They are the same. The SR Systems Monitor does not interface or monitor the engines for the boats with computer-controlled engines. The Owner's manual shows a lot of engine related interfaces but they are not used.
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Yeah, I only mean the amount of time spent programming seems to be significant. No matter what the content.
Replacing the two systems monitor components with new... relatively simple job. Replacing the two systems monitor components with Maretron seems like it would be much more time consuming.
Ditto sending the MAN CLC 6.3 displays out for repair and then re-installing... or replacing with new... relatively simple job. Replacing with anything else seems like it would be much more time consuming.
-Chris
You are right about that Chris. However, as our boats age (and they are waning) we are imposed to update and replace the electronics. The fallout is we need to install the more modern data systems regardless. It is the installation of that NMEA 2000 data system we must have that is the time consuming aspect. To connect the Maretron components and program to that NMEA 2000 data backbone is the easy part....
That's kinda what I thought, from going through your other thread. Don't remember if you said there: how many hours did it take you to get your systems monitor replacement fully programmed?
And your new monitor system seems relatively simple, compared to the sheer quantity of all the data available on our MAN displays.
-Chris
And they have completely different missions. However, the Maretron can be as simple as only monitoring what the SR Systems Monitor did or as comprehensive as an anchor drag alarm or showing steering position and trim tab angle. Mine even shows all the liquid tank levels. A device you can grow into.....
Good point. If I didn't still have so many other issues to fix first, I'd probably go that route, too.
I mis-spoke in an earlier reply to @Robert Serviss. I only took a quick look at the manual, and thought it was telling me there are 6 service pages on our MAN displays. Not. Turns out there's one service page, with three columns, each of the three columns sub-divided into 4 data fields.
And some of the values displayed on the four main user pages are just repeated in different visuals on the four main pages.
That said, I still think it'd take a lot of work to program a generic display to cover all this:
BTW, the third main page as displayed in our manual has since been been updated to also include EGT after the turbo, too.
-Chris
Robert Serviss
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Great info I’ll share with Lauderdale compass
Well, I haven't gotten very far on this... need to stage for when I have some "labor" aboaard to help...
But in the meantime, I did learn the removable door frame is veneer-covered, and both screwed to the sidewalls and glued to the adjoining veneer-covered wood panels.
The door itself was easy enough to remove. The door frame screw were also easy enough to remove.
But then I had to use a heat gun to melt the adhesive holding the frame to the surround, along with a wide putty knife with a thin blade that I could insert in between parts and gently rock the blade down in between the pieces as the adhesive gradually melted in the heat.
Looks like there's a rubber mat attached to the bottom of the washer/dryer unit, and then that rubber mat is screwed to the "floor" of that compartment. I haven't tried to mess with that yet.
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Hi all, on of my friends has a 2006 58 Sedan Bridge which has an aftermarket fridge in it. Does anyone know the model number of the Sub Zero 4.9 CU FT drawer style refrigerator in these boats? He would like to find something that fits the space and he is having a tough time.
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Ours is a 700BR two-drawer fridge. Dimensions on the Sub-Zero website. The freezer is a single door 249FFI (includes the icemaker).
FWIW, much newer models were apparently delivered with Perlick units, presumably same sizes.
-Chris
FWIW, much newer models were apparently delivered with Perlick units, presumably same sizes.
-Chris
Replaced the two SubZero units (both door style) with these Vitrifrigo DW180A's; it wasn't an easy change but it was well worth it. Any drawer can be a refrigerator or a freezer with the press or a button.
Carver370
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Thank you! Just what I was looking for.
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They fit under the counter but the big difference is the heat exchange on the SubZero units was from the front kick-panels. The Vitrifrigo units exchange heat from behind and the sides. I opened up behind and below to allow ample air circulation. Also I laid a better deck to set them on and had to change the center counter support so the units could be close together to fit without trimming the cabinet perimeter. Also, these are DC low voltage refrigerators; they come with power supplies so they can be operated on dual voltage. I mounted the power supplies remotely for access. But I have to say that these are so much better than the SubZero units for storage and capacity and flexibility. I believe under the galley on the 58 is the MSR so he won't have the convenience I did with the laundry/storage room under the galley. Some pics for your friend -
Good recap.
There's probably room for a '57 Chevy outboard of our galley fridge and freeze, so the increased depth might not be much of an obstacle. Also, our units aren't right next to each other -- cabinetry drawers in between -- so maybe no "center work would be necessary.
The drawer flexibility does seem like it could be a useful advantage.... although we haven't had much of an issue since our typical fridge and freezer loads tend to work out in our units OK.
I think the Sub-Zero units cost an arm and a leg, and when we had some work done last fall on our freezer, the tech said units weren't easily available at the time... although that might be getting easier nowadays.
-Chris
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Sub Zero is super expensive, but they can be fixed easily.
I wish I knew that and your resource a year ago. The service tech said my evap coil had a hole in it and they were no longer available. He could try to make an aftermarket or other freezer's coil work but he would not stand behind it. He wanted to fit a new Wolf-SubZero drawer unit for just shy of $5500 plus the cost of the facing - no ice maker. Ack.
Drove me the path I took. In the end I think a better solution replacing both for less than $6500.
But then the SubZero's were new in 2006 - long in the tooth, what would fail next.
I'm kinda surprised to hear that. I've read Sub-Zero maintains parts for 25 years after a product's intro. Don't know if true, though...
Last September, our local tech did say it was slow to get some parts, and new products were especially difficult to source.
-Chris