Sodium and Potassium in oil

Discussion in 'Mechanic Recommendation Forum' started by Anna’s Marie, May 14, 2023.

  1. mrsrobinson

    mrsrobinson Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 9, 2006
    Virginia, USA
    2001 Sea Ray 380DA
    3126 purring CATs
    I've been using Blackstone for well over 20 years, for the cars as well. I don't think any of us are questioning who did your analysis, just explaining to you why we prefer Blackstone. Plus they're commentary is sometimes colorful and makes me laugh.
     
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  2. b_arrington

    b_arrington Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 21, 2007
    Setauket, NY
    Back Cove 37
    AB Ventus 9VL
    Cummins QSC 8.3 600
    Weird. I’m in NY, never heard of them.

    FYI, you may want to put your location in your profile. People use it to make suggestions based on it.
     
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  3. b_arrington

    b_arrington Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 21, 2007
    Setauket, NY
    Back Cove 37
    AB Ventus 9VL
    Cummins QSC 8.3 600
    This!
     
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  4. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    We used Motor Check for years on the boats (all Diesel). I think I have ten (times five) reports from them. Then when an engine was "making oil" and the report showed normal we became concerned. Found that analysis for fuel was a special request which we thought SOP. They had never been analyzing for fuel in the oil....
    I moved over to Blackstone since.
    Anyhow, remember these numbers are Parts Per Million so not indicative of any significant leakage unless this is fresh oil. They did say something to the effect that hours on the oil was a concern. If a couple of drops of antifreeze got into the dipstick or oil fill port during service then this would be what would show. The thing to do here is to pull another sample on the same oil then put ten or so hours on the engine and pull a third sample and compare the details. I'm sure the owner won't have any issues with this especially if the perspective buyer takes this on. I would use Motor Check for the continuing sampling so there is consistency in the testing methodology. As in all analysis this is a comparative science.
     
  5. douglee25

    douglee25 Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    Dallas, TX
    Cruisers 3575
    Twin 7.4l
    Also, check the intake bolts to make sure they're tight. They're known for coming slightly loose over time. It doesn't take much to loosen up to let a minute amount of coolant through.
     
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  6. douglee25

    douglee25 Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    Dallas, TX
    Cruisers 3575
    Twin 7.4l
    Another thing to keep this in perspective... the reading as mentioned is in 'parts per million'. I would think if it's a cracked head or something major, it would show much worse than what you're seeing. I can almost put money on it being gasket related.

    Do you know what oil brand/type was used? It doesn't say so in the report. Some oils will show higher levels of sodium than others. One of your engines shows sodium & potassium - that is more likely related to coolant. The other engine shows sodium only. That could possibly be related to oil only. The advice here has been good. I'd grab another sample on the current oil if it hasn't been changed, then change it and resample in 10 hours or so.

    Of note, I had elevated sodium levels in my boat before I purchased it. It doesn't have a closed cooling system, only raw water cooling. I found out the guy was an oil distributor for more industrial type oils and that's what he utilized in the engines. The oil results were definitely a little wacky.
     
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  7. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    I wouldn't change the oil and resample. You are looking for delta (changes) on common data basis; the existing oil is an important common data basis.
    Re-sample now to validate the data at hand. Samples can get contaminated.
    Sample again on the same oil with more hours on the engine to see if the values in question are changing.
     
  8. douglee25

    douglee25 Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    Dallas, TX
    Cruisers 3575
    Twin 7.4l
    Your method would work as well.
     

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