec PN: 77-90006-712):
View attachment 144243

Please correct me if I'm mistaken ..

Those Big Boys are not cheap by the way ...

There are four of the "Big Boy" P/N 77-900006-12 solenoids (three in the MDP and one for the Bow Thruster). The engine Emergency Start solenoid is wired to not latch in the closed position. This is simply wired to only allow one polarity by using a SPST momentary switch at the helm. The "latch" capability is by using a DPDT momentary switch to reverse the coil polarity.
If, for some reason, you desired a spare then this P/N will work in all four positions. But, I would look at the Emergency Start one as the spare to get you home. It isn't a simple nor easy job to change any one of these. Remember also you have no engine room lights when working in the MDP.

There are two total "Little Boy" solenoids on my boat - both in the MDP - they are both wired using DPDT momentary switches and are for the Generator Main Battery Disconnect and the Windlass Main Battery Disconnect.

There is a third unused position for a "Little Boy" which is for the Gangplank option (I've never seen one but think is unique to the European models)

 

[JNMNL52]

Good to hear from you. I contacted the dealer whom I met at the Newport boat show and he spec'd out the anchor size for my boat. Per OEM specs boat LOA is 45'5" at 28,500# but when boat is fully loaded with fuel, gear, etc., it's over 32,000. But you're right, I'm starting to question myself. I think I do have the 60#. I need to check what I have on the boat and will get back to you. As for the anchor, it's pretty much identical in size to the OEM Kodiak. Works very well with the OEM anchor roller and Project 1000 windlass on the boat. The polished stainless steel is nice eye candy and exceptionally durable. It is holding up very well - good as new. Not only does it look good but it works exceptionally well. I have great confidence when deploying which is often. I've never dragged or have broken free once but I also have 200' of chain. When I purchased the deal included a trade-in allowance against a new larger anchor in the event I purchased a larger boat. I recall paying somewhere around $2,200 at the time. I'm not sure what they go for today but I think money well spent.

Thank you for the response. This is good to hear. I did purchase the 27/60 Ultra as I felt my gross weight was between 32,000-34,000 lbs. I also purchased the Ultra swivel and sprung for the ring as insurance as well. I installed it last week and it does look beautiful. It is a nice piece of jewelry for the boat. I hope to try it out this weekend. Thanks again!

!

 

[Tenacious]

Thank you for the response. This is good to hear. I did purchase the 27/60 Ultra as I felt my gross weight was between 32,000-34,000 lbs. I also purchased the Ultra swivel and sprung for the ring as insurance as well. I installed it last week and it does look beautiful. It is a nice piece of jewelry for the boat. I hope to try it out this weekend. Thanks again!View attachment 144261 !

This is exactly the one I have so I did error on the size previously. I also purchased the swivel (a must have). You will really like how well this plow anchor works. Provides incredibly confidence and security when on the hook over night. I also use an anchor alarm app on my iPhone which when set mentors positioning of boat via GPS. You stand on the bow and then activate entering the amount of scope/swing/length of boat and then just let it be. I keep the phone by the bed over night and if I stray, the alarm activates. Works great but you must allow for tidal and wind changes otherwise the thing will go off all night. Still, better than getting up every hour to make sure you're not dragging. You made a good decision. Good luck with it!

 

[Tenacious]

I did some research too as I'd like to carry a few spares on the boat also - Flounder Pounder Marine has some good info: https://fpmarine.com/search-results-page?q=intellitec

It appears the two 5amp fuses you mention are on the little boy (Sea Ray Part #: 644609 & Intellitec Part #: 01-00055-000). They are on the bottom in this picture - The solenoids are upside down in the box).
View attachment 144233
View attachment 144232

The Big Boys are another story - There is one that they use for the Thruster (Intellitec PN: 00-00507-712 & Sea Ray # 980219):
View attachment 144242
And another Big Boy that they use elsewhere (Intellitec PN: 77-90006-712):
View attachment 144243

Please correct me if I'm mistaken ..

Those Big Boys are not cheap by the way ...

You are right on with these parts and numbers. The big boys are a bit pricey for a spare ($285 and up depending on source) and in all the years I've owned the boat I've never had an issue. I am hoping all that's wrong is the 5 amp fuses on the little boy. At $57 keeping a spare little boy is not a big expense but again, I've never have one go bad. We shall soon see.

 

[craigswardmtb]

Does anyone successfully run with a 12' dinghy off of the stern of the boat? I'm wondering if it might be too wide where bouncing off pilings becomes an issue. Currently I run with a 10'6" achilles rib with 20hp short shaft Tohatsu in the fully upright position. I have about a foot it looks like and if I lower the motor, I'm thinking I could gain another 4-6 inches. So I'm right on the cusp of 12' being a good fit. Any experience with a larger dink on a 420 or 44db? I have been eyeing a rigged 12' aluminum Inmar in Hypalon with 25hp Suzuki.

 

[saopm]

I have a Highfield 340 (11’-2”) with 25hp engine. It seems to be a perfect fit, but I think a 360 (11’-11”) would fit too.