The future of EVs? Maybe not so bad?

I was thinking a few weeks ago that I never hear anything about our VP. Usually you hear that the VP visited here or there or did this or that. Nothing about her. That's probably a good thing but geeeez...talk about useless
Thank god that the administration finally realized that they can not have her actively representing them on any high profile issues. Although she was giving the GOP plenty of campaign content to use. Probably keeping her in the basement until after the midterms.
 
I was thinking a few weeks ago that I never hear anything about our VP. Usually you hear that the VP visited here or there or did this or that. Nothing about her. That's probably a good thing but geeeez...talk about useless
She's busy down at the border fixing the immigration issue, isn't she?? Or maybe she's at the Cape making sure that rocket goes off as originally scheduled, right?
 
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I’m sure the meme police will be along quickly…

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I have seen similar statistics in the past and never have taken the time to try to substantiate them but on the face of it one wonders that if the numbers are accurate each battery pack for a mid range car would have to cost way more than the reported retail prices one sees quoted. Even in this example of 25 lbs of Lithium to make up a battery pack, if it takes 900 gallons of diesel at, lets be generous and say at $3.50/gallon that is $3000 in fuel and that just gets the ore to the processing, Start adding in all the other costs of refining the remaining elements including labor, freight, battery R&D then actual battery manufacturing and then add on the profit margin and that will be way more than the 10 to 20 grand charged for batteries. Either the subsidies dwarf historic farm subsidies or these statistics on manufacturing costs are grossly exaggerated. I have no doubt that the electrification of transportation is far more damaging to the environment than continuation of using fossil fuels. The issue is that the tree huggers are only really worried about saving the forests in their neighborhood and don't actually give a lick about the forest or plains of the third world countries where the vast majority of the elements to make batteries come from. Start a lithium pit mine on Martha's Vinyard and see how popular the EV idea will be.
I would love to see an actual cost analysis at tesla of the cost of goods to produce one of the battery packs and compare with the widely published numbers in the post just to see if there is any truth to them. I would think that even if one cut the numbers in half it would be nowhere near the actual numbers.
 
I would love to see an actual cost analysis at tesla of the cost of goods to produce one of the battery packs and compare with the widely published numbers in the post just to see if there is any truth to them. I would think that even if one cut the numbers in half it would be nowhere near the actual numbers.

https://thedriven.io/2021/03/11/tesla-leads-on-ev-battery-costs-despite-soaring-lithium-prices/

$142/kwh. Battery in my car is 70kwh, so that pack cost $9,900. They must be using really cheap diesel to collect all of those parts. Or perhaps, maybe we shouldn't view memes as a source of truth....
 
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https://thedriven.io/2021/03/11/tesla-leads-on-ev-battery-costs-despite-soaring-lithium-prices/

$142/kwh. Battery in my car is 70kwh, so that pack cost $9,900. They must be using really cheap diesel to collect all of those parts. Or perhaps, maybe we shouldn't view memes as a source of truth....
That was my point, too much exaggeration out there and too many simpleton voters believe what they see and vote accordingly. When an issue is exaggerated at both ends of the spectrum nothing good comes from it. What if just the plain true facts were propagated instead?
 
. What if just the plain true facts were propagated instead?
How DARE YOU suggest that! :). Sadly, I don’t think many people can tell the difference between propaganda and facts.

i think it would be helpful that once a ‘news’ agency begins mixing facts with entertainment, they should lose their press badges. And I’m completely okay with that being applied equally for the left and right
 
How DARE YOU suggest that! :). Sadly, I don’t think many people can tell the difference between propaganda and facts.

i think it would be helpful that once a ‘news’ agency begins mixing facts with entertainment, they should lose their press badges. And I’m completely okay with that being applied equally for the left and right

So...what's the price of the battery pack. If you had to replace it, what would it cost?
 
So...what's the price of the battery pack. If you had to replace it, what would it cost?
According to the link to an article on "The Drive" posted earlier, it varies significantly by manufacturer. But they don't address Tesla because Tesla holds it's replacement parts costs as closely guarded secrets.
 
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All I know is my wife spends about $450-500 a month in gas for her SUV being the usual stay at home mom. Errands, dropping off and picking up from school, etc. I often wonder if we should look into an EV.
 
https://thedriven.io/2021/03/11/tesla-leads-on-ev-battery-costs-despite-soaring-lithium-prices/

$142/kwh. Battery in my car is 70kwh, so that pack cost $9,900. They must be using really cheap diesel to collect all of those parts. Or perhaps, maybe we shouldn't view memes as a source of truth....
It makes you wonder. I they're that "cheap" (the cost to the manufacturer), then why are the cars so expensive?? Yes, they have to put in a $10K battery, but they don't have to buy all the hundreds of lbs of aluminum, steel and iron to make an engine and a transmission and all the components of a fuel system. They don't have to do thousands of operations of machining thousands and thousands of parts to nearly micron clearances and assemble all those parts. SURELY that has to save nearly $10K on each car, so it should be "about a wash"!!!

So...what's the price of the battery pack. If you had to replace it, what would it cost?
And that's just their "actual cost", not a wholesale cost. You'd have to add quite a bit to get to wholesale, then add a ton more to get to retail. That same battery would likely be over $20k if you had to go buy one.
 
It makes you wonder. I they're that "cheap" (the cost to the manufacturer), then why are the cars so expensive?? Yes, they have to put in a $10K battery, but they don't have to buy all the hundreds of lbs of aluminum, steel and iron to make an engine and a transmission and all the components of a fuel system. They don't have to do thousands of operations of machining thousands and thousands of parts to nearly micron clearances and assemble all those parts. SURELY that has to save nearly $10K on each car, so it should be "about a wash"!!!


And that's just their "actual cost", not a wholesale cost. You'd have to add quite a bit to get to wholesale, then add a ton more to get to retail. That same battery would likely be over $20k if you had to go buy one.
Well, if you compare something like a bolt EV to a comparable ICE it is about 5k more. And even the model 3 SR ($40k) isn’t that much more than a comparable car. It’s the performance model that is $60k, and the number that gets thrown around in the memes. I don’t think there is a comparable 4 door sedan in that price range? But also, Tesla is selling these things as fast as they can make them, and they don’t advertise. Why would they lower the price for now?
 
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According to the link to an article on "The Drive" posted earlier, it varies significantly by manufacturer. But they don't address Tesla because Tesla holds it's replacement parts costs as closely guarded secrets.
But some here apparently know, they should have asked them…
 

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