420/44 DB Owners Club

[AEO]

Not sure they matter other than the fact you can accidentally start from helm. Not likely but it could happen…heck I’ve accidentally laid on the horn. My rule is at anchor I leave the keys on in case I need to get out of dodge in a hurry. At the dock they are off.

Probably a good rule of thumb that I will follow too. The helm electronics are only powered when the FB start switches are selected so the keys appear to only enable the power.

It’s probably an anti theft thing as all the Batt switches can be accessed in the engine compartment

 

[AEO]

I wonder the same thing. I think it just powers up the helm items.

Curious, what does your accessory DC switch control on your STBD side?

Cheers!

Not sure about that ACC switch. I just turned it off and nothing happened … Then I turned it on again and still nothing happened …

 

[Bruce SEA 993]

Not sure about that ACC switch. I just turned it off and nothing happened … Then I turned it on again and still nothing happened …

Mine too...I am going to pull the panel and see if anything is hooked up to it. I will use it for a 12V cigar lighter outlet in the 2nd berth so I can plug my 120V/12V freezer in as it lives in there. That is assuming nothing is hooked to it...

 

[AEO]

Mine too...I am going to pull the panel and see if anything is hooked up to it. I will use it for a 12V cigar lighter outlet in the 2nd berth so I can plug my 120V/12V freezer in as it lives in there. That is assuming nothing is hooked to it...

I’m following !

 

[bajturner]

Not sure about that ACC switch. I just turned it off and nothing happened … Then I turned it on again and still nothing happened …

It is for the 12V socket in the media panel in the salon on my boat.

I have added a small inverter to that circuit, located in the cabinet below the media panel. It powers a TV, Apple TV, as well as a dual USB power socket that I replaced the 12V socket with.

 

[Bruce SEA 993]

It is for the 12V socket in the media panel in the salon on my boat.

I have added a small inverter to that circuit, located in the cabinet below the media panel. It powers a TV, Apple TV, as well as a dual USB power socket that I replaced the 12V socket with.

Is that a factory install or did a previous owner use an empty switch to wire in that outlet? Maybe Sea Ray had it there as they knew owners would want to add circuits. I will have to look and see if I have a 12V outlet at the media panel.

Thanks!

 

[bajturner]

Is that a factory install or did a previous owner use an empty switch to wire in that outlet? Maybe Sea Ray had it there as they knew owners would want to add circuits. I will have to look and see if I have a 12V outlet at the media panel.

Thanks!

12V lighter socket was factory so far as I know. I think I remember it being in the manual.

 

[Bruce SEA 993]

I was down at the boat this afternoon and the "Accessory" switch is blank. The one above it turns on/off the 12V socket in the cabinet in the salon. I will find a switch and put in in and use it for the freezer.

Anyone know the details on the switch?

Thanks!!

 

[bajturner]

I was down at the boat this afternoon and the "Accessory" switch is blank. The one above it turns on/off the 12V socket in the cabinet in the salon. I will find a switch and put in in and use it for the freezer.

Anyone know the details on the switch?

Thanks!!

I believe they are Carling rocker circuit breakers, A-series, F-type actuator. Here is a link to the datasheet:
https://www.carlingtech.com/sites/default/files/documents/A-Series_Details_&_COS_030314.pdf.

 

[Mark.60]

After adding gas to the galley fridge twice I finally replaced it. I went with the Nova Kool 9200 at 9.1 cubic ft it’s a lot bigger than the Norcold. Two Delfield compressors nice upgrade. Only complaint is latches are a bit cheap. There are door locks and magnetic gaskets so it will be fine. I would recommend Nova Kool if anyone is interested.

 

[Bruce SEA 993]

I had put a Nova Kool RFU 9000 in last July. I really like the fridge as well. It fits with just a little bit of clearance for the screw heads. The bigger part of the project is moving the electrical outlets outboard to clear the extra depth of the new fridge.

Easy job and the extra volume is nice.

 

[Bruce SEA 993]

I believe they are Carling rocker circuit breakers, A-series, F-type actuator. Here is a link to the datasheet:
https://www.carlingtech.com/sites/default/files/documents/A-Series_Details_&_COS_030314.pdf.

Thanks for the info...I found one on FP Marine. Really appreciate you sending this my way!

 

[jsed]

Quick question to the 420/440 Sedan Bridge group….are you pleased with the performance and handling of your boat? How does it handle rough seas/following seas/beam seas?
I’m in a 360 Sundancer now, and we have toyed with the idea of moving up. My past experience in an older 34 Silverton was that the convertible was like a bucking bronco in rough (even moderate) seas. Any feedback is appreciated. Thx.

 

[Irie308]

Quick question to the 420/440 Sedan Bridge group….are you pleased with the performance and handling of your boat? How does it handle rough seas/following seas/beam seas?
I’m in a 360 Sundancer now, and we have toyed with the idea of moving up. My past experience in an older 34 Silverton was that the convertible was like a bucking bronco in rough (even moderate) seas. Any feedback is appreciated. Thx.

Have been in many different conditions with this boat and zero complaints. I think paired with the 6 CTA or the QSC500's you have complete confidence knowing it will get you home. Stuck my nose out once in 8 footers. Had no business doing that. Boat could have handled it, i couldn't so turned right back around.

 

[NorCalRobert]

Quick question to the 420/440 Sedan Bridge group….are you pleased with the performance and handling of your boat? How does it handle rough seas/following seas/beam seas?
I’m in a 360 Sundancer now, and we have toyed with the idea of moving up. My past experience in an older 34 Silverton was that the convertible was like a bucking bronco in rough (even moderate) seas. Any feedback is appreciated. Thx.

Silverton boats rock a lot in any water as they are top heavy, just stepping from the dock onto a Silverton you will feel the boat start rocking much much more than our Sea Ray sedan. My former slip neighbor had a Silverton and I could not believe the difference in stability from mine to theirs

 

[Alex F]

Quick question to the 420/440 Sedan Bridge group….are you pleased with the performance and handling of your boat? How does it handle rough seas/following seas/beam seas?
I’m in a 360 Sundancer now, and we have toyed with the idea of moving up. My past experience in an older 34 Silverton was that the convertible was like a bucking bronco in rough (even moderate) seas. Any feedback is appreciated. Thx.

You just can't compare 34 Silverton to 420/44DB. Coming from 360DA will feel like going from 2br apartment to a 4br house. That's how we felt coming from 320DA over 12yrs ago.

As for handling, IMO it's very well balanced boat. Rough seas is all relative. She can handle a LOT more than you and your crew can. It comes down to your "weakest link", which in many cases turns out to be a tender and the way it's setup/secured on the platform. I've been in situations when seas got rough and much larger vessels were "hiding" behind me, riding my wake. If you have friends with 60'ers, she'll do fine in the same conditions they'll pick. She handles following seas well, just don't trawl in short 6'ers chop. Beam seas she'll take all day long, but to a reasonable limit.

I'm not sure what your expectation is, but short chop at 3-4'ers is a walk in the park for her. However, when we're moving up to 4-6'ers short chop, you can be in a 60'er and it'll still like bucking bronco. The key is matching the speed to ride them, not slamming into the waves. Pull her back to 15-16kts and she'll take you safely to a port without slamming.

Performance - most 45-60'ers diesel yachts are happy with 20-22kts cruise. This is usually a happy medium between fuel burn and the speed. 44DB with QSC500s will give you an extra 2-3 kts. If this is very important for you, spend extra $ and go for 44DB. With my fully mechanical 450s, I'm more interested in simplicity and reliability, in exchange for those couple knots. Give her clean fuel, oil and water and she'll run until you're out of fuel.

 

[AEO]

You just can't compare 34 Silverton to 420/44DB. Coming from 360DA will feel like going from 2br apartment to a 4br house. That's how we felt coming from 320DA over 12yrs ago.

As for handling, IMO it's very well balanced boat. Rough seas is all relative. She can handle a LOT more than you and your crew can. It comes down to your "weakest link", which in many cases turns out to be a tender and the way it's setup/secured on the platform. I've been in situations when seas got rough and much larger vessels were "hiding" behind me, riding my wake. If you have friends with 60'ers, she'll do fine in the same conditions they'll pick. She handles following seas well, just don't trawl in short 6'ers chop. Beam seas she'll take all day long, but to a reasonable limit.

I'm not sure what your expectation is, but short chop at 3-4'ers is a walk in the park for her. However, when we're moving up to 4-6'ers short chop, you can be in a 60'er and it'll still like bucking bronco. The key is matching the speed to ride them, not slamming into the waves. Pull her back to 15-16kts and she'll take you safely to a port without slamming.

Performance - most 45-60'ers diesel yachts are happy with 20-22kts cruise. This is usually a happy medium between fuel burn and the speed. 44DB with QSC500s will give you an extra 2-3 kts. If this is very important for you, spend extra $ and go for 44DB. With my fully mechanical 450s, I'm more interested in simplicity and reliability, in exchange for those couple knots. Give her clean fuel, oil and water and she'll run until you're out of fuel.

Some interesting info from the owners manual: 44DB max wave height = 13’ … Nice to know but no thanks !

 

[jsed]

Thanks for the great responses. Being on Lake Michigan, the conditions can be 2’-4’s coming out of the direction you are normally headed. From a ride standpoint at the helm, how would you rate the ride? How would your first mate and/or guests rate the ride as well?
As for performance, are you happy with the gph? I cannot find performance info online.
And regarding handling around the dock, do you feel you have good viability both fore and aft? For those with a dinghy on a lift, do you have good visibility aft?

 

[Alex F]

Some interesting info from the owners manual: 44DB max wave height = 13’ … Nice to know but no thanks !

That's exactly what I meant by saying that she's designed to handle much more than most crews can.

Thanks for the great responses. Being on Lake Michigan, the conditions can be 2’-4’s coming out of the direction you are normally headed. From a ride standpoint at the helm, how would you rate the ride? How would your first mate and/or guests rate the ride as well?
As for performance, are you happy with the gph? I cannot find performance info online.
And regarding handling around the dock, do you feel you have good viability both fore and aft? For those with a dinghy on a lift, do you have good visibility aft?

I understand what you're trying to find out, but you need to be a bit more specific with your questions. For example, "...the conditions can be 2’-4’s coming out of the direction you are normally headed. From a ride standpoint at the helm, how would you rate the ride? ...". 2'-4'ers is pretty much most of the case on a decent day in open water with somewhere around 10-15kts wind, generating the surface chop. The key part is the seas direction. Are we talking about 2-4'ers right on the nose or the following seas, or taking them on the beam? 2-4'ers at the stern or the sides, I'll take it any day for the whole day and it'll be a nice and comfortable ride. On the nose, it's a totally different ride and you'll need to slow her down to about 17-19kts and feel the best speed for the conditions.

As for the rating, you'll need to elaborate. At the end of the day it all comes down how you and your crew feels it. So, you'll just have to take a ride on one of the prospective vessels you're looking to buy.

Performance - as you may know, GPH and MPG are two different stats representing totally different data. GPH can be found easily by searching specific engine models fuel burn table. There are plenty of info even here on CSR. Here's an example: http://www.clubsearay.com/index.php?threads/cummins-6cta83m-450-fuel-burn-rate.8627/

Here's the table for 450C

Visibility aft vs. FWD, well....that's the trade of by comparing different models. Since I'm looking FWD 99% of the time, I'd like to have minimum or no obstruction. For this criteria, our bridge configuration is great. Now backing into a slip, that's your trade off. This is where any bridge boat with FWD helm will be somewhat challenging. Having the helm controls on a side (e.g. 450DB) makes a huge difference when you can look out to that side, providing it's the same side the dock is. Anyway, after several dockings, it becomes a second nature and you master it. Your viz on our model is about 2'x2' looking down the stairs. However, that "problem" just goes away with practice.

Having a dinghy on the lift actually helps to determine your distance to the dock at the stern.

 

[Bruce SEA 993]

We had a 380 previously...it was very bumpy in 2 and 3 foot (I think that is the size, bigger than most wake by about 1/3) waves. It bumped along like a cork. The 44 DB seems to cut through and the ride is much better. Catching wake from the side gets some rocking but we just turn and take them at 45 deg and the boat is not much affected.

As far as fuel consumption, I think the 44 DB drinks about at the same rate as the 380 but diesel is 3/4 the cost of gas. We did not have fuel low gauges on the 380...

So...we are much happier with our 44!